ReeferMadness Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 The only reason ISIS continues to hold territory is because there are no allied forces on the ground. Put in one armored division and ISIS' control will reduced to a few isolated strongholds with heavy civilian populations to hide behind. Put in an infantry division and they'll lose even those.Oh, ground troops. Cuz they worked so well in Afghanistan and Iraq. Do people ever learn? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Oh, ground troops. Cuz they worked so well in Afghanistan and Iraq. Do people ever learn? They did work well....then they left. They still work well in South Korea. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Bonam Posted November 14, 2015 Author Report Posted November 14, 2015 When has this been unacceptable in the past ? "Civilians" are already dying. It's not necessarily unacceptable, depending on the situation. But it seems odd to me that people view changes to an immigration system as somehow more problematic of a response than air strikes and ground troops. Quote
BC_chick Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 No I don't know. I'm one of the ignorant Canadians who are taking a stand against terrorism. ISIS was threatening to attack France for months specifically over their military fighting in Syria and Iraq. If you like some here too then yeah military is the way to go. Agreed. This time it won't be some mentally ill crackhead. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
WestCoastRunner Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) ISIS was threatening to attack France for months specifically over their military fighting in Syria and Iraq. If you like some here too then yeah military is the way to go. Agreed. This time it won't be some mentally ill crackhead. I don't understand your response. And you didn't respond to my previous post. Edited November 14, 2015 by WestCoastRunner Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
-1=e^ipi Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 I'm done talking to you Someone's angry their beliefs are being challenged... Quote
-1=e^ipi Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Geez...even the Pope want to kick some ISIS ass now. You go Pope ! Really? He's not victim blaming the victims like with Charlie Hebdo? Quote
BC_chick Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 I don't understand your response. And you didn't respond to my previous post. What did you ask? I missed it. And I'm saying that ISIS has been threatening to attack France for a while because of their involvement in Syria and Iraq. Then this happens. How is Canada going to war going to keep us safe if fighting in Syria is what got France attacked? Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
WestCoastRunner Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 What did you ask? I missed it. And I'm saying that ISIS has been threatening to attack France for a while because of their involvement in Syria and Iraq. Then this happens. How is Canada going to war going to keep us safe if fighting in Syria is what got France attacked? So we should abandon France because they fought for our rights? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 ...How is Canada going to war going to keep us safe if fighting in Syria is what got France attacked? Collective defense for the safety of all is more important than isolated safety for Canada. At least that's what Canada has signed up for in the past (e.g. NATO, UN). Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Collective defense for the safety of all is more important than isolated safety for Canada. At least that's what Canada has signed up for in the past (e.g. NATO, UN). Exactly. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
BC_chick Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 So we should abandon France because they fought for our rights? What?? Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
xul Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Canada should do nothing, as winning federal elections is far more important than fighting terrorism. Just ignore it..... Nobody wants to join an unwinnable war, and the war is unwinnable because its leader doesn't have any viable plan. Quote
Wilber Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 What did you ask? I missed it. And I'm saying that ISIS has been threatening to attack France for a while because of their involvement in Syria and Iraq. Then this happens. How is Canada going to war going to keep us safe if fighting in Syria is what got France attacked? Maybe there comes a point where keeping us safe can't be the main consideration anymore. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
WestCoastRunner Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Collective defense for the safety of all is more important than isolated safety for Canada. At least that's what Canada has signed up for in the past (e.g. NATO, UN). This is what I believe when I say the U.S. has our back. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
BC_chick Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Collective defense for the safety of all is more important than isolated safety for Canada. At least that's what Canada has signed up for in the past (e.g. NATO, UN). Fighting is what has created the collective unsafeness. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
BC_chick Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Maybe there comes a point where keeping us safe can't be the main consideration anymore. Every time the anyone meddles in the Middle East things get worse. Then the roosters come home to roost and then the answer is somehow more meddling? That's insanity. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
kimmy Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Is it such a bad thing if al-Assad takes back Syria? I gather that he's not a particularly cool dude, but at least he wasn't attacking Paris or blowing up airplanes. Maybe we should just pick up the phone and tell Mr Putin "Ok, you win. You go in there, do your thing, prop up your puppet dictator." I personally don't see Canada's 6 crappy jets as being a significant factor in the fight against ISIS either way. If there's a NATO response then we need to honor our obligations, but let's not pretend that our crummy little contribution in Syria is anything more than symbolic. If Trudeau backtracks on a campaign promise, I hope the one he breaks is the promise to bring in 25000 Syrians in the next 2 months. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Fighting is what has created the collective unsafeness. No, their are underlying causes and ideologies in play that go beyond violent tactics. Not fighting ISIS is a one sided answer doomed to fail. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
-1=e^ipi Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Collective defense for the safety of all is more important than isolated safety for Canada. Yes, but unfortunately collective insanity has occurred when it comes to western policy regarding Syria. Russia is one of the few sane countries regarding Syria. The problem is that on the right you have religious apologists that think that religion can do no wrong and on the left you have cultural relativists that think criticizing Islamism is racist. So none of the major political parties in any western nation recognizes the problem of Islamism. So you get stupid policy responses such as not being cautious about the Islamists in Libya, funding Islamists in Syria, looking at the Syrian conflict as a proxy war against Russia, not cooperating with Russia, etc. And you have politicians from Obama, to Harper, to Hollande, to Cameron, to Trudeau, to Merkel proclaiming that none of the Islamic terrorism has anything to do with Wahhabi Islam and the Saudis are our BFFs so we need to keep supporting them despite the fact that they fund terrorists and commit genocide against gays and apostates. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) ....If Trudeau backtracks on a campaign promise, I hope the one he breaks is the promise to bring in 25000 Syrians in the next 2 months. Either way, I bet that former PM Harper wishes that Trudeau gets everything he has promised...and asked for. Edited November 14, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Every time the anyone meddles in the Middle East things get worse. Then the roosters come home to roost and then the answer is somehow more meddling? That's insanity. Maybe there is a point where keeping us safe can't be the main consideration anymore. Unless keeping safe becomes more important to you than anything else. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
-1=e^ipi Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Every time the anyone meddles in the Middle East things get worse. Then the roosters come home to roost and then the answer is somehow more meddling? That's insanity. A definition of insanity is to keep trying the same thing and expecting a different result. We've had decades of seeing what you describe occur, but the politicians are too stupid to see it. We funded Islamists in Afghanistan to fight to Soviets, and look we get 911. We funded Saddam to fight the Iranians (who we had to fight because we funded the Shah) and then we have to fight Saddam in multiple wars. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Yes, but unfortunately collective insanity has occurred when it comes to western policy regarding Syria. Russia is one of the few sane countries regarding Syria. Short term history...Syria was no angel in the region going back decades under the elder Assad. Russian sphere of influence....wars...assassinations...the works. They weren't just peacefully minding their own business. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Is it such a bad thing if al-Assad takes back Syria? I gather that he's not a particularly cool dude, but at least he wasn't attacking Paris or blowing up airplanes. Maybe we should just pick up the phone and tell Mr Putin "Ok, you win. You go in there, do your thing, prop up your puppet dictator." I personally don't see Canada's 6 crappy jets as being a significant factor in the fight against ISIS either way. If there's a NATO response then we need to honor our obligations, but let's not pretend that our crummy little contribution in Syria is anything more than symbolic. If Trudeau backtracks on a campaign promise, I hope the one he breaks is the promise to bring in 25000 Syrians in the next 2 months. -k Why would you hope he backtracks on the Syrians? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
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