eyeball Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Shady said: Khadr is human garbage. In sense you're right he was simply thrown away. What if it had been you, how would you have fared I wonder? Edited January 22, 2020 by eyeball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 Just now, eyeball said: In sense you're right he was simply thrown away. What if it had been you? If I had killed a medic, I'd be human garbage too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 hour ago, eyeball said: No I'm talking about a child soldier whose rights were ignored by people with no regard for the Geneva Conventions. That takes a special kind of asshole. They took him into custody instead of killing him. It takes a special kind of asshole not to notice that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 hour ago, eyeball said: The only thing that was really disputed is whether he was a child under Geneva Convention protection. Presumably the advise Trudeau was given is that he was or should have been. Hence the out of court settlement. Trudeau settled out of court because, as always, he sided with the terrorist (or 'fighter', as Trudeau calls them). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Shady said: Khadr is human garbage. Yeah, a 15-year-old, brainwashed by his father and sent to Afghanistan, caught in a firefight, the details of which are murky, accused of killing an American, about which there is conflicting evidence, held in Guatanamo for 13 years, and tortured to force a confession. Several courts ruled in his favor, including the US Supreme Court, which criticized the process under which Khadr was convicted in the US. Who is the piece of garbage, exactly? A 15-year-old held in jail for 13 years, for a crime he may or may not have committed, or the government/systems/public opinion who refused to treat him according to our own human-rights laws? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 minute ago, dialamah said: Yeah, a 15-year-old, brainwashed 15 year olds know what's right and wrong. 15 year olds know that murder is wrong. Give me a break with the brainwashing bullshit. It's just an excuse. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Shady said: 15 year olds know what's right and wrong. 15 year olds know that murder is wrong. Give me a break with the brainwashing bullshit. It's just an excuse. So, who should be put into Guantanamo for wrongfully killing non-combatants here. Quote A U.S. drone attack killed 30 pine nut farmers and wounded at least 40 others in Afghanistan Wednesday night, the latest killing of innocent civilians by American forces as the "war on terror" enters its 19th year. The people who visited death on the farmers are adults; they should know the difference between right and wrong and know that it's wrong to kill civilians - that's just murder. There is no excuse for this war crime, right? So, why aren't the people who ordered this strike, and the drone operators, in front of a criminal court for their war crimes? Edited January 22, 2020 by dialamah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 33 minutes ago, dialamah said: So, who should be put into Guantanamo for wrongfully killing non-combatants here. The people who visited death on the farmers are adults; they should know the difference between right and wrong and know that it's wrong to kill civilians - that's just murder. There is no excuse for this war crime, right? So, why aren't the people who ordered this strike, and the drone operators, in front of a criminal court for their war crimes? Your argument is yes but.... All that stuff is horrible. But it's irrelevant to Khadr the murderer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Goddess Posted January 22, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 30 minutes ago, dialamah said: a 15-year-old, brainwashed by his father and sent to Afghanistan, caught in a firefight, He wasn't sent there. He demanded to go fight with his father because he didn't want to be left behind with the women. His 2 older brothers had already graduated from Al Quaeda training and he wanted to be like the rest of his family - terrorists. He has never renounced his terrorist beliefs. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 Why do progressives always seem to side with terrorists? Whether it’s Obama paying Iran (the biggest state sponsor of terrorism) tens of billions, or Trudeau paying Khadr tens of millions. Is there a terrorist/terrorists that progressives don’t want to reward with cash payments? Just wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 16 minutes ago, Shady said: Why do progressives always seem to side with terrorists? Why do conservatives always rush to throw their humanity out the window? Whether it's imprisoning children in Guantanamo or ripping them from their parents to neglect them in detention centers, refusing abortions to women (and threatening them with the death penalty for having an abortion), or denigrating LGBTQ, conservatives always seem only too happy to heap abuse on anyone who is "not just like them", which in the West is straight, white and Christian(ish). Do they have some pathetic need to make themselves feel superior at the expense of everybody else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 39 minutes ago, Shady said: Why do progressives always seem to side with terrorists? Whether it’s Obama paying Iran (the biggest state sponsor of terrorism) tens of billions, or Trudeau paying Khadr tens of millions. Is there a terrorist/terrorists that progressives don’t want to reward with cash payments? Just wondering. Probably because the people inspiring terrorists the most seem to be conservative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, eyeball said: Probably because the people inspiring terrorists the most seem to be conservative. Allah is conservative? Fiscally too? Edited January 23, 2020 by Shady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 hour ago, dialamah said: Why do conservatives always rush to throw their humanity out the window? Whether it's imprisoning children in Guantanamo or ripping them from their parents to neglect them in detention centers, refusing abortions to women (and threatening them with the death penalty for having an abortion), or denigrating LGBTQ, conservatives always seem only too happy to heap abuse on anyone who is "not just like them", which in the West is straight, white and Christian(ish). Do they have some pathetic need to make themselves feel superior at the expense of everybody else? That’s interesting. Probably as a separate topic. This one is about the murderer Khadr and his apologists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, Shady said: Allah is conservative? Sounds like he had his moments according to the Old Testement and it sure sounds like Mohammad was as socially conservative as it gets. Fiscally too? What, social conservatism wasn't bad enough already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Shady said: That’s interesting. Probably as a separate topic. This one is about the murderer Khadr and his apologists. No it's about Khadr the child soldier and his abusers - his parents our government and people like you to this day. It's still a war crime to denigrate POW's you know. You might want to change that when proposing amendments to the GC. Any chance that'll be a plank in the Conservative's platform some day? You know, revisit the issue like abortion or capital punishment. You know you wanna...you keep coming back to it like picking at an old scab that'll never heal. Edited January 23, 2020 by eyeball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, eyeball said: No it's about Khadr the child soldier and his abusers - his parents our government and people like you to this day. Khadr is the convicted war criminal and unlawful combatant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 34 minutes ago, eyeball said: Sounds like he had his moments according to the Old Testement and it sure sounds like Mohammad was as socially conservative as it gets. What, social conservatism wasn't bad enough already? I think we agree. Allah and Mohammad are the primary inspiration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 25 minutes ago, eyeball said: No it's about Khadr the child soldier and his abusers - his parents our government and people like you to this day. It's still a war crime to denigrate POW's you know. You might want to change that when proposing amendments to the GC. Any chance that'll be a plank in the Conservative's platform some day? You know, revisit the issue like abortion or capital punishment. You know you wanna...you keep coming back to it like picking at an old scab that'll never heal. If you knew anything about the Geneva conventions you’d know that they only apply to members of particular armies, that wear uniforms. Conducting combat while not wearing uniforms is against the Geneva conventions. Armies wear uniforms as a way of helping to prevent civilian casualties. Hence, the Khadrs weren’t soldiers under the Geneva conventions. Just terrorist murderers and human garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Shady said: I think we agree. Allah and Mohammad are the primary inspiration. No we definitely disagree on that score too. They're just 2 bit players, one of which is clearly on your side. It's actually quite hilarious and ironic watching so many of our leaders and their followers invoking the same stupid God to help them defeat their enemies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Shady said: If you knew anything about the Geneva conventions you’d know that they only apply to members of particular armies, that wear uniforms. Yeah well you can beef that little caveat up in your Convention amendments too - the list is growing. In the meantime I'll take the advice of the experts minding and protecting the present Convention and its intent from reinterpretation and outright disdain - experts who warned Canada and the US about Khadr's treatment btw. It seems pretty clear to me this advise was probably also on the minds of real judges in real courts and legal experts who advised Trudeau it would be best for Canada if it coughed up out of court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 "Hey Omar...wanna go over to the rink and shoot some pucks....need to get in 100 shots per day for practice" "No thanks...I have to practice building bombs with my dad. "Okay....." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 15 hours ago, eyeball said: Yeah well you can beef that little caveat up in your Convention amendments too - the list is growing. In the meantime I'll take the advice of the experts minding and protecting the present Convention and its intent from reinterpretation and outright disdain - experts who warned Canada and the US about Khadr's treatment btw. It seems pretty clear to me this advise was probably also on the minds of real judges in real courts and legal experts who advised Trudeau it would be best for Canada if it coughed up out of court. Which judges and legal experts are you referring to? Besides, judges don't give legal advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 15 hours ago, eyeball said: No we definitely disagree on that score too. They're just 2 bit players, one of which is clearly on your side. It's actually quite hilarious and ironic watching so many of our leaders and their followers invoking the same stupid God to help them defeat their enemies. I wish they were only 2 bit players! Unfortunately they're not. Plus there's the whole 72 virgins n stuff. It's quite the racket! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 12:55 PM, eyeball said: My guess is that the most of the politicians and in his world were complete assholes with no regard for the Geneva Conventions. or maybe, the military tribunal was legal, and it had authority to press murder charges, and it's conviction was also upheld.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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