Surprise! Israel refuses cooperation with UN Gaza war probe

[eyeball]

Ain't nobody deporting Israelis or Jews to Germany.

It's like shooting fish in a barrel some days isn't it?

Notice I just got two in one shot?

[GostHacked]

It's like shooting fish in a barrel some days isn't it?

Notice I just got two in one shot?

They make it easy for you to accomplish this. They try to troll you, and you end up getting them back. I like it.

[Argus]

It's like shooting fish in a barrel some days isn't it?

Notice I just got two in one shot?

Are you saying you were trolling?

[Michael Hardner]

Don't discuss trolling - discuss the topic at hand. Ignore trolling, or report and move on.

[marcus]

If Israel let in thousands of Muslims a year like Canada does then the Muslims would simply start slaughtering Jews left and right. It would be Eichman all over again. That will never be allowed to happen.

You realize that 20% of Israel's population are Muslim Arabs. That's over 1.6 million of them. This fact ruins your wild theory of "Muslims would simply start slaughtering Jews left and right".

I recommend that you put down your fairy tale books, turn off Foxnews and start looking at facts to formulate your opinions.

Edited November 26, 2014 by marcus

[Rue]

It also ruins your theory Marcus that Israel is what you claim it is. To start with the percentage of Muslims who are Israeli citizens is higher than 20% not that it matters.

Secondly they have the highest standard of living of Muslims in the Middle East and enjoy all the political rights Jews in Muslim countries let alone their fellow Muslims are entitled to in Muslim countries of the Middle Easty and that is the issue.

The issue is that these Muslim Israelis refuse to give up their citzenship. It blows your theory to hell about Israel and Muslims inside Israel.

Now let us be clear shall we. You engage in generalizations about Israelis, Zionism and Jews in a negative manner in precisely the way you now accuse Capt. Canada of dealing with Muslims. Practice what you preach.

Let's also put your latest comment to rest. Neither Muslims or Jews should be stereotyped as wanting to kill each other. There are terrorists and there are hateful people. Some are Muslim some are Jewish some are Christian some are atheist. No one group has a monopoly on such people. However in your diatribes, you pose the conflict as only having one set of terrorists, and that is anyone who is a Jew let alone anyone who believes they have a right to live as a Jew in their own state.

Palestinians and Israelis, Jews and Muslims bleed and blow up the same way some of us are well aware of that. Before you lecture Capt. Canada, myself or anyone, about our positions, look at your own.

Edited November 26, 2014 by Rue

[overthere]

The essential question is deceptively simple, a yes or no proposition.

Does Israel have the right to exist as a state?

A lot stems from the answers to that.

[eyeball]

Are you saying you were trolling?

No, trolling takes effort.

Shooting fish in a barrel? I realize now I should have said dynamiting them in a pond.

[eyeball]

The essential question is deceptively simple, a yes or no proposition.

Does Israel have the right to exist as a state?

A lot stems from the answers to that.

Oh ffs.

There's actually a lot more that stems from how they exercise their right.

[marcus]

The essential question is deceptively simple, a yes or no proposition.

Does Israel have the right to exist as a state?

A lot stems from the answers to that.

Since Israel already exists as a state, then it's not really a question. Majority of the world have accepted the internationally recognized borders of Israel; Including Canada and U.S. So your question is a red herring. Another nonsensical question to try to take attention away from the big elephant in the room. Palestinians' human rights and a right to a state.

The question is whether Palestine has a right to exist as a state. Yes or No? For over 4 decades, the answer has been no by Israel and the Western countries who have had a hand in allowing this to continue.

What is your answer to that, overthere? Captain Canada?

Edited November 27, 2014 by marcus

[Hudson Jones]

As long as palestine elects terroridt groups to run it, no.

If I may:

First of all, Fatah is not a terrorist group and they have officially accepted Israel as a State since the late 80's. Hamas only came to power in the past decade.

Second; Israel has had two past prime ministers who were leaders of officially recognized terrorist organizations:

Menachem Begin who was the leader of the terrorist organization Irgun, and

Yitzhak Shamir, who was the leader of the terrorist group, Lehi.

Does this mean that you're against the formation of the State of Israel because these two people became its prime minister? Because these terrorist groups dissolved into the Israeli government and military after its formation?

[Rue]

If I may:

First of all, Fatah is not a terrorist group and they have officially accepted Israel as a State since the late 80's.

Second; Israel has had two past prime ministers who were leaders of officially recognized terrorist organizations:

Menachem Begin who was the leader of the terrorist organization Irgun, and

Yitzhak Shamir, who was the leader of the terrorist group, Lehi.

..and if I may, Fatah Hawks and Eagles are most certainly terrorist groups and to suggest otherwise is absurd.

Secondly Israel had two Prime Ministers who were yes in fact members of the terrorist cell known as the Lehi or Stern Gang which never amounted to more than 45 operatives at its peek. This cell was denounced by the Haganah/Palmach and in fact turned in by them to the British.

When both individuals were elected Prime Minister they had to renounce their belief in terrorism long before they could be elected to the Knesset.

Each time you try that tactic it fails.

More to the point even if what you argued was true, the existence of people who believe in terror does not justify other terrorists.

The more you respond the more you share your true agenda and roots.

What should I call your narrative?

[marcus]

Secondly Israel had two Prime Ministers who were yes in fact members of the terrorist cell known as the Lehi or Stern Gang

Thanks for confirming that Israeli prime ministers were terrorists. It's too bad you prefer to embrace terrorists - As long as they are your terrorists.

Also, thanks for admitting that you ooze with double standards.

[Rue]

Thanks for confirming that Israeli prime ministers were terrorists. It's too bad you prefer to embrace terrorists - As long as they are your terrorists.

Also, thanks for admitting that you ooze with double standards.

Of course at one point they were terrorists. The Stern Lehi gang were in fact terrorists.

However at no time did I condone their tactics when they were terrorists on this forum. In fact in previous posts I indicated what Stern and Lehi did was not something I agreed with and for that matter was rejected by the Zionist movement, including at the time all the Zionist organizations an d Haganah-Palmach who turned them in.

That is the point you deliberately try misrepresent. Stern-Lehi never represented the Zionist movement just themselves. They constituted no more than 45 of millions of Jews who claimed to be Zionist

Now how do I have double standards?

Show me where I justified what Stern or Lehi did many years ago?

In fact I was when Shamir and Begin were elected a Labour party supporter.

Marcus your attempts to suggest I agree with terrorism as long as its Jewish or Israeli is not only false but deliberate.

However the more you try respond with the tactic of throwing back false misrepresentations the more you manifest your lack of credibility.

[Rue]

Hudson Jones' tactic is to ignore any information presented to him and attack people personally. As you can see he deliberately ignored the posts that do not paint the picture he wants and rather than address them directly begins with the deceit and Hasbra rhetoric.

There are sufficient numbers of Iranian people Muslim, Christian, Zoroastrean, Bahaii, Jewish, who left Iran who can talk about it. I have talked to such people.

I think people should realize many Iranian refugees came to Canada from these groups to get away from the utopia Hudson Jones now paints.

You remember Sharky with Thereisenshtadt Concentration Camp the Nazis did a great job of presenting it as a wonderful place for Jews.

I wouldn't go so far as to call Iran that but the similarities in the propaganda exercise should be evident to anyone who takes the time do speak to someone who fled Iran or bothers to read what its targets of oppression say.

I know some students who got out. They are brave people. They are Shiite. I am well aware that Iranian people are pro Western and many reject the extremist Shiite religious dictatorship.

Myself, I know Iranians were very friendly and supportive of Israel prior to 1979 and I do not stereotype Iranians because of their Muslim clergy council that has a stranglehold on them.

I do believe and call me naive, their student movement will one day assist in taking down the current regime of totalitarian extremist Shiite Islamic interpreted dogma. How's that for a mouthful.

[marcus]

I have talked to such people.

And we are so lucky that we have a tireless typer who is an expert on everything. Some who has talked to such people. Please continue to let us know about everything, which we do not know about. Your expertise on the human psyche and your keen observation of human nature will continue to fill the void that we suffer. Sometimes we forget how lucky we are that you are here to tell us what we are thinking and what we really mean. Do not stop letting us know how one terrorist is kind of okay, but the other one is not so okay. Please continue to spread your glow of knowledge. You are the true symbol of the chosen ones.

Thank you.

[guyser]

There are sufficient numbers of Iranian people Muslim, Christian, Zoroastrean, Bahaii, Jewish, who left Iran who can talk about it. I have talked to such people.

Hey me too !

I have three Iranians in the office.

You dont want to know what they said about your 'terror for jews in Iran.'.....do you?

Maybe I can clean it up. They said for the most part they live peacefully, not having to look over any shoulders and enjoy life as much as others in that country.

Ok, so now it s a wash.

[overthere]

Since Israel already exists as a state, then it's not really a question. Majority of the world have accepted the internationally recognized borders of Israel; Including Canada and U.S. So your question is a red herring. Another nonsensical question to try to take attention away from the big elephant in the room. Palestinians' human rights and a right to a state.

The question is whether Palestine has a right to exist as a state. Yes or No? For over 4 decades, the answer has been no by Israel and the Western countries who have had a hand in allowing this to continue.

What is your answer to that, overthere? Captain Canada?

It is not a red herring at all, and your refusal to answer is typical.

The correct answer is yes.

In response to your separate question about the right to a Palestinian state, the answer to that question is also obviously yes.

I will ignore your usual attempt to refuse to answer the first question.

Now, all we need to do is to get Israell enemies, such as yourself , Hamas, Hezbollah, many of the Gulf States, Iran , Syria etc to say yes as well and I can guarantee that a resolution will be reached. It seems a simple thing, but you and your buddies don't want a resolution that does not involve the extinction of Israel. Is that a fair summary?

[Rue]

And we are so lucky that we have a tireless typer who is an expert on everything. Some who has talked to such people. Please continue to let us know about everything, which we do not know about. Your expertise on the human psyche and your keen observation of human nature will continue to fill the void that we suffer. Sometimes we forget how lucky we are that you are here to tell us what we are thinking and what we really mean. Do not stop letting us know how one terrorist is kind of okay, but the other one is not so okay. Please continue to spread your glow of knowledge. You are the true symbol of the chosen ones.

Thank you.

We? Lol, so you finally admit you are more than one person? Lol. How many at your desk anyways? I am familiar with Omar and Moe, and peekaboo I know you and when you suddenly came onto the forum and you know who suddenly left.

We? Come on then. Why is it you guys took so long to admit Marcus is a collective name.

Salaam.

[Hudson Jones]

Yes. Me, as one of the characters who you have brilliantly outed, also appreciates your informative, clear, honest and friendly communications on this board. Thank you for setting the record straight in regards to Israel's good terrorists and their difference with the other terrorists. Thanks Rue!

Edited November 29, 2014 by Hudson Jones

[sharkman]

And we are so lucky that we have a tireless typer who is an expert on everything. Some who has talked to such people. Please continue to let us know about everything, which we do not know about. Your expertise on the human psyche and your keen observation of human nature will continue to fill the void that we suffer. Sometimes we forget how lucky we are that you are here to tell us what we are thinking and what we really mean. Do not stop letting us know how one terrorist is kind of okay, but the other one is not so okay. Please continue to spread your glow of knowledge. You are the true symbol of the chosen ones.

Thank you.

Wow, there's another one. "Glow of Knowledge" Your sentence structure in that paragraph has an ESL vibe going on, and then you come up with the gem, glow of knowledge. Dude, really, stop being ashamed of who you are. There's nothing wrong with your heritage, whatever it is, quit hiding yourself from reality.

I mean I know Hudson likes to be a multiple personality type, but it only confuses your character and personality as you skulk about(maybe look that up) on the internet, shape shifting as you go from one forum to another. I understand that one needs entertainment, but once in a while you need to say no to the inner voices.

Edited November 29, 2014 by sharkman

[BubberMiley]

Someone's indulging in remedial Internet psychoanalysis again.

[Michael Hardner]

Yes, and it's much better to stick to the topic.

[overthere]

Does anybody have an advance copy of The Final UN Report on Gaza? It was done months ago by the usual suspects, surely it has been leaked by now.

They could just use the old ones as a template, change the names and dates and save a lot of time in ersatz 'investigations'.

[Big Guy]

If the possibility of a Palestinian state is being discussed in this thread then I suggest the idea has just moved another step towards world recognition.

There are about 130 countries which recognize a Palestinian state. Sweden joined that group recently and France looks like it will soon come on board. The USA and Canada are becoming more and more isolated in their position. World opinion seems to be shifting away from support of the Israeli position and Netanyahu's warnings and opposition are having little effect. It appears those "incursions" into Gaza by Israel with the "collateral human damage" is not as acceptable to the rest of the world as it is to the USA, Canada and Israel.

A few days ago, the Arab league has agreed to present to the UN Security Council a draft resolution that will set a time frame for the creation of a Palestinian state. It is expected that the USA would veto such a resolution but the administration of the USA may be different and if the West wants better relations with Iran its position may be reviewed.

That resolution calls for "the full withdrawal of Israel ... from all the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem, as rapidly as possible and to be fully completed within a specified timeframe, not to exceed November 2016." That date would be after the next federal election and it would be interesting to know the position of each political party on that issue before we choose the next government.