Argus Posted January 14, 2015 Report Posted January 14, 2015 The attempt to make it look like that there is a consistency in how all religions and religious people are treated in the media and by Charlie Hebdo is a failure and is not based on reality. And yet Jews are leaving France in fear of anti-Semitic attacks, which keep rising. Did anyone machine-gun children at a Muslim school last year? Are there thousands of police across France guarding every single place identified as the home, school, temple, shop or workplace of Muslims? The difference you deliberately ignore is that when people say things which can be construed as anti-Islam they're generally commenting on the violence and actions associated with it, or on the brutality and ignorance of ongoing cultural behaviour. When they comment on Jews and Jewry its plain and simple religious hatred, and most of those comments are coming from Muslims, which you again deliberately ignore. The pathetic efforts of Charlie Hebdo's cartoons are multiplied a thousandfold in the Muslim press around the world every year, and not by obscure little papers but by government controlled media. Have the Jews of the world ever indulged in bloody, murderous riots over it? http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Images:Antisemitic_Cartoons Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted January 14, 2015 Report Posted January 14, 2015 Freedom of expression is selective by definition. Expression is so passe. Selective idiocy - the freedom to interpret and define is all the rage now. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted January 14, 2015 Report Posted January 14, 2015 Good thing for my disclaimer. I'm not surprised that you're one of those who came here with that comment. I am a little surprised that it happened so quickly. You are very very bad at reading and someone who I find a waste of time to respond to. Ah the freedom to be obtuse. It's not like he's the only one around here with mealy ears. It's everywhere you look. It's a freedom that's probably worth dying for in some circles...which probably explains the urge to use a 2x4 to beat a little sense into people from time to time. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted January 14, 2015 Report Posted January 14, 2015 Cue the faux terrified outrage in 3...2...1... Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Hudson Jones Posted January 15, 2015 Report Posted January 15, 2015 And yet Jews are leaving France in fear of anti-Semitic attacks, which keep rising. When you press reply and then say, "And yet..", it means that you are responding and countering something I said. You are not responding to anything that I said. Why do you have such a low attention span? Also, why haven't you responded to the 80% of Muslims want Sharia Law misinformation you posted? Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Hudson Jones Posted January 15, 2015 Report Posted January 15, 2015 Free speech 4 eva! The Argus', the Shady's and the Rue's will not respond to this crazy double standard and contradiction. Well, maybe Rue will respond with something. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 15, 2015 Report Posted January 15, 2015 Expression is so passe. Selective idiocy - the freedom to interpret and define is all the rage now. Sorry...the term is foreign to me...but popular in Canada: Freedom of expression in Canada is guaranteed by section 2( of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Posted January 15, 2015 Report Posted January 15, 2015 The Argus', the Shady's and the Rue's will not respond to this crazy double standard and contradiction. Well, maybe Rue will respond with something. I will. It's a double standard. If the speech ( I haven't read it) didn't contain an incitement to violence, but rather,(as it sounds from Black Dog's post) just said how thrilled they all were with current events, then I would probably find it offensive, and support their right to it as much as I support CH's. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted January 15, 2015 Report Posted January 15, 2015 I will. It's a double standard. If the speech ( I haven't read it) didn't contain an incitement to violence, but rather,(as it sounds from Black Dog's post) just said how thrilled they all were with current events, then I would probably find it offensive, and support their right to it as much as I support CH's. It matters not whether you think its a double standard......I await Charlie Hebdo's upcoming satire focussed on this. Might make for a haughty political cartoon. Quote
Guest Posted January 15, 2015 Report Posted January 15, 2015 It matters not whether you think its a double standard......I await Charlie Hebdo's upcoming satire focussed on this. Might make for a haughty political cartoon. It obviously matters to Hudson Jones. But not you. That's ok, I wasn't talking to you. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted January 15, 2015 Report Posted January 15, 2015 It obviously matters to Hudson Jones. But not you. That's ok, I wasn't talking to you. Other names were on his list. But not you. That's ok, he wasn't talking to you. Unless you consider yourself that obtuse. Quote
Guest Posted January 15, 2015 Report Posted January 15, 2015 Other names were on his list. But not you. That's ok, he wasn't talking to you. Unless you consider yourself that obtuse. Don't be offended. I responded to HJ because I was willing to. Nothing obtuse about it. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted January 15, 2015 Report Posted January 15, 2015 It obviously matters to Hudson Jones. But not you. That's ok, I wasn't talking to you. I was under the impression that anyone could respond to a post, doesn't matter who it is directed to? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Guest Posted January 15, 2015 Report Posted January 15, 2015 I was under the impression that anyone could respond to a post, doesn't matter who it is directed to? That's true. I'm not sure what upset Bob. Quote
Argus Posted January 15, 2015 Report Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) When you press reply and then say, "And yet..", it means that you are responding and countering something I said. You are not responding to anything that I said. Why do you have such a low attention span? Also, why haven't you responded to the 80% of Muslims want Sharia Law misinformation you posted? I've already posted the polls. Apparently clicking on a link remains beyond your skill set. Or maybe you're afraid the polls were conducted by Jews? Your attempt to suggest Jews are a protected people while it's open season on Muslims is laughable nonsense. Jews are attacked worldwide in every form of medium every day, as well as attacked physically. Much of these attacks are by Muslims, of course. I've already shown that people can be charged with a variety of hate crimes, and have been, for insulting Muslims, as well as Jews. And your attempt to compare a cartoon which mocks the prophet to a cartoon which portrays Jews as blood sucking murderers simply leaves the impression all your efforts on this topic are because you truly believe the latter. Edited January 15, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 15, 2015 Report Posted January 15, 2015 I will. It's a double standard. If the speech ( I haven't read it) didn't contain an incitement to violence, but rather,(as it sounds from Black Dog's post) just said how thrilled they all were with current events, then I would probably find it offensive, and support their right to it as much as I support CH's. France, and to some extent, the UK do not have free speech as we know it. The Left in those countries has put in place numerous restrictions on what you can say which might offend or insult people, particularly minorities. The French also have a unique version of democracy which allows for a lot more freedom to crack down on anyone or any group who annoys the government. It's not a double standard. It's a French standard. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 15, 2015 Report Posted January 15, 2015 That's true. I'm not sure what upset Bob. When is Bob NOT upset? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted January 15, 2015 Report Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) If you're trying to say that Jews would be comitting terrorist acts against cartoonists too, you're wrong. Very, very wrong. And an Islamic violence apologist. Being a holocaust denier can get you jailed in some parts of Europe. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065958/Australian-Holocaust-denier-arrested-Heathrow-claims-victim-witch-hunt.html A leading holocaust denier who runs a website insisting the Nazis did not murder millions of Jews will face an extradition hearing tomorrow after being arrested as he flew into Britain. Dr Fredrick Toben was seized at Heathrow at the request of the German authorities for publishing 'anti-Semitic and/or revisionist' material between 2000 and 2004. Dr Toben - who claims to be facing a 'witch-trial' - has committed no crime in Britain, where Holocaust denial is not an offence. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6364951.stm A German Holocaust denier who regularly lavished praise on Adolf Hitler has been sentenced to five years in jail by a German court. Ernst Zuendel was convicted of 14 counts of inciting racial hatred and for denying that the Nazis killed six million Jews during World War II. He received the maximum sentence under German law which bans Holocaust denial. Zuendel moved to Canada in 1958 but was judged a national security threat and deported back to Germany in 2005. The 67-year-old once published a book called The Hitler We Loved and Why, and described the former Nazi leader as "a decent and very peaceful man". But this may mean I am a Hitler lover, I know someone will interpret it that way. Edited January 15, 2015 by GostHacked Quote
Argus Posted January 15, 2015 Report Posted January 15, 2015 Being a holocaust denier can get you jailed in some parts of Europe. Yeah, because the Europeans lived through what happens when Nazis take power, and there is still a lot of Nazi sentiment in the gutters and alleys and slums all across Europe. They're understandably wary of a resurgence of that sort of thing. It's not just Jews who die when the Nazis flourish, you know. The Jews are just the canaries in their coal mines. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted January 15, 2015 Report Posted January 15, 2015 Yeah, because the Europeans lived through what happens when Nazis take power, and there is still a lot of Nazi sentiment in the gutters and alleys and slums all across Europe. They're understandably wary of a resurgence of that sort of thing. It's not just Jews who die when the Nazis flourish, you know. The Jews are just the canaries in their coal mines. Should one be going to jail for being a holocaust denier? Quote
Shady Posted January 15, 2015 Report Posted January 15, 2015 Should one be going to jail for being a holocaust denier? No, I don't think so. But that's irrelevant to the magazine issue in this instance. It's just an excuse to justify violence committed by radical Muslims, violence that's not committed by any other groups for the same types of things. I've seen Piss Christ. I've seen the Book of Mormon, and other similar things. One could never attempt that of the religion of peace. Quote
GostHacked Posted January 15, 2015 Report Posted January 15, 2015 No, I don't think so. But that's irrelevant to the magazine issue in this instance. It's just an excuse to justify violence committed by radical Muslims, violence that's not committed by any other groups for the same types of things. I've seen Piss Christ. I've seen the Book of Mormon, and other similar things. One could never attempt that of the religion of peace. One could argue that a holocaust denier being jailed for such is a free speech issue. No one here is apologizing for the attacks and I don't think anyone here would say these people deserved it. Sure there is a problem in RADICALS that follow an extreme... forget it, rehash, rehash. However, our governments do more to curb our free speech than radical muslims. Good thing we won against those terrorists. Where did they claim they were from? A sect of Al-Queda in Yemen? The place where drones been dropping bombs on and where terrorists are released back into the wild from GITMO? Now take not of how the police apparatus is working. Lock down baby. Quote
dre Posted January 15, 2015 Report Posted January 15, 2015 Theres no question that Christians take less offense to depictions of their fake god, than muslims do to depictions of their fake god. I think the biggest difference is probably education and religiosity. Christians in the west are barely even religious. Most of them dont, pray, or even go to church regularly. And while Muslims believe that their little book is the absolute infallible truth, most Christians consider the bible to be mostly allegorical. Either way, theres no question that Muslims are a lot more uptight about depictions of the prophet/god. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted January 15, 2015 Report Posted January 15, 2015 One could argue that a holocaust denier being jailed for such is a free speech issue. No one here is apologizing for the attacks and I don't think anyone here would say these people deserved it. Sure there is a problem in RADICALS that follow an extreme... forget it, rehash, rehash. However, our governments do more to curb our free speech than radical muslims. Good thing we won against those terrorists. Where did they claim they were from? A sect of Al-Queda in Yemen? The place where drones been dropping bombs on and where terrorists are released back into the wild from GITMO? Now take not of how the police apparatus is working. Lock down baby. Niel Macdonald wrote a good article on this... How the net effect of these terrorist attacks is to sick our own governments on us. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Hudson Jones Posted January 15, 2015 Report Posted January 15, 2015 I will. It's a double standard. If the speech ( I haven't read it) didn't contain an incitement to violence, but rather,(as it sounds from Black Dog's post) just said how thrilled they all were with current events, then I would probably find it offensive, and support their right to it as much as I support CH's. bcsapper: I appreciate your honesty and for speaking out. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
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