BC_chick Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 We need to get the hell out, and let the US and UK deal with the giant mess they caused. Agreed. The only 'solution' is going back to 2002 and not invading Iraq and since that's not possible I think the creators of ISIS should deal with them. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
ReeferMadness Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Because if even 0.1% of the people we bring over end up being terrorists rather than refugees, that's enough to do in Canada what just happened in Paris. And you can bet organizations like Al-Qaeda and ISIS are doing whatever they can to get as many of their operatives as possible into various Western countries. And setting artificial time limits like "by the end of the year" for 25,000 people clearly means that there will not be sufficient time to properly investigate the background of each individual to minimize the chance of terrorists slipping through.That's it. Stoke that fear. Well done. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Agreed. The only 'solution' is going back to 2002 and not invading Iraq and since that's not possible I think the creators of ISIS should deal with them. Nope....by 2002, Iraq had been attacked many times. Canada was strangling Iraqis with UN sanctions. Operation Apollo had Canadian Forces in the region as well. The Saudis were asking Saddam to step down...peacefully ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) That's it. Stoke that fear. Well done. It's a completely rational concern. We shouldn't be doing what we're about to do. Even if we do manage to check all of them before hand, can we really know for certain that we haven't just let in a bunch of terrorists. Edited November 14, 2015 by Smallc Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 It's a completely rational concern. We shouldn't be doing what we're about to do. But PM Trudeau has a "mandate". 25,000 refugees....vote for me ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Clearly I'm being ganged up on. I get it. Clearly, you need to learn to take discussions less seriously. No one is ganging up on you, we're discussing a topic. Quote
Smallc Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 But PM Trudeau has a "mandate". 25,000 refugees....vote for me ! It was a nice thing to say (though I don't agree with any refugees). This really changes it. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 So we stand by and let them kill our families? You realize that zero Canadian civilians have ever been killed by Islamic terrorist attacks on Canadian soil right? You must also realize that ISIS didn't attack Canada in Ottawa/Quebec in 2014, only ISIS sympathizers. Most importantly, these sympathizers attacked Canadian military targets in Canada only AFTER Canada committed to attacking ISIS: the 2014 terror attacks in Ottawa/Quebec occurred 2 weeks after the Harper gov in Parliament voted to bomb ISIS targets in Iraq. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Moonlight Graham Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 The problem is we have Canadians travelling abroad. Why is it the the responsibility of the U.S. And the UK to protect us! The actions of the US and UK caused the creation of ISIS. They broke Iraq, they can fix it. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 The actions of the US and UK caused the creation of ISIS. They broke Iraq, they can fix it. Nope....the history of ISIS pre-dates any breakage of Iraq, including Canada's military role during the Gulf War. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Exactly. The trouble is when we sign on to things like NATO we also sign on to all the side alliances our allies have. It's like that old adage when you go to bed with someone, you also go to bed with everyone else they've been to bed with. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 The trouble is when we sign on to things like NATO we also sign on to all the side alliances our allies have. Canada did not just "sign on" to NATO...Canada is a charter, founding member of the alliance. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Moonlight Graham Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Oh man, why do these killers want to attack France, I just don't understand?! Why do they hate us?! http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/france-launches-air-strikes-isil-syria-150927091909306.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-deploys-aircraft-carrier-to-fight-isis-in-syria-and-iraq-a6722671.html Oh man, why did these killers attack Canada on Oct. 20/22 2014, I just don't understand?!?! Why do they hate us?! http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/08/canada-parliament-votes-join-anti-isis-strikes-iraq Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
-1=e^ipi Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Canada did not just "sign on" to NATO...Canada is a charter, founding member of the alliance. NATO was created due to the cold war. The cold war ended decades ago. Maybe it's time to leave NATO. I don't like being allied with Turkey as they bomb our Kurdish allies who are fighting ISIS. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 NATO was created due to the cold war. The cold war ended decades ago. Maybe it's time to leave NATO. I don't like being allied with Turkey as they bomb our Kurdish allies who are fighting ISIS. Several NATO missions after the end of the Cold War. Canada bombed Serbia ("illegally") for Kosovo human rights....ditto Libya. What's so special about Syria ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Maybe there is a point where keeping us safe can't be the main consideration anymore. Probably when you finally decide to stop putting yourself in harm's way to start with. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
-1=e^ipi Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Several NATO missions after the end of the Cold War. Canada bombed Serbia ("illegally") for Kosovo human rights....ditto Libya. What's so special about Syria ? Why does any country need to be in NATO for that? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Probably when you finally decide to stop putting yourself in harm's way to start with. Then why does Canada buy directed attack munitions for strike fighters ? Polar bears ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Moonlight Graham Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Honestly. This is disgusting. You want to start killing people in Syria and Iraq, and even before we even know who's responsible for the Paris attacks, and that is disgusting? Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Why does any country need to be in NATO for that? Thin veneer of legitimacy without a UN resolution. This is not your father's (Cold War) NATO. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 I say again...Canada's Liberals bombed Serbs illegally for "human rights"...there were no terror attacks against allies or Canadians. So what is so special about Syria ??? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
marcus Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) We can probably thank Edward Snowden You're against Snowden for showing proof that our governments are breaking the law and spying on us. A lot of your thoughts and ideas leads me to believe that you support fascism. Side note: How Edward Snowden Changed Everything Edited November 14, 2015 by marcus Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Moonlight Graham Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 This is all your fault Snowden!! Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
ReeferMadness Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 It's a completely rational concern. We shouldn't be doing what we're about to do. Even if we do manage to check all of them before hand, can we really know for certain that we haven't just let in a bunch of terrorists. Rational. I think that would be a great idea. When do we start? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Wilber Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Probably when you finally decide to stop putting yourself in harm's way to start with. So there is nothing worth putting yourself in harms way? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
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