Who will get 2016 Republican Presidential Nomination?

[Shady]

Yes, Young can refuse. It's his right, his property. Just like Trump can deny Young accommodations in any of his hotels for any reason.

'The owner has the right to refuse service/product for whatever reason'.

So than a baker, also having his right, his property can also refuse, correct?

[Shady]

You might catch him on that one, but you won't get me on it !!! Because I agree.

Perfect. That's all I was trying to figure out.

[bush_cheney2004]

Uh - oh...I see what you're doing. Another check mate !

Edited June 18, 2015 by bush_cheney2004

[Shady]

You can ask me and pay me to mow your lawn, ... will I?

Probably not. But I suspect that you're not in that line of business.

[On Guard for Thee]

Perfect. That's all I was trying to figure out.

I somehow think you are still i the dark.

[GostHacked]

Perfect. That's all I was trying to figure out.

Only if you had that kind of grasp on your own hypocrisy.

[WestCoastRunner]

So than a baker, also having his right, his property can also refuse, correct?

However, there is a difference between human rights and political beliefs. This is what you are missing in the equation.

Edited June 18, 2015 by WestCoastRunner

[kimmy]

Yes, Young can refuse. It's his right, his property. Just like Trump can deny Young accommodations in any of his hotels for any reason.

'The owner has the right to refuse service/product for whatever reason'.

That's not actually how the law works. If you're running a hotel you can't just refuse service arbitrarily.

As for whether permission is actually required to use a song...

http://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/introduction/getting-permission/

-k

Edited June 18, 2015 by kimmy

[On Guard for Thee]

In fairness Im sure we all know that as we speak, there are bands in bars all over the place playing music that is copyrighted, and without permission and paying the royalties. Chasing that down would be crazy. However the venue within which Trump chose to infringe that law is a little bit different, I would say.

[Wilber]

I just want to know why Young can discriminate on the basis of political ideology and refuse to allow somebody to licence his song for an event, but a Christian can't do the same?

If that particular Christian actually wrote the Bible or held the copywrite, they might be able to depending on what was used. Of course there is no copywrite on the Bible, or cake. It's just a cake.

Edited June 18, 2015 by Wilber

[Shady]

If that particular Christian actually wrote the Bible or held the copywrite, they might be able to depending on what was used. Of course there is no copywrite on the Bible, or cake. It's just a cake.

What does that have to do with discrimination? Cakes, particular designs, etc can have copyright protection. So discriminating based on poilitical ideology is allowed, but not on religious basis? How do you come to that logic?

[On Guard for Thee]

What does that have to do with discrimination? Cakes, particular designs, etc can have copyright protection. So discriminating based on poilitical ideology is allowed, but not on religious basis? How do you come to that logic?

You might be able to obtain copyright protection for a cake. Do you have any doubts Young has it on his songs...I hope Neil takes him to court.

[Shady]

You might be able to obtain copyright protection for a cake. Do you have any doubts Young has it on his songs...I hope Neil takes him to court.

The issue isn't about copyright, it's about discrimination.

[On Guard for Thee]

The issue isn't about copyright, it's about discrimination.

Um no, its copyright. How did you figure discrimination...

[Shady]

Um no, its copyright. How did you figure discrimination...

If somebody wants to purchase a song to use for an event, you cannot discriminate against them. A song writer that forbids Republicans from purchasing the right to use their song at events is discriminating in the exact same way a Christian baker would be discriminating from allowing a gay couple to purchase their products to use at a wedding.

[On Guard for Thee]

If somebody wants to purchase a song to use for an event, you cannot discriminate against them. A song writer that forbids Republicans from purchasing the right to use their song at events is discriminating in the exact same way a Christian baker would be discriminating from allowing a gay couple to purchase their products to use at a wedding.

Young in no way supports Trump (hes actually a Bernie Sanders supporter) and the song is his property so he has every right to decide who uses it and for what purpose. Nothing to do with discrimination, unless you somehow think putting an X on a ballot is also somehow discriminatory.

[WWWTT]

I just want to know why Young can discriminate on the basis of political ideology and refuse to allow somebody to licence his song for an event, but a Christian can't do the same?

Have you provided an example of where it was proven a Christian fundamentalist songwriter has denied another group from using their material?

I'm guessing no.

Furthermore, sounds like you're making up a hypothetical case that fits your motive to cry foul and hypocricy.

WWWTT

[WWWTT]

So than a baker, also having his right, his property can also refuse, correct?

Totaly false buddy!

A SONG is NOT the same thing as a CAKE!

If you can not see the difference, then you have some serious problems with reality and may have dimensia?

If Neil Young lets other parties use his property, it may adversely effect it's value.

You keep on this stupid comparison to try to win some argument that you have going on in some other thread/debate!

Therefore it's thread drift!

I'm not going to comment on this anymore because then I'm an accomplice in your violation.

If you continue, then I'm going to report it and I hope you get a suspension for it!

WWWTT

[Wilber]

If somebody wants to purchase a song to use for an event, you cannot discriminate against them. A song writer that forbids Republicans from purchasing the right to use their song at events is discriminating in the exact same way a Christian baker would be discriminating from allowing a gay couple to purchase their products to use at a wedding.

Wrong. When your local NHL team wants to play a song at one of their games, they have to get permission from whoever holds the copyright. When you buy a record, it is for your personal use only. Remember Napster?

A cake can only be eaten once.

[GostHacked]

That's not actually how the law works. If you're running a hotel you can't just refuse service arbitrarily.

As for whether permission is actually required to use a song...

http://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/introduction/getting-permission/

-k

I think Trump can throw Young a few dollars to compensate. But it's not something Young wants associated with his track.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

Fair use is a limitation and exception to the exclusive right granted by copyright law to the author of a creative work. In United States copyright law, fair use is a doctrine that permits limited use of copyrighted material without acquiring permission from the rights holders. Examples of fair use include commentary, search engines, criticism, parody, news reporting, research, teaching, library archiving and scholarship. It provides for the legal, unlicensed citation or incorporation of copyrighted material in another author's work under a four-factor balancing test.

Some ambiguity here, I can't seem to download the track for free, and if I do I violate copy-write law. but Trump can use the song in a campaign without cost. Something amiss here.

Also Trump would be a bit upset if I used something of his without compensating him for it. We are talking about a very very rich man who can easily afford to pay to use the song. But again, it could simply be that Young does not want his song associated with Trump.

[GostHacked]

If somebody wants to purchase a song to use for an event, you cannot discriminate against them. A song writer that forbids Republicans from purchasing the right to use their song at events is discriminating in the exact same way a Christian baker would be discriminating from allowing a gay couple to purchase their products to use at a wedding.

Yes they can. If you asked permission and the answer was no, then you have no choice but to accept that answer or risk getting your ass sued if you go ahead and use the song.

[bush_cheney2004]

Wrong. When your local NHL team wants to play a song at one of their games, they have to get permission from whoever holds the copyright. When you buy a record, it is for your personal use only. Remember Napster?

Yes...kinda...sorta. Most public commercial performances of copyrighted music are routinely granted permission by license from ASCAP (in the U.S.) Many businesses use recorded music in the course of the day....from radio station bumper music to hair salons to restaurants. Permission/cost to use recorded performances is granted based on how/where it is used. Royalties are distributed back to the artists, publishers, etc.

http://www.ascap.com/licensing/licensingfaq.aspx#general

In the case of the NHL, there is probably a league-wide license that grants permission to use ASCAP material.

Edited June 18, 2015 by bush_cheney2004

[cybercoma]

The issue isn't about copyright, it's about discrimination.

Obviously you don't want to recognize licensing and copyright laws because it exposes how stupid your characterization of the situation is. I mean, do you really believe that I can make gay hentai porn with Mickey Mouse and make money off it as long as I offer Disney a fair price for using their characters?

[cybercoma]

If somebody wants to purchase a song to use for an event, you cannot discriminate against them.

He's not "purchasing a song." He would be licensing the song. You can't actually purchase songs. He could purchase the album, but even then copyright laws apply and are written in the liner notes of every album sold. He could buy individual songs from iTunes, but when you buy from iTunes (or amazon or anywhere else for that matter), you're licensing the music not buying it. You're also subject to the same terms. So hey, if Trump wants to buy Young's album, he can. If he wants to perform it publicly, then he needs to get permission from the original artist, since it's their intellectual property. But go ahead and pretend that this is about discrimination and ignore everything about copyright and intellectual property. It's making this whole discussion hilarious.

[Topaz]

There is only one woman on the republican side, former CEO of HP, Carly Fiorina, and she was on "The View" and I think she may ended in the running. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/25/us-usa-republicans-idUSKBN0KX0PW20150125