Hudson Jones Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Tell me. What can we learn? We don't need to be cowboys. Huffing and puffing and feeling like victims who have been wronged. We need to examine why there is hostility. We are not the good guys. There are no good guys. First thing we need to accept is that our actions in the Middle East have allowed the ISIS infestation to become a reality. We need to not be involved in these adventures in the Middle East and Africa. If ISIS becomes a problem, the neighbouring countries will get involved. We also need to stop dealing with Saudi Arabia and sanction them for bankrolling ISIS, instead of selling weapons to them. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Guest Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 If ISIS becomes a problem, the neighbouring countries will get involved. We also need to stop dealing with Saudi Arabia and sanction them for bankrolling ISIS, instead of selling weapons to them. Yes, lets wait for ISIS to become a problem... Quote
eyeball Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Try me. No. You've heard it all before and it would be a complete waste of time. Especially now when you're so pissed off - you'd only be more pissed off except at me. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WestCoastRunner Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 ISIS has been driven out of Sinjar. That wouldn't have happened without the help of the U.S. These are the kind of strategies Canada should be helping out with. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) We don't need to be cowboys. Huffing and puffing and feeling like victims who have been wronged. We need to examine why there is hostility. We are not the good guys. There are no good guys. Well then do something else....wave that magic "honest broker" wand and whip some peacekeeping miracle on them. Sing some songs about multiculturalism including a new Caliphate. Bake some legalized marijuana brownies...something ! Edited November 14, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 No. You've heard it all before and it would be a complete waste of time. Especially now when you're so pissed off - you'd only be more pissed off except at me. I would never be pissed off at you ! ? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Guest Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Has there been an official claim of responsibility yet? I know we're all mad at ISIS, (well, some of us are) but I still haven't heard anything official. Quote
GostHacked Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Something is different with this attack. I don't know how else to express that at this time. Quote
Hudson Jones Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Yes, lets wait for ISIS to become a problem... Problem for the neighbouring countries, like Iran and Russia and the Arab countries. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
-TSS- Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 That French president Hollande must break all the world records of being the most chickenshit president imaginable. That was shown already in January during the Charlie Hebdo-attacks but especially now; he has probably soiled himself. Quote
-1=e^ipi Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 If ISIS can be wiped out in Syria that will cause a huge dent in their recruitment. Not if it just causes them to invoke passages in the Quran that say it is every Muslim's duty to defend Muslim lands from Infidels to get more recruits. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Yes, lets wait for ISIS to become a problem... If ISIS becomes a problem? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Big Guy Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 ISIS creates a professional video, well choreographed and very explicit. It shows about 14 folks in red clothes, told to kneel and then their throats are slit and some of the heads fall off. Outrage! Western condemnation! More bombing runs!! More "collateral action". More potential bombers and martyrs. Folks from all of the world stream into Iraq to join ISIS. Now more violence, more outrage, more calling for action. Send in more drones (whose record is killing 90% more people than who are targeted) and create more outraged locals and future martyrs. And even here in Canada and on this board we have the bright lights who want to do the same thing, the same way that caused this fiasco to escalate to this point. OKAY - Bomb them all and let God sort out the good ones! We need Donald Trump running our foreign policy - just ask those bright lights on this board. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Hudson Jones Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 ISIS has been driven out of Sinjar. That wouldn't have happened without the help of the U.S. These are the kind of strategies Canada should be helping out with. How many times was Taliban driven out of cities and towns only to comeback and re-take it? Why are you looking at the situation without looking at the history of these types of conflicts? Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
capricorn Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Seems like people want to bomb somebody - I'm just trying to understand who and why. Think about it. How long do we need to take precautions to protect ourselves in order not to be maimed or killed by extremists and terrorists. Is there not a point where we have to say "enough is enough" and take steps to retaliate? Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
WestCoastRunner Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Has there been an official claim of responsibility yet? I know we're all mad at ISIS, (well, some of us are) but I still haven't heard anything official. No nothing yet. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
eyeball Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Bomb the United States... I think a BDS strategy would provide a bigger bang for the buck myself. ...that's the root cause according to some here, right ? Yup...a little more someday's than less, but yup. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WestCoastRunner Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 How many times was Taliban driven out of cities and towns only to comeback and re-take it? Why are you looking at the situation without looking at the history of these types of conflicts? Probably because I'm too busy looking at innocent civilians flying home from vacation being blown out of the with their families, concert goers massacred with AK-47's, tourists out enjoying the nightlife being gunned down. You know, that sort of thing that western countries need to step up and help fight. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
-1=e^ipi Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 We also need to stop dealing with Saudi Arabia and sanction them for bankrolling ISIS, instead of selling weapons to them. Yep. And also we need to sanction them for genocide. I wish Gilles Duceppe won the election... He was the only one intelligent enough to realize that the Saudis were the problem. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 I think a BDS strategy would provide a bigger bang for the buck myself. Plus you don't have enough bombs or aircraft anyway. You would need to buy more from the same place you want to BDS....logical fail. Like the Taliban, ISIS knows it can make propaganda gains by isolating the United States (or France). Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
-1=e^ipi Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 That wouldn't have happened without the help of the U.S. Or Russia... Quote
Guest Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Problem for the neighbouring countries, like Iran and Russia and the Arab countries. I would suggest they already are, and those countries are toeing a certain line right now. Russia, especially, must feel the need to send a lot more resources to the battle, including ground troops. Turkey is a member of NATO, so it will never have to go it alone. Iran would probably be the best at beating ISIS. I can't see any prisoners being taken in that scrap. Quote
Wilber Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 How do you mean exactly? It seems to me if we pulled out of the battles against ISIS, to be specific, we would just be consigning friends of ours to a horrible death. And then what? You would have them gain strength while we put our heads in the sand? No, what's done is done. Blame who you want, but at least look at the current situation realistically. I think instead of considering pulling out we should increase our efforts. But then, I don't have to go, so I guess I don't get an opinion on that. Kind of my feeling as well but if we are going to do it, we need to sit down and figure out the best ways to get at these people and then get serious about it. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
WestCoastRunner Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Kind of my feeling as well but if we are going to do it, we need to sit down and figure out the best ways to get at these people and then get serious about it. Exactly. Obama was criticized for only going in with 50 and not much of a strategy. I think the rules of engagement should dramatically change. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
ReeferMadness Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Think about it. How long do we need to take precautions to protect ourselves in order not to be maimed or killed by extremists and terrorists. Is there not a point where we have to say "enough is enough" and take steps to retaliate? Great. And who do you propose to retaliate against? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
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