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What you are posting seems to me like 'hate' rhetoric! I think your mind is closed to any opposition to your way of thinking. Whereas those who oppose the immigration of hordes of Muslims are not opposed to other races, religions and cultures. There are reasons for anti-Muslim sentiments that you just will not consider even though it is based on historical fact. It might surprise you if you knew that other immigrants to Canada also have serious misgivings about Muslims. It is not just a small group of haters in Canada. Don't you wonder why there is no flood of refugees to Russia, China, India, Japan, South America, Australia, New , Zealand, Taiwan, Korea, Mexico, to name a few? Or why the more civilized Islamic countries like Jordan are not taking them in by the millions? Are all of those countries also racist? I have listened carefully to the glowing hopes that people are talking about, the boost to the economy, doing the right thing, etc., none of which seem to be anything other than blind justification. There are no facts to back up such claims. Other races, cultures, religions have been welcomed into Canada and rightly so. They have assimilated and are largely a boon to our society. So don't try to tell me that Muslims are singled out for opposition for no good reason. There are several 'mixed culture' marriages within my own family so I get first hand feed back from these culturally diverse families regarding their impression of Muslims. So don't try to tell me I am making up stories either. We don't hear from a lot of people who are opposed to Muslim immigration because society does not welcome their opinions so they keep quiet because they don't want to be attacked by opinionated people like you. I am not afraid of attacks like that. I just consider where they are coming from.

Many points you make are not relevant to the Muslim situation. You seem to be saying that because Christians were savages centuries ago it is alright for Muslims to be savages now. You say that there are Christians in our society who oppose gay marriage. Yes but they aren't killing them, are they? Radicals of religions other than Muslims complain and oppose but they do not go outside the law over it. The shooter in Colorado is a crazy person. We have crazy persons here who do these things, not a whole nation of them. You talk about rapes committed here in this country. Again, it is against the law and punishable when the perpetrator is caught. In Muslim culture it is fine to rape. Women are not worthy of respect or protection. People are not singling Muslims out from every other religion. They are simply noting the Muslim culture that is not compatible with our society and which they refuse to abandon in accordance with our laws. It is more likely this refusal to compromise and assimilate that makes things like the holocaust and genocide possible. I do not hate Muslims. If they want to be Muslims that is their business - in their own countries. I just don't see how they will be good for Canada as long as they continue to bring their religion and their culture here. I love our laws and our freedoms and any influence that opposes those laws and freedoms is not something I will welcome. You think we are ignorant and intolerant? We have researched, at least I have and I have found that throughout history Muslims have been troublemakers everywhere they go. Have you read any of the books written by Muslims who have immigrated to western countries and told of their lives under Islamic law? Those people are not lying. You don't see books published by Canadians who emigrate and write about how cruel and barbaric Canada is. People don't make up things like that. So don't preach at me about 'facts'. Take a look at the facts yourself.

I think it is short sighted of people to say that all opposition to the refugees is racism. Racism has nothing to do with it. It is concern for the many other issues that will almost certainly arise. Will the refugees be any better off if they cannot get employment, if they are under suspicious from a good many Canadians amongst whom they will be living, If the do not speak the language even well enough to see to their everyday needs? Will our society be better off if our deficit rises to unsustainable levels, if our unemployment rate keeps rising, if the conditions of aboriginals, the homeless and the disadvantage, the mentally ill are not addressed? There was a panel on 'The National' tonight discussing the glowing hopes for all the good things the refugees will bring to Canada. When asked about the 'hate' rhetoric, they didn't want to talk about that. they dismissed it as 'minimal' and 'unfounded'. The very fact that the opposition was called 'hate' is inflammatory. It is NOT hate; it is caution and concern and ought to be explained and addressed, not ignored and brushed aside. The concerns that many people have are real.

You might as well shout down a black hole as try to have a civilized, focused debate with people who cannot tolerate any view that they don't agree with. They act like ISIS, insisting everyone 'convert' to their way of thinking or else shut the hell up!

So you're entitled to your opinion but so am I. I think people like you are as bad as the terrorists when you insult everyone who disagrees with you and tries to shut them up. You sure don't show any respect for the freedoms we all have; only those who share YOUR opinions should have rights, is that it? There's a huge difference between debating, sharing differing opinions and trying to belittle and gag those who don't hold YOUR views. I don't believe I have ever attacked any poster here with whom I disagree personally. What the hell gives you the right to be so righteous?

It isn't the time frame that matters. What matters is that changes to more tolerant and peaceful ways have happened. It is irresponsible to let those have not changed pull us back. Yes, accepting gay marriages into our culture does make us more evolved. Killing people for their lifestyles is no longer acceptable to civilized cultures.

BS! The government is asking us all to sacrifice everything we have to accommodate refugees. We pay the cost, we accommodate whatever weird cultural and religious beliefs they bring with them. Average Canadian families are now struggling to survive; how will they cope with the costs that are soon to rise due to the impending deficit? How many refugees are YOU sponsoring? How many are the politicians sponsoring privately? Huh! Our culture will always have the advantage of being elementary to the foundation of Canada? That didn't happen for the aboriginals, did it? What's the guarantee it will be that way for us? People certainly do have duties. When culture is what prevents people from being prosperous and civil it is their DUTY to change that culture if they want to become prosperous and civil. I see some immigrants blending in and others not. The present situations in Europe don't seem to be doing so well.

Helping 'those people' does not necessarily mean bring them all over here. And there is no reason why being involved in a war anywhere means you have to help them. If they behaved themselves there wouldn't be a war in the first place so if they suffer from a war that we didn't start it is their responsibility to help themselves. I don't want to be in their place, not even in my mind. But if Canada became the hell pit than Syria is I wouldn't consider running away and asking foreigners to help me. The numbers of Syrians who have stayed plus the numbers who have fled could make quite a considerable army to fight for their country. And I wouldn't keep having babies in a country where they will have no safety and security. The sight of people putting little kids into those overloaded rafts makes me sick.

It matters because it is tradition. If you don't care if traditions change or die out, then it won't matter to you. But I feel that we should be allowed to keep at least some of our traditions. The other ethnic groups coming here are adamant about keeping theirs. Maybe the desire some of have to keep Christmas as a tradition is just a desire to avoid the straw that broke the camel's back that being abandoning everything that has been dear to us for many years. Are we to be pressured to rename Thanksgiving too? Or Easter? If it doesn't make any difference, they why does it have to change? Will we at some future time take up wearing head coverings because our immigrants like them? Or give up our casual summer attire of shorts and halter tops? Will we someday ban certain foods from our supermarkets because other people find them offensive? Will we have to close our beer and liquor outlets? If we give in on one thing it isn't long until we are pressured to give in on another. Like the old fable about the Arab and The Camel, we will someday be right out in the cold to make the newcomers more comfortable.

I strongly disagree. I am NOT from elsewhere.

Nevertheless, 20% does not make us 'a nation of immigrants' as Trudeau states.

But do you really think that all people who celebrate Christmas are Christians? Christmas is to many just a festive season, a tradition that usually brings goodwill toward mankind into reality for at least a day or two. It is more the belief that Christmas is widely celebrated a a religious holiday that gets non-Christians dander up. It ain't necessarily so! If I were going to celebrate Christmas in a religious sense, I would do so privately in my own home. I love Christmas carols because they are traditional, not because of their lyrics. I love Christmas because traffic slows down and people stay home and keep quiet for a few hours. On Christmas Eve there is no traffic and never a peep out of anyone on our street. The silence is wonderful!

Your description of Justin Trudeau more accurately describes a psychotic, not bi-polar. As for medication, he admits he smokes pot. Perhaps that explains why his mind is not always clear. What bothers me most about Trudeau/Liberals is that they go about things backwards. They did it with the refugee plan and they are doing it with the environmental issue; that is, having made promises without a plan for carrying out their plan. If you are to make a promise you need to consider if and how you are going to keep that promise before you make it. The Liberals did not do that. They made all kinds of promises and when elected, began formulating plans. That doesn't seem to me a responsible way to go about things. It seems to me they should have been researching the issues while they were campaigning to know whether their promises were in fact doable and how they could make them doable. Now they are asked repeatedly, "How will you get this done", and their response is always the same, "We are working on a plan".

We are not 'a nation of immigrants'! We are a nation of descendants of immigrants. New immigrants are given Canadian citizenship and the same rights and privileges as the descendants of immigrants who were born here generations ago and for whom their immigrant ancestors worked and sacrificed to make those rights and privileges available. Anyone born in this country is NOT an immigrant! I don't care who says it, it is wrong.

Canada is supposed to be a secular country - Church and State separate. I think that needs to be enforced. People can practice their personal religion privately as long as it does not run afoul of the law, but their religious practices should not be allowed to appear anywhere publicly. Only on their own property. We can hardly prevent religious groups from building places of worship if that what they want to do but promoting and flaunting religion in any manner could certainly be prevented. As it stands now, any religion but Christianity is allowed to take liberties that Christians are not allowed. As in the abolishment of Christmas carols in what they now call 'Winter Festivals' which used to be Christmas concerts. We are encouraged to acknowledge holidays like Ramadan and allow Muslims time off with pay from their professions to make their pilgrimage to Mecca. But Orthodox Jews whose Sabbath begins Friday evening don't disrupt the workplace to accommodate their religion.