Surprise! Israel refuses cooperation with UN Gaza war probe

[Rue]

Now once we are on the topic, Ghost and Eye have engaged me in a question as to which one of them called Jews manipulators and coercive.

I apologize if I mixed up whom of the 2 actually said the comment and mixed them up. At this point I can't tell the difference between the two posters or Hudson Jones or Dre or Marcus.

What I do remind Eye is to the following he stated as well since he now seems to want to engage in denial with Ghost as to what they have or have not said about Israel:

1-" Jews need to think outside that box. If God made the Earth then the whole planet is Holy"

2-"Well, speaking for myself I have two suggestions. 1) going back to Europe and carving off a piece of Germany in reparation for the Holocaust. 2) unless I'm mistaken wasn't the Ungava Peninsula once ttouted as being a possible Jewish homeland?"

then in defence of 2 the following comment:

3- "The suggestion specifically referred to the piece of Germany as being a reparation for the Holocaust - if anything it refers to deporting Germans to Germany."

and my favourite the following follow up to to 1,2 and 3;

"Except I didn't state these things, you did."

Yah I dig. You want to deflect and play "I never said that"...got it.

Tee hee. There's a tactic I have never seen used on this board to avoid debating the topic of the thread.

[Hudson Jones]

. Your statement that Zionism is a cancer to be wiped out necessarily means wiping out the Jewish nature of Israel as I stated.

Hudson stop trying to bait me and talk about the thread

No it's not. Stop trying to defame people with your lies.

Zionism is an ideology, just like Wahabism is.

Both of those shitty ideologies need to be wiped out. Israel and Saudi Arabia are countries and are not ideologies.

[Rue]

Now to be specific and I apologize for the error in attributing a comment from Ghost to Eye, Ghost originally stated;

"Regardless of everything, there is still a decent Jewish population on this planet. They did not survive by being weak or stupid. Manipulative and coercive, sure. But they are not weak or stupid."

When then challenged on the above he then stated:

"No. I see it as people with, 1-money, 2-influence, and 3-political power , that are manipulative and coercive. Strip away their nationality, race, religion, and that is what it comes down to."

The two step speaks for itself.

The exercise of making a statement, then denying it and giving it a new context and meaning also speaks for itself.

So does engaging me in this board to go off on a tangent to avoid the topic and replay the words.

As can be blatantly seen, none of the above has to do with the UN Gaza probe.

The tactic of deflection to avoid the topic speaks for itself.

[Rue]

No it's not. Stop trying to defame people with your lies.

Zionism is an ideology, just like Wahabism is.

Both of those shitty ideologies need to be wiped out. Israel and Saudi Arabia are countries and are not ideologies.

Zionism is ideology? Right. Zionism is the creation of and belief in a Jewish state. The very ideology necessarily means the existence of Israel as a Jewish state. Wiping out that ideology therefore necessarily requires wiping out the Jewish state.

Hudson this notion of wiping out Zionism but it does not measn removing the nature of Israel being a Jewish state is past absurd.

You can report me for saying that too.

[GostHacked]

Yep I said, it and made a clarification. Let's move on.

[eyeball]

1-" Jews need to think outside that box. If God made the Earth then the whole planet is Holy"

Yes I definitely said that...

2-"Well, speaking for myself I have two suggestions. 1) going back to Europe and carving off a piece of Germany in reparation for the Holocaust. 2) unless I'm mistaken wasn't the Ungava Peninsula once ttouted as being a possible Jewish homeland?"

I absolutely said that too

3- "The suggestion specifically referred to the piece of Germany as being a reparation for the Holocaust - if anything it refers to deporting Germans to Germany."

Unequivocally correct.

and my favourite the following follow up to to 1,2 and 3;

"Except I didn't state these things, you did."

You are one severely mixed up puppy.

[PrimeNumber]

The above is a one sided rendition of the conflict and is false. Israel has never refused to recognize a Palestinian state. It has continually offered to recognize one. What it asks for is the same recognition back as a Jewish state just as the Palestinian state is defined as a Sharia state.

The Palestinians have stated they will never ever accept a Jewish state and attaches to the condition of recognizing Israel that it become Muslim and take back any Muslim who claims to be Palestinian and offer them not just automatic citzenship but land rights of existing land owned by Jewish Israelis.

Interesting you skipped all that.

Now when you stated in your response to me:

"Yet when anyone says anything about Palestine you are very quick to jump in on it and in fact elaborate as much as possible on it."

If someone says something about Palestine that is one sided as you have, I challenge it and yes thank you unlike you or the entourage of anti Israel posters on this forum you bet I elaborate. Its called backing my position. I don't just spew out a subjective opinion. I explain it.

You don't have to read it but this is a debate forum, if you believe its juust a site to spew out subjective piss on Israel comments, be my guest piss on Israel, and I have the right to debate your piss on Israel comments. Its how it works. We are not in Syria or Iran where you call out your interpretation of the Koran and no one is allowed to question it.

We call this in Canada, debating.

hahaha you did it again.The only reason no one ever has a chance to say anything about Palestine is because you always turn it around and make it about Israel again, You can't let a single post go because of your position. Which is understandable but don't pretend your subjective. You piss on Palestine every chance you get. For Israel to recognize Palestine as a state and for Palestine to reciprocate they could maybe take the high road and stop settling in what would be Palestine's land. Simple enough, right? Instead they play the same game the Palestinians play and it gets neither side nowhere and breeds more animosity between the two factions. But it's okay right, an eye for an eye? I thought your religion taught against that kind of thinking? I guess they don't really care about religious morals after all. It's all about you hurt me so I'll hurt you at this point and neither side can grow up enough to get past their self-righteous attitudes. Well I guess there is a reason why people with lower IQ's are more prone to religious beliefs.

[Hudson Jones]

Zionism is ideology? Right.

Yes. Right. Zionism is an ideology.

[Rue]

Prime show one post where I have pissed on Palestinian people, just one. I criticize Hamas, Abbas, not Palstinians. Unlike you I differentiate the people from the politicians I criticize. So that attempt at misrepresentation isn't going to work. Doesn't work no matter how many times the name of the poster changes using the same tactic.

Now you can engage in all the diatribes you want against Israel but to come on this board and then suggest I can't defend Israel but you can come on the board and make your one sided diatribes in favour of anti Israel positions is stupid. You want to piss on Israel, I have the right to challenge that. Its as simple as that.Wrap your ahead around that concept Prime because this is not Syria, this is not Gaza, this is not the West Bank-you don't piss on Israel with one sided diatribes and then expect them to go unquestioned. As I said in Canada we get to debate both sides of the conflict hard as that is for you to grasp.

[Rue]

Right Hudson Zionism is an ideology that states Israel is a Jewish state and will remain a Jewish state and so when you come on this forum calling for Zionism to be wiped out like cancer and then threaten to report me to the moderator for saying you are in fact alluding to wiping out the Jewish state, I repeat it again.

The Jewish state is not a cancer. Its Israeli Jews are not cancer cells, and when you come on this board repeating you want to wipe them out as one does cancer, I will call you out for it. Go on Hudson, finish what you never started. Explain how you intend to radiate Jewish Israelis or Jews or non Jews who support the state of Israel being Jewish. Do you intend to do it with one mass radiation bomb? Do you intend to line them all up and give them needles?

Will you remove them from the planet and throw them in a tissue compactor? Hmmmmm?

Hudson Jones or whatever name you choose to use that sounds English I got your number. So move on and back to your latest thread giggling at one of them Zionist Jew rich ones tee hee hee whose computer as hacked tee hee hee. Your sole contribution on this forum these days is to come and giggle at Zionists. Tee hee hee. Its a useful way to debate conflicts and present views to resolving them to the mutual equality of both sides-giggling.

[marcus]

Right Hudson Zionism is an ideology

It looks like that you have finally accepted that Zionism is an ideology.

The same ideology that puts its own agenda above international law and the human rights of others.

[Big Guy]

Looks like the war in Gaza still lingers. Hamas fired another of their wonky rockets at Israel and Israel retaliated with a bombing run on a military installation in Gaza.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/12/israel-gaza-air-strikes-20141219224638419703.html

Score - Hamas took out 6 squash plants in an open field and Israel wiped out an empty cement building.

Israel was able to replant the squash plants so advantage Israel on this one.

Edited December 20, 2014 by Big Guy

[jbg]

Looks like the war in Gaza still lingers. Hamas fired another of their wonky rockets at Israel and Israel retaliated with a bombing run on a military installation in Gaza.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/12/israel-gaza-air-strikes-20141219224638419703.html

I don't see what's "wonky" about deadly weapons.

Score - Hamas took out 6 squash plants in an open field and Israel wiped out an empty cement building.

Israel was able to replant the squash plants so advantage Israel on this one.

Who fired first? Any reason why the aggressor shouldn't suffer, especially if the response is non-lethal and wipes out a plant that can be used to rebuild tunnels?

[Big Guy]

It appears jbg that you will defend Israel and support it on any issue. I understand and respect you for your passion and dedication. I do not share your views. I believe that Israel is far too much trouble for such a small county that continues to move to the right. The government snubs its nose at directions from the West, continues to annex land and expects full support from the West.

I think it is time for Canada to cut itself loose from Israel and look for other partners in the ME. I am not Jewish and feel no special allegiance to Israel and view it as just another nation in the world. I think the current government in Israel is looking for a war with Iran and we should have nothing to do with that. Israel has been gaining in strength and size over the years and has decided to set its own foreign policy and ignore the West. Good for Israel. Let it follow through on its policies without Canadian support. We do not need Israel as an ally.

[jbg]

It appears jbg that you will defend Israel and support it on any issue. I understand and respect you for your passion and dedication. I do not share your views. I believe that Israel is far too much trouble for such a small county that continues to move to the right. The government snubs its nose at directions from the West, continues to annex land and expects full support from the West.

I think it is time for Canada to cut itself loose from Israel and look for other partners in the ME. I am not Jewish and feel no special allegiance to Israel and view it as just another nation in the world.

I am Jewish, and proud of Jewish and Israeli accomplishments. This pride extends to the fact that they are a stable, pro-Western democracy.

If the Arabs stopped fighting and recognized Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state Netanyahu would have to stop fighting and move to the center. The nature of Israeli coalition government is that if he didn't, under a setting of genuine, U.S.-Canada type peace the government would fall and fall hard. As it is every rocket attack, suicide bombing, automobile attack and kidnapping or murder of innocent Israelis is bolstering his support. This is a matter of survival. Israel's first loss at war will be its last loss.

I think the current government in Israel is looking for a war with Iran and we should have nothing to do with that. Israel has been gaining in strength and size over the years and has decided to set its own foreign policy and ignore the West. Good for Israel. Let it follow through on its policies without Canadian support. We do not need Israel as an ally.

The unctuous Western advice to Israel to commit suicide is not in Israeli or Western interests.

As far as Canada, the U.S. and other allied nations go, Israel is a giant forward base. Picture WW II without the need to storm the Normandy beaches.

[Big Guy]

And that is the problem. If you have only one forward base then you can be manipulated because of the leverage that base provides. It is time for Canada and the West to look for and establish other bases. The current Israeli government is basically thumbing its nose at the West and ignoring any criticism. That is creating more and more tension in the ME.

I suggest that we are in danger of getting involved in a war that Israel wants to expand its borders with guaranteed support from the West. I suggest that we not continue to be manipulated and seek other allies in the ME.

[jbg]

And that is the problem. If you have only one forward base then you can be manipulated because of the leverage that base provides. It is time for Canada and the West to look for and establish other bases. The current Israeli government is basically thumbing its nose at the West and ignoring any criticism. That is creating more and more tension in the ME.

There are U.S. bases elsewhere in the Arab world. The trouble is that those countries are unreliable. Some, for example may be happy with an attack on Iran and not so happy with an attack on Iraq. Or Pakistan. Israel is the only utterly reliable country in that part of the world. Ever try using Egypt under Morsi as a base?

I suggest that we are in danger of getting involved in a war that Israel wants to expand its borders with guaranteed support from the West. I suggest that we not continue to be manipulated and seek other allies in the ME.

Which one is even likely to be reliable and not be in the midst of some turmoil?

[jacee]

I am Jewish, and proud of Jewish and Israeli accomplishments. This pride extends to the fact that they are a stable, pro-Western democracy.

If the Arabs stopped fighting and recognized Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state

Netanyahu would have to stop fighting and move to the center.

That's quite disingenuous, jbg.

There can be no peace until there is equal status - ie, a Palestinian state.

There can be no peace until Israel stops aggressively expanding via settlements.

There can be no peace until Israel stops demanding that others recognize its religion.

If the state of Israel wanted peace, Israel could have peace.

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[jbg]

That's quite disingenuous, jbg.

There can be no peace until there is equal status - ie, a Palestinian state.

There can be no peace until Israel stops aggressively expanding via settlements.

There can be no peace until Israel stops demanding that others recognize its religion.

If the state of Israel wanted peace, Israel could have peace.

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That is a recipe for surrender. Won't happen. If the Palestinians want peace so badly why don't they petition other Arab countries for some land?

[jacee]

That is a recipe for surrender. Won't happen. If the Palestinians want peace so badly why don't they petition other Arab countries for some land?

Surrender now hinges on "Jewish state" ?

If Israel wanted peace, Israel could have peace.

.

[jbg]

Surrender now hinges on "Jewish state" ?

If Israel wanted peace, Israel could have peace.

.

Unfortunately, the peace of the grave.

I spent some time at a graveyard last Friday burying my mother and throwing dirt onto the casket. Graveyards are very peaceful places.

Edited December 26, 2014 by jbg

[jacee]

Unfortunately, the peace of the grave.

I think that's overly pessimistic.

I spent some time at a graveyard last Friday burying my mother and throwing dirt onto the casket. Graveyards are very peaceful places.

I'm sorry for your loss.

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[Big Guy]

Israel continues to thumb their nose at the West. There is nothing that the government is doing to indicate that they want peace. Instead it continues to annex land and expand their settlement program - further antagonizing Palestinians.

http://www.voanews.com/content/reu-israel-approves-east-jerusalem-west-bank-settlement-homes/2573463.html

Israel has just given approval for the construction of 243 new homes on West Bank land that Israel annexed to Jerusalem, and advanced plans for another 270 homes in the same area, officials said to-day. Such moves run counter to calls by the United States and other world powers for Israel to freeze construction of new settler homes.

These are not the actions of a nation looking for peace. It shows no intention of listening to the West but expects support of the West.

It is time for the West to cut Israel loose and allow it to suffer the consequences of its actions.

[PrimeNumber]

Israel continues to thumb their nose at the West. There is nothing that the government is doing to indicate that they want peace. Instead it continues to annex land and expand their settlement program - further antagonizing Palestinians.

http://www.voanews.com/content/reu-israel-approves-east-jerusalem-west-bank-settlement-homes/2573463.html

Israel has just given approval for the construction of 243 new homes on West Bank land that Israel annexed to Jerusalem, and advanced plans for another 270 homes in the same area, officials said to-day. Such moves run counter to calls by the United States and other world powers for Israel to freeze construction of new settler homes.

These are not the actions of a nation looking for peace. It shows no intention of listening to the West but expects support of the West.

It is time for the West to cut Israel loose and allow it to suffer the consequences of its actions.

More violations of the 4th Geneva Convention by Israel. I guess international law doesn't apply to "allies" of the west, just the Muslims they oppose.

[bush_cheney2004]

Israel can do whatever it wishes to protect regional interests. The "West" will continue to support Israel. Canadian support is not significant or even required.