Argus Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 You say you don't like them, and then defend them. No, I say that the use of omnibus bills did not justify the statement that Canada was not a democratic country under the evil Tories. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
CITIZEN_2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) So you're saying France isn't a democracy? France is a perceived democracy and yes it is democracy for white christian French people but not for north African immigrants even the second generation who are born in France. That is likely why we see so much racial tensions and social issues in France. We don't wish to see Canada adopting that kind of TWO-TIERED citizenship status in which those citizens of Caucasian race enjoying the democracy and its benefits and those immigrants likely with color skin or a religion other than Christianity deprived from democracy. We don't wish racial tensions and social issues in this country where mobs of various political spectrum clash or attack each other in public. Where children of mixed race and immigrants are looked down where immigrants are deprived from equal rights and equal access to education and employment. A society that gives more rights to born or white citizens than immigrants or non-Christian immigrants in my book is a perceived democracy and under the Harper regime if God forbid he was ever going to be re-elected we would have that kind of democracy in Canada too but the nightmare is over and we now have our country back from those extremists who were bond to destroy the Canada we have grown to know based on racial harmony, respect of human rights and equality achieved as a results of hard work by current Canada's prime minister's father and many others, Mr. Pier Eliot Trudeau, God bless his soul... Canada in 4 years will be back to Canada that Pier Eliot Trudeau fought so hard to be (God bless his soul). Where people are judged based on the size of their hearts and minds rather than the size of their wallets or race or religion or skin color. ps - some people appear to define democracy as an elected government by popular vote. Or democracy simply is when nation votes to elect a government!!!!. If that is the case then Nazi Germany was a democracy too as Hitler came to power by popular vote!!!!. He (Hitler) used some tactics like fear and divisions to build support and get elected (against Jews at that time). Sounds familiar??? Edited October 26, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015
SpankyMcFarland Posted November 15, 2015 Report Posted November 15, 2015 No, I say that the use of omnibus bills did not justify the statement that Canada was not a democratic country under the evil Tories. But they are best avoided.
cannuck Posted November 16, 2015 Report Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) In four years, Canada will look pretty much like it does now: a totally confused and ignorant population caught between some unclear idea of what Canada is and being a poor cousin Yankee. The only difference is that it will have HELL of a lot more debt after this experiment in deeking left. This is not so much a rural/urban issue, as one of how an economy works. The US and Europe have long ago abandoned the economic system that built their economies (capitalism) and fully embraced Casino Capitalism, just as they did in the '20s. The difference is, the population is so ignorant of fundamentals that nobody even noticed - even with a healthy crash in '08-'09. In a genuinely capitalist system, those who screwed up royally playing financial games would be appropriately punished by losing everything. Instead, they were rewarded with TRILLION$$$$ of handouts, bailouts, free passes, etc. Until we as a population understand the difference between creating wealth and merely re-distributing wealth, we are doomed to simply repeat the idiocy of the last decade or so, just as we repeated then what we should have learned from the '20s and '30s. How it DOES take on a rural/urban identity is that cities are magnets for dependent population and activities. That is where the institutions that re-distribute wealth concentrate, so that is where the free ride crowd will live. We have poverty in Toronto because it is one of the most expensive cities in the world, and people who will never create a penny of wealth in their life go there to claim their rewards. In what sanely organized society, for instance, would you send your welfare masses to the most expensive place to be sustained by the taxpayer???? I can understand why the drug dealers and gangs are there: they are logical extensions of economic behaviour - there are more customers in a city than in the country and they can come to you rather than you having to go to them. The REALLY BIG drain on the economy, though, are the financial institutions - banks, finance companies, private equity funds, insurance funds, pension funds, etc. They are located in big cities. Because we are totally ignorant as a nation and government as to how to run an economy (or country), we grant them the special privilege to take a free ride on our tax dollar and on the vast majority of our earned and spent dollars. Since we have studied "rule-by-special-interest" under the USA, we now simply provide unfettered access to redistribute wealth through almost all financial activities, without the bother of ever having to create any. Now, THAT is why rural people are up the creek. The world of investment SHOULD be provided as a service to put capital in the hands of those who can add value to a resource or deliver a service needed to do so. Try that if you are a rural business. Ain't that easy. Why? Because in the real world, a business is lucky to be able to return 10% dividends on earnings from actually creating wealth, whereas in the fantasy world of Casino Capitalism, one can simply inflate the "value" of a real asset (be it an equity, real estate or derivative) to whatever multiple feels good and cash it in. How are you going to get access to financial resources to work them for a single digit percentage return when you can, for instance, value Microsh...er...MicroSOFT at 1000x its book (real) value???? That is 10,000x better than you can do on the very best of productive investment. And, it is all squarely on our shoulders. We, as a population, have allowed government to become nothing but a distributor of special privilege to those who can spend all of their time to get their attention. We. as a voting population, have happily given a bunch of total idiots the right to beggar our grandchildren with staggering debt - mostly so we expect through some miracle that we will get OUR share of the free ride in one form or another. We, as a voting population, have handed the keys to the economy to financial interests because we are too lazy to bother to learn what the hell it is they actually DO. We, as a voting public have kissed away our health and our children's health by never bothering to learn how to eat (and how it comes to be - yet another rural/urban characteristic). The list just goes on, and on, and on. As inept as Harper government was, and as stunningly ignorant as the Trudeau government seems to be, we elected them so we are stuck with the results. You might have noticed that we just had a 3 month long election campaign, and not a single important issue was discussed. Edited November 16, 2015 by cannuck
PIK Posted November 17, 2015 Report Posted November 17, 2015 So far I am right, not only is he pulling out of the ISIS fight, he is not even going to fulfill our contract to stay until march. And of course nobody paid one iota to him in Paris except for selfie collectors. And that fact he wont even slow down the refugee thingy till it gets sorted out. Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Smallc Posted November 17, 2015 Report Posted November 17, 2015 So far I am right, not only is he pulling out of the ISIS fight While I don't necessarily agree with pulling out our CF-18s, that's not the same thing as pulling out of the fight.
Smallc Posted November 17, 2015 Report Posted November 17, 2015 While I don't necessarily agree with pulling out our CF-18s, that's not the same thing as pulling out of the fight. And this, before I read the news: Trudeau didn't offer specific numbers but he has cited the Forces Afghanistan training mission, to which the Harper government initially committed almost 1,000 troops. http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-will-increase-ground-troops-in-iraq-trudeau-1.2661947 Also, note that time and again, they refer to the F-18s, and not the ISR planes currently in theatre.
PIK Posted November 17, 2015 Report Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) Pulling out the planes and then say I send over a few more terainers ,is pulling out of the fight. Everybody needs to on board. If Russia china and the rest came out swinging ISIS is dead in the water. We need putin to take the lead, because Obama and trudeau have no idea what they are doing. Edited November 17, 2015 by PIK Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Smallc Posted November 17, 2015 Report Posted November 17, 2015 Pulling out the planes and then say I send over a few more terainers Like 20 times as many.
Big Guy Posted November 17, 2015 Report Posted November 17, 2015 Pulling out the planes and then say I send over a few more terainers ,is pulling out of the fight. Everybody needs to on board. If Russia china and the rest came out swinging ISIS is dead in the water. We need putin to take the lead, because Obama and trudeau have no idea what they are doing. Just who do you think is ISIS? How do you think ISIS fighters and/or supporters be identified? How will we know when ISIS has been defeated? - Who is going to surrender? Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
eyeball Posted November 17, 2015 Report Posted November 17, 2015 So far I am right, not only is he pulling out of the ISIS fight, he is not even going to fulfill our contract to stay until march. And of course nobody paid one iota to him in Paris except for selfie collectors. And that fact he wont even slow down the refugee thingy till it gets sorted out. He's not pulling out he's putting more troops in. He's a lite-weight alright - and apparently as useless at standing up against what's wrong as Obama. Trudeau should be aligning Canada with Anonymous. They've got a far better handle on how to approach this war and who it should be waged against. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WestCoastRunner Posted November 17, 2015 Report Posted November 17, 2015 Trudeau should be aligning Canada with Anonymous. They've got a far better handle on how to approach this war and who it should be waged against. Anonymous in their zealous endeavours has in the past incorrectly identified individuals as being terrorists. Let's hope they follow a secure set of protocols when identifying terrorists and share that information with the appropriate authorities. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
eyeball Posted November 17, 2015 Report Posted November 17, 2015 Anonymous in their zealous endeavours has in the past incorrectly identified individuals as being terrorists. Let's hope they follow a secure set of protocols when identifying terrorists and share that information with the appropriate authorities. In a world where freedom loving democracies regard bloodthirsty dictators as allies I'm willing to cut Anonymous some slack. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WestCoastRunner Posted November 17, 2015 Report Posted November 17, 2015 In a world where freedom loving democracies regard bloodthirsty dictators as allies I'm willing to cut Anonymous some slack. That's true. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 17, 2015 Report Posted November 17, 2015 The only thing Trudeau will be aligning with is more selfies. He's trying to out rock star Obama from 2008. Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted November 18, 2015 Report Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) True..he seems content to follow in Obama's footsteps. "It's all down hill from here" Edited November 18, 2015 by eyeball A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
notca Posted November 18, 2015 Report Posted November 18, 2015 I think in the future Canada will look much like overpopulated countries like Pakistan and India. There will be wall-to-wall housing, all society will be urbanized, agriculture will be non-existent, the uninhabited countryside, what is left of it, will be overgrown and littered with trash and the white race will have become the greatest minority. I think there will be civil unrest and gang violence brought about by prejudices brought into the country by the many different races and cultures.
WestCoastRunner Posted November 18, 2015 Report Posted November 18, 2015 I think in the future Canada will look much like overpopulated countries like Pakistan and India. There will be wall-to-wall housing, all society will be urbanized, agriculture will be non-existent, the uninhabited countryside, what is left of it, will be overgrown and littered with trash and the white race will have become the greatest minority. I think there will be civil unrest and gang violence brought about by prejudices brought into the country by the many different races and cultures. Oh, for crying out loud! I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
notca Posted November 18, 2015 Report Posted November 18, 2015 Oh, for crying out loud! Take a little trip to the Greater Toronto area and see what it looks like already.
Smallc Posted November 18, 2015 Report Posted November 18, 2015 The only thing Trudeau will be aligning with is more selfies. He's trying to out rock star Obama from 2008. And just a simple boring Canadian at that.
WestCoastRunner Posted November 18, 2015 Report Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) Take a little trip to the Greater Toronto area and see what it looks like already. Are you terrified to live there? If so, move. Plenty of white small town communities who would welcome you. Edited November 18, 2015 by WestCoastRunner I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Hal 9000 Posted November 18, 2015 Report Posted November 18, 2015 Our 4-6 year forecast. In 4 years we'll look much the same as England and France do know. Our major centers will have complete no-go zones (and yes, they do have them to varying degrees in both those countries) with Islam taking hold. In four years, we'll have witnessed a terror attack in Toronto or Montreal, maybe Vancouver. We'll see court challenges to allow Sharia law or else be forced to restructure laws to distance ourselves from whatever Christianity remains. Our middle class will deteriorate rapidly as we head into the highest tax burden Canada has ever seen. We will be so hamstrung by our own environmental agendas that what work we find, will be somewhat government related. Single parents will become an epidemic as fathers lose employment and mothers know they can be better off financially without men. The Bank of Canada lending rates will double as they try to recoup their losses from those who renege on small debt, and others who stop buying into the real estate market. Low income housing or projects will become major government investments , as its realized that it's cheaper than paying for rent to a private land owner. Gas will be $2.00 per litre, (this might happen within a year). Our allies have turned their back on us because we've reneged on our foreign policy commitments. USA, wether it be Hilary or the Donald, will start to mistrust our integrity and will make it more challenging to travel and move trade between countries, this along with our heavy taxes will discourage US companies was well as travellers from coming to Canada. Other foreign investors see our instability and use it against us in negotiations. Marijuana will be legalized, and with that thousands of dispensaries. These will get widdled down to just a few head shops within a year. Poor planning and regulations along with unsavoury vendors will prove that the generated tax revenue is a pittance of what was expected. Soon, Marijuana will be reduced to just a small counter in the average smoke/Vape/head shop as most will still get it elsewhere. The problems will out way any benefits More and more money will be poured into our education and medical system, only to see them both become worse than they are now. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
WestCoastRunner Posted November 18, 2015 Report Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) I won't quote Hal's post. It's too long and he provides nothing to support his thoughts. Hal, why don't you provide substance with your posts. How can anyone seriously debate them? I guess I should backtrack a bit. We are looking into the future. My apologies. Edited November 18, 2015 by WestCoastRunner I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Hal 9000 Posted November 18, 2015 Report Posted November 18, 2015 I won't quote Hal's post. It's too long and he provides nothing to support his thoughts. Hal, why don't you provide substance with your posts. How can anyone seriously debate them? I guess I should backtrack a bit. We are looking into the future. My apologies. Well, history is my guide. Soon, we will have higher taxes to pay for Trudeaus promises. Higher taxes always come in higher gas prices and higher taxes to the middle class. Trudeaus middle class that he makes promises to, are not what we consider middle class. He considers us upper class. We will have a higher percentage of welfare people than ever before - that's a fact. Every refugee (and who knows how many that will be) will be 100% unemployable. We will have a lower percentage of working people than ever before to pay in yo system. Environmental policies and tax policies will keep foreign money away - hence less jobs. Cost of fuel going up will have direct effect on trucking- prices alway start with cost of transporting goods. Smaller businesses will get hit hardest by this. Minimum wage increase will further strain these businesses. Causing more job loss. Our societal problems will arise from our financial problems- just like France and many other European countries. History can predict the chain of events. As for foreign policy, if we're not with our allies, were against them. Seems harsh, and maybe some hyperbole there, but we will be marginalized by the western countries who do know that it's time to act against our enemies - and yes, we do have enemies. I know WCR , you want a cite of some sort, but it's just my prediction based on a question posed. I know how to connect dots quite well. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted November 18, 2015 Report Posted November 18, 2015 Well, history is my guide. Soon, we will have higher taxes to pay for Trudeaus promises. Higher taxes always come in higher gas prices and higher taxes to the middle class. Trudeaus middle class that he makes promises to, are not what we consider middle class. He considers us upper class. We will have a higher percentage of welfare people than ever before - that's a fact. Every refugee (and who knows how many that will be) will be 100% unemployable. We will have a lower percentage of working people than ever before to pay in yo system. Environmental policies and tax policies will keep foreign money away - hence less jobs. Cost of fuel going up will have direct effect on trucking- prices alway start with cost of transporting goods. Smaller businesses will get hit hardest by this. Minimum wage increase will further strain these businesses. Causing more job loss. Our societal problems will arise from our financial problems- just like France and many other European countries. History can predict the chain of events. As for foreign policy, if we're not with our allies, were against them. Seems harsh, and maybe some hyperbole there, but we will be marginalized by the western countries who do know that it's time to act against our enemies - and yes, we do have enemies. I know WCR , you want a cite of some sort, but it's just my prediction based on a question posed. I know how to connect dots quite well. You certainly seem to know how to make huge, unfounded assumptions, that is quite obvious.
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