WestCoastRunner Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 You seem to be ignoring my question, and my point. Young people don't join gangs in order to commit suicidal attacks on rock music attendees. The only 'disillusioned' people who seem to be drawn to murderous and genocidal murder are Muslims. Why is that? I don't suppose you have heard of: Charles Manson and his followers: Murdered up to 35 people, some which were never dismissed because of lack of evidence Jim Jones and his followers: 918 members died including parents who forced their children to drink the deadly koolaid David Koresh and his followers: 76 members died including children who weren't allowed to flee the burning building Order of the Solar Temple and it's followers: Several dozen members murdered or died by suicide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 I don't suppose you have heard of: Charles Manson and his followers: Murdered up to 35 people, some which were never dismissed because of lack of evidence Jim Jones and his followers: 918 members died including parents who forced their children to drink the deadly koolaid David Koresh and his followers: 76 members died including children who weren't allowed to flee the burning building Order of the Solar Temple and it's followers: Several dozen members murdered or died by suicide I find such comparisons often make the other's point. That you had to go back to the sixties and put together a list that covers decades, that really does not match the carnage done in the name of the Muslim religion say, just this year, does seem to indicate that there is something special about Islam these days. Usual disclaimers about normal, non violent Muslims apply, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 I find such comparisons often make the other's point. That you had to go back to the sixties and put together a list that covers decades, that really does not match the carnage done in the name of the Muslim religion say, just this year, does seem to indicate that there is something special about Islam these days. Usual disclaimers about normal, non violent Muslims apply, of course. The 60's? I think not. Order of the Solar Temple, David Koresh - 90's Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God, Uganda - Year 2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 The 60's? I think not. Order of the Solar Temple, David Koresh - 90's Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God, Uganda - Year 2000 Well, I said "go back to the sixties and put together a list that covers decades," Manson to present day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) I don't suppose you have heard of: Charles Manson and his followers: Murdered up to 35 people, some which were never dismissed because of lack of evidence Jim Jones and his followers: 918 members died including parents who forced their children to drink the deadly koolaid David Koresh and his followers: 76 members died including children who weren't allowed to flee the burning building Order of the Solar Temple and it's followers: Several dozen members murdered or died by suicide Seriously? You're going to compare a few people drawn to killer cults over the past fifty years to the 27,000 + terrorist attacks by 'disillusioned' Muslims since 9/11? http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks Edited November 30, 2015 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Well, I said "go back to the sixties and put together a list that covers decades," Manson to present day.The point is that disillusioned people fall into sick cults/organizations including ISIS, Solar Temple etc. It doesn't matter whether it was 40 years ago or 5 years ago, or yesterday. Disillusioned people will always exist and will always be vulnerable for indoctrination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Seriously? You're going to compare a few people drawn to killer cults over the past fifty years to the 25,000 + terrorist attacks by 'disillusioned' Muslims since 9/11?A few disillusioned people have killed many all in the name of their cult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 The point is that disillusioned people fall into sick cults/organizations including ISIS, Solar Temple etc. It doesn't matter whether it was 40 years ago or 5 years ago, or yesterday. Disillusioned people will always exist and will always be vulnerable for indoctrination. No disagreement. I'm merely talking about scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 No disagreement. I'm merely talking about scale. I'm merely addressing the point Argus was trying to make was that only Muslims are indoctrinated into murderous cults which is blatantly wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Seriously? You're going to compare a few people drawn to killer cults over the past fifty years to the 27,000 + terrorist attacks by 'disillusioned' Muslims since 9/11? http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks I was pointing out how wrong you were to insinuate only Muslims are indoctrinated into murderous cults. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 I was pointing out how wrong you were to insinuate only Muslims are indoctrinated into murderous cults, however you conveniently ignored your post that I was responding to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 I was pointing out how wrong you were to insinuate only Muslims are indoctrinated into murderous cults, however you conveniently ignored your post that I was responding to. I think the point eludes you. No one has ever suggested there aren't fanatical Christians, fanatical Buddhists, fanatical Hindus, etc. etc. No one has ever said that ONLY Muslims attack people or kill themselves out of religious mania or fanaticism. There are nuts in every race and messianic nuts in every religion. But with Muslims, it is not an occasional thing. It is not a case of every few years some small breakaway sect kills themselves or a few others. With Muslims it is an everyday occurrence all across the world. To blame all that on a few 'disillusioned' people is a spurious attempt to deny the obvious. Which is that this particular religion seems to lend itself to violence towards anyone who does not believe as they believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 I think the point eludes you. No one has ever suggested there aren't fanatical Christians, fanatical Buddhists, fanatical Hindus, etc. etc. No one has ever said that ONLY Muslims attack people or kill themselves out of religious mania or fanaticism. There are nuts in every race and messianic nuts in every religion. But with Muslims, it is not an occasional thing. It is not a case of every few years some small breakaway sect kills themselves or a few others. With Muslims it is an everyday occurrence all across the world. To blame all that on a few 'disillusioned' people is a spurious attempt to deny the obvious. Which is that this particular religion seems to lend itself to violence towards anyone who does not believe as they believe. Nice try but you are ignoring your earlier post that only Muslims get indoctrinated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Nice try but you are ignoring your earlier post that only Muslims get indoctrinated You can spin this anyway you want. I can see through you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) Researcher Lydia Wilson traveled to Kirkuk, Iraq, and interviewed imprisoned ISIS fighters on their motivations. "They are children of the occupation, many with missing fathers at crucial periods, filled with rage against America and their own government. ISIS is the first group since the crushed Al Qaeda to offer these humiliated and enraged young men a way to defend their dignity, family, and tribe." video Edited December 1, 2015 by Michael Hardner added video link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Go get'em France! French air force ‘kills 28 children in attack on Iraqi school’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Nice try but you are ignoring your earlier post that only Muslims get indoctrinated. What I said was The only 'disillusioned' people who seem to be drawn to murderous and genocidal murder are Muslims. Why is that? I don't believe the ones you listed were engaged in genocide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Researcher Lydia Wilson traveled to Kirkuk, Iraq, and interviewed imprisoned ISIS fighters on their motivations. "They are children of the occupation, many with missing fathers at crucial periods, filled with rage against America and their own government. ISIS is the first group since the crushed Al Qaeda to offer these humiliated and enraged young men a way to defend their dignity, family, and tribe." Awwwww! They're defending their dignity, family and tribe by slaughtering defenseless men, women and children, and raping young girls. How sweet. Makes me want to donate money to the cause of these poor, misunderstood, oppressed young men. After all, the price of sex slaves isn't what it used to be and they could use a little help. "Damn you, America! I must go and find some Yazidis, slaughter their men, and rape their daughters! That will teach you!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) Go get'em France! French air force ‘kills 28 children in attack on Iraqi school’ Some doubt as to the veracity of the reports, but I agree with you that it would have been awful had it happened. I hope the reports are not true. That was your point, right, it being awful? http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/despite-invalidation-rumours-french-airstrike-mosul-school-persist-1489451401 Edited December 1, 2015 by bcsapper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Researcher Lydia Wilson traveled to Kirkuk, Iraq, and interviewed imprisoned ISIS fighters on their motivations. "They are children of the occupation, many with missing fathers at crucial periods, filled with rage against America and their own government. ISIS is the first group since the crushed Al Qaeda to offer these humiliated and enraged young men a way to defend their dignity, family, and tribe." video Root causes = Blowback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Awwwww! They're defending their dignity, And attacking the indignities we visited on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Some doubt as to the veracity of the reports, but I agree with you that it would have been awful had it happened. I hope the reports are not true. That was your point, right, it being awful? http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/despite-invalidation-rumours-french-airstrike-mosul-school-persist-1489451401 Of course it's awful. The point here is that we (by we, I mean the West) terrorize people in our own way. Unfortunately, some of us try to 'splain the killing of innocent people away. At the end of the day, the terrorists in France, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq kill and terrorize innocent people, just like the airplanes and drones kill and terrorize innocent people. How many of the siblings of the children killed in the bombing or the hundreds of other incidents do you think will seek revenge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Root causes = Blowback This is something that is lost on most drum pounders here. Lack of foresight, while the historic blinders are on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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