drummindiver Posted September 21, 2017 Report Posted September 21, 2017 5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: This is hyperbole. I'm going to keep pointing out extreme hysteria on Islam, like it or not. Your post males no sense He was pointing out how ridiculous M103 is, not Islam. Not allowed dissent on opinion s on Islam now? 1
Michael Hardner Posted September 21, 2017 Report Posted September 21, 2017 59 minutes ago, bcsapper said: People reading them is the cause. People thinking they are a holy book, or the word of God, is the cause. That's too simple, sorry. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted September 21, 2017 Report Posted September 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Argus said: Did you read a different article than I did? It says no such thing. It points out that the violence against unbelievers is written into the foundational texts of the religion, and the example of the founder, Muhammed, is one of violence against unbelievers, and spreading the religion by force. What is her call to action ? Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted September 21, 2017 Report Posted September 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Argus said: Until you know what is the cause you can't rule out the books I can prove the book isn't the cause. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Grand Mal Posted September 21, 2017 Report Posted September 21, 2017 3 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: Sure...and you can also point to the terrorists that follow those Bible scriptures. Perhaps somewhere in Africa...they like AK-47s. Somewhere in Africa. Right. Okay, let's find the ground rules. I'm hearing you say that Jihadist terrorism is built into Islam, that all those radical fundamentalists and anti-American fanatics are just obeying the religious imperative that Mohammed laid on them. That sound right?
DogOnPorch Posted September 21, 2017 Report Posted September 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Grand Mal said: Somewhere in Africa. Right. Okay, let's find the ground rules. I'm hearing you say that Jihadist terrorism is built into Islam, that all those radical fundamentalists and anti-American fanatics are just obeying the religious imperative that Mohammed laid on them. That sound right? Islam's historical record re: military conquests are not up for revision now...are they? Two can play. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Grand Mal Posted September 21, 2017 Report Posted September 21, 2017 45 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: I can prove the book isn't the cause. What if the book can be cited to justify any and every atrocity people can commit on others? What if the book is used by dominant types to convince other, more easily led and easily influenced people, to do things they would otherwise never consider?
Grand Mal Posted September 21, 2017 Report Posted September 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Islam's historical record re: military conquests are not up for revision now...are they? Two can play. Uh, that's not helpful. I'm trying to make sure I understand your position. Do you agree with what I said?
DogOnPorch Posted September 21, 2017 Report Posted September 21, 2017 11 minutes ago, Grand Mal said: Uh, that's not helpful. I'm trying to make sure I understand your position. Do you agree with what I said? Rather, why don't you describe Islam for me as you see it. You worry about your position. I'll worry about mine which I've made plenty clear. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Grand Mal Posted September 21, 2017 Report Posted September 21, 2017 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Rather, why don't you describe Islam for me as you see it. You worry about your position. I'll worry about mine which I've made plenty clear. Well, isn't that Olympic-quality backpedaling. You're in here spouting about how Islam is intrinsically hateful and hate-worthy and now that I'm asking for something specific, something that can be discussed, a clear statement from you about what it is about Islam and Muslims that you hate and all I can get is, "You worry about your position, I'll worry about mine." Say it. C'mon, tell me what you think about Islam and Muslims. Say it.
DogOnPorch Posted September 21, 2017 Report Posted September 21, 2017 Just now, Grand Mal said: Well, isn't that Olympic-quality backpedaling. You're in here spouting about how Islam is intrinsically hateful and hate-worthy and now that I'm asking for something specific, something that can be discussed, a clear statement from you about what it is about Islam and Muslims that you hate and all I can get is, "You worry about your position, I'll worry about mine." Say it. C'mon, tell me what you think about Islam and Muslims. Say it. Confess! Witch! I've dealt with many. Just like Georges Guynemer with a big white stork on the side of my SPAD VII. You can be another mark on the rudder of life. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Grand Mal Posted September 21, 2017 Report Posted September 21, 2017 11 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Confess! Witch! I've dealt with many. Just like Georges Guynemer with a big white stork on the side of my SPAD VII. You can be another mark on the rudder of life. Disappointing...
Guest Posted September 21, 2017 Report Posted September 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: That's too simple, sorry. Why does it have to be complicated?
DogOnPorch Posted September 21, 2017 Report Posted September 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Grand Mal said: Disappointing... You are that. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Altai Posted September 21, 2017 Report Posted September 21, 2017 Ofcourse Quran is not a cause for violence. Now I will prove it any person with ordinary IQ levels would not ask such a question by the way. There are about 1 Million Muslims in Canada. If Quran was inciting violence and even if 1% of Muslims in Canada was following their religion, there would happen about 10.000 attacks daily in Canada. Yes, you are an idiot "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
blackbird Posted September 21, 2017 Report Posted September 21, 2017 (edited) 12 hours ago, dialamah said: No. Any violence carried out by Christian extremists based on Biblical scripture is: 1. Contrary to modern (Western) mainstream Christian belief and doesn't count; 2. Way in the past, so irrelevant; 3. From the Old Testament but because the New Testament supersedes anything in the OT (that makes Christianity look bad) it doesn't count. 4. Carried out by some nutcase who calls himself Christian but clearly is not. 5. And if all else fails "You don't understand the context of that scripture". 8 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: You really hit the nail on the head: the Quran claims to be the VERY word of God...not subject to revision in any form (there's a verse saying so). The Christian Bible in its various forms makes no such literal claim with perhaps the exception of the 10 Commandments...and...a stretch...Jesus's lines from the NT (in red). But the christian Bible indeed claims to be the very Word of God. Most christian churches will say it is. Personally I believe the KJV (1611) in the English language is the the only 100% accurate version in English. The other modern versions are corrupted for various reasons, but that is another subject Edited September 21, 2017 by blackbird 1
Michael Hardner Posted September 21, 2017 Report Posted September 21, 2017 6 hours ago, bcsapper said: Why does it have to be complicated? It doesn't have to be, but it is. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted September 21, 2017 Report Posted September 21, 2017 8 hours ago, Grand Mal said: 1. What if the book can be cited to justify any and every atrocity people can commit on others? 2. What if the book is used by dominant types to convince other, more easily led and easily influenced people, to do things they would otherwise never consider? 1. People can use books, or any reason they can come up with to justify atrocities. 2. Same. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Guest Posted September 21, 2017 Report Posted September 21, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: It doesn't have to be, but it is. Throughout history, people have been doing evil things because they thought it would please their God. It isn't that complicated. Edited September 21, 2017 by bcsapper Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction - Blaise Pascal
DogOnPorch Posted September 21, 2017 Report Posted September 21, 2017 3 hours ago, blackbird said: But the christian Bible indeed claims to be the very Word of God. Most christian churches will say it is. Personally I believe the KJV (1611) in the English language is the the only 100% accurate version in English. The other modern versions are corrupted for various reasons, but that is another subject Not verbatim...you might notice names on those chapters/books...Mathew etc... Humans...not gods. The Quran on the other-hand...mistakes and all...Allah did it. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted September 21, 2017 Report Posted September 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: It doesn't have to be, but it is. Mike is going to set us straight on why Islam behaves the way it does...shhhhhhh.... Mike....go ahead. We're waiting. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted September 21, 2017 Report Posted September 21, 2017 32 minutes ago, bcsapper said: Throughout history, people have been doing evil things because they thought it would please their God. It isn't that complicated. If there is no God, then he is just an excuse for people to do what they want to do anyway - gain territory/power. Certainly some of the followers may well believe they are working to God's will, but the leaders - nah, they are simply using religion to achieve their ends. ISIS uses selected teachings to persuade just enough people that theirs is a Godly mission, but they are after territory and power, with a side dash of punishing the West for their activities in the ME. The US likes to pretend they are a Godly nation, as they bomb the shit out of other countries to "save the oppressed", but really they are just after oil and power. Still many conservative Christians firmly believe the US is on the side of God and support military activities, regardless of who is hurt/killed/displaced.
DogOnPorch Posted September 21, 2017 Report Posted September 21, 2017 12 minutes ago, dialamah said: If there is no God, then he is just an excuse for people to do what they want to do anyway - gain territory/power. Certainly some of the followers may well believe they are working to God's will, but the leaders - nah, they are simply using religion to achieve their ends. ISIS uses selected teachings to persuade just enough people that theirs is a Godly mission, but they are after territory and power, with a side dash of punishing the West for their activities in the ME. The US likes to pretend they are a Godly nation, as they bomb the shit out of other countries to "save the oppressed", but really they are just after oil and power. Still many conservative Christians firmly believe the US is on the side of God and support military activities, regardless of who is hurt/killed/displaced. Would Mohammad approve of ISIS? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted September 21, 2017 Report Posted September 21, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, bcsapper said: Throughout history, people have been doing evil things because they thought it would please their God. It isn't that complicated. Allah was originally one of many deities in Arabian Mythology. They were polytheists...something Islam despises. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_pre-Islamic_Arabia Edited September 21, 2017 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted September 21, 2017 Report Posted September 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Would Mohammad approve of ISIS? No. Don't think it went unnoticed how quickly you ran when invited to actually discuss your views on Muslims.
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