Big Guy Posted November 16, 2015 Report Posted November 16, 2015 Why wouild an incident, especially one thast was expected, change government policy? An major attack somewhere in Europe has been expected for years. It happened. Hello! If one of Canada's jets was shot down would that then be cause to increase our involvement? To decrease our involvement? A country cannot change foreign policy based on incidents. It may choose to change a tactic but the strategy must remain the same. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
PIK Posted November 16, 2015 Report Posted November 16, 2015 And that is to stay on and fight this scourge. history is full of appeasers that have only make the problem worse. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
poochy Posted November 16, 2015 Report Posted November 16, 2015 http://www.macleans.ca/authors/michael-petrou/how-about-an-evidence-based-syria-policy/ Yes, how about it. Quote
Black Dog Posted November 16, 2015 Report Posted November 16, 2015 http://www.macleans.ca/authors/michael-petrou/how-about-an-evidence-based-syria-policy/ Yes, how about it. How about evidence that Canada's contribution is actually meaningful? Quote
Smallc Posted November 16, 2015 Report Posted November 16, 2015 How about evidence that Canada's contribution is actually meaningful? I think he should have stuck to the March pull out timeline instead of (apparently) accelerating it. I also think that he should keep the ISR and AAR planes there as well, as they aren't in a combat role. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 16, 2015 Report Posted November 16, 2015 Canadian Official: "Are you a terrorist?" Apparent Syrian: "No." Canadian Official: "Welcome to Canada." (That will be the extent of it.) Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
PIK Posted November 16, 2015 Report Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) A black eye for Canada. This kid is going to do whatever he feels like ,no matter what Canadians want, just like daddy. Even Brad Wall sent a letter to trudeau saying to slow down the refugee policy until we can be sure of security. Edited November 16, 2015 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Smallc Posted November 16, 2015 Report Posted November 16, 2015 There is speculation, on twitter, with info from back channels that Canada will be doing much more to combat ISIS - without F-18s. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 16, 2015 Report Posted November 16, 2015 That's great news for Blankets.com....wonder how many Canada will buy ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
msj Posted November 16, 2015 Report Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) I built a straw man? Cool. Didn't know I had that technology. You do realize, "you can't have it both ways" is not exclusive? It's inclusive. Huh? So my asking for a citation and taking issue with your interpretation of that somehow leads down the road to my supporting any kind of survey that would show ill of Canada so I could blame Harper for it. Strange logic there. Especially when you have not found any quote of mine to support it. But I will let you know what I do think and you can quote me all you want on this: I think any of these polls are bunk. Interesting bunk, but bunk nonetheless. The polls I really care about are elections. I was thrilled to see, in a poll that matters, that enough Canadians thought ill enough of Mr. Harper to turf him from the PMO. Nothing bunk about that poll. How'd you like thems sampling errors. Edited November 16, 2015 by msj Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
msj Posted November 16, 2015 Report Posted November 16, 2015 MSJ, that is his advisors saying that not trudeau. We have a government ran by advisors, not the leader. Yes, we are all so much better off when it is only our "Dear Leader" making the decisions while his cronies are off bribing Senators. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
drummindiver Posted November 16, 2015 Report Posted November 16, 2015 Huh? So my asking for a citation and taking issue with your interpretation of that somehow leads down the road to my supporting any kind of survey that would show ill of Canada so I could blame Harper for it. Strange logic there. Especially when you have not found any quote of mine to support it. But I will let you know what I do think and you can quote me all you want on this: I think any of these polls are bunk. Interesting bunk, but bunk nonetheless. The polls I really care about are elections. I was thrilled to see, in a poll that matters, that enough Canadians thought ill enough of Mr. Harper to turf him from the PMO. Nothing bunk about that poll. How'd you like thems sampling errors. Huh? Squared. Glad you are happy with Trudeau as PM. I personally am not, but here we are. Quote
msj Posted November 16, 2015 Report Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) Huh? Squared. Glad you are happy with Trudeau as PM. I personally am not, but here we are. I didn't vote Liberal and I have not seen enough from Trudeau to say if I am happy or will become happy. Is he better than Harper? Yes - so far so good. But that is a pretty low bar to clear by my books. Edited November 16, 2015 by msj Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
drummindiver Posted November 16, 2015 Report Posted November 16, 2015 Yes, we are all so much better off when it is only our "Dear Leader" making the decisions while his cronies are off bribing Senators. Yes, we were so much better when our leaders were giving their businesses $162 million worth of contracts. Or getting loans for his business while pm. Little things like that. So much better. Quote
drummindiver Posted November 16, 2015 Report Posted November 16, 2015 I didn't vote Liberal and I have not seen enough from Trudeau to say if I am happy or will become happy. Is he better than Harper? Yes - so far so good. But that is a pretty low bar to clear by my books. I disagree with pretty much everything he has done, including the niqab appeal. The whole selfie business is ridiculous during these serious talks. Quote
msj Posted November 17, 2015 Report Posted November 17, 2015 I disagree with pretty much everything he has done, including the niqab appeal. You mean stop wasting taxpayer money over something that has only involved 2 women so far? When the court has already ruled against the government and would likely continue to do so? That appeal? Well, at least no one can claim he has flipped flopped on this one. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
WestCoastRunner Posted November 17, 2015 Report Posted November 17, 2015 Why wouild an incident, especially one thast was expected, change government policy? An major attack somewhere in Europe has been expected for years. It happened. Hello! If one of Canada's jets was shot down would that then be cause to increase our involvement? To decrease our involvement? A country cannot change foreign policy based on incidents. It may choose to change a tactic but the strategy must remain the same. Strategy? There is no strategy. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Big Guy Posted November 17, 2015 Report Posted November 17, 2015 Strategy? There is no strategy. My understanding is that the Trudeau government has a strategy of removing any of our armed forces from a military Canadian offensive in this war. This starts with stopping Canadian military bombing missions in the Middle East and reserving the right to make decision of future involvement based on the newly elected Canadian government. This government did not send Canadian airplanes into this mission. This government ran a campaign on removing these airplanes from this mission. This government won the election and is now removing Canadian airplanes from this mission. Sounds like a good long term strategy to me. Can you suggest one that you would like to see? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
drummindiver Posted November 17, 2015 Report Posted November 17, 2015 You mean stop wasting taxpayer money over something that has only involved 2 women so far? When the court has already ruled against the government and would likely continue to do so? That appeal? Well, at least no one can claim he has flipped flopped on this one. Clearly, this is deeper than two women wanting to wear their niqab. The majority of Canadians disagree with this. As do I. Quote
msj Posted November 17, 2015 Report Posted November 17, 2015 Clearly, this is deeper than two women wanting to wear their niqab. The majority of Canadians disagree with this. As do I. There you go with meaningless polls again. It doesn't matter what the majority think. The guy in power was elected on the basis of ending the appeal and he won. Our system is set up to reduce abuse of minorities by the majority. Sure, disagree over it. But stop wasting taxpayer money on something so meaningless. Boo hoo hoo, I can't see her face after her identity has already been confirmed in the back room. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
August1991 Posted November 17, 2015 Author Report Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) How about evidence that Canada's contribution is actually meaningful?Uh, we are now sending warm blankets. That changes things. (As the kids say, "Not!") Edited November 17, 2015 by August1991 Quote
August1991 Posted November 17, 2015 Author Report Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) There is speculation, on twitter, with info from back channels that Canada will be doing much more to combat ISIS - without F-18s.Twitter? We're not only sending blankets, we're also sending selfies of (sorry for the term) "Dear Leader". Trudeau Jnr's mere image, apparently, has the power to defeat the enemy. (Uh, not!) Edited November 17, 2015 by August1991 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 17, 2015 Report Posted November 17, 2015 (As the kids say, "Not!") Uh... I think you're thinking of "Wayne's World", which "the kids" don't remember at all, since it was filmed 24 years ago ! (Maybe that's what your username means, since WW began filming in August 1991 !!! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105793/business ) Thread drift. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
drummindiver Posted November 17, 2015 Report Posted November 17, 2015 There you go with meaningless polls again. It doesn't matter what the majority think. The guy in power was elected on the basis of ending the appeal and he won. Our system is set up to reduce abuse of minorities by the majority. Sure, disagree over it. But stop wasting taxpayer money on something so meaningless. Boo hoo hoo, I can't see her face after her identity has already been confirmed in the back room. Doesn't matter what the majority thinks? Ok. If you say so. You are way off target if you think this is abuse of a minority. There are lots of abuses of minorities to go around, but this isn't one. And really. Boo hoo hoo? Quote
Black Dog Posted November 17, 2015 Report Posted November 17, 2015 Clearly, this is deeper than two women wanting to wear their niqab. The majority of Canadians disagree with this. As do I. To be honest, most Canadians are probably ignorant of the particulars of the case. Quote
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