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You talkin' Mosul? So what? one battle does not a war make. You seem to think 800 guys with slingshots took over the area. Not so. 20-30k with some serious American hardware...Russian as well although that stuff is really old.

They got the American stuff after ~800 defeated 30k members of the Iraqi army in and around Mosul, as cited in the previous link...........now how do ~800 defeat ~30k, who have modern western hardware?

Or are you suggesting the report from several months back from the Iraqi government is false?

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Dre you think they have 1 tank, think again. They have a large aresenal that actually does include some mig's. They just don't know how to fly them. Thank God. But the airstrikes are taking care of that and will over time. Then all they will be is a bunch of crazy punks with goofy black and white flags. The locals will clean that up.

You dont even seem to read before you reply. My post estimated they have 30-50 tanks. Not one.

And the locals wont clean up anything. The locals would rather have ISIL in charge than the Iranian shia proxy that is the Iraqi central governments.

Thats the part you dont understand... The problem here isnt ISIL specifically, its that 20 Million sunnis are rejecting being ruled by Assad/Maliki. So if we send people in to fight ISIL what we are REALLY trying to do is force these people to accept being ruled by a rival sect. Its not going to work, and its a really stupid idea. Sunnis are going to see this as an attempt by outsiders to force them into Shia rule... we are not going to solve the problem, we are going to make it worse.

Your statement... "All we need to do is give the kurds a few AR's" illustrates exactly why this is such a bad idea. You support military intervention into a situation that have literally zero understanding of. This tragic underestimation of the task at hand, is the equivalent of the Bush administration saying the project in Iraq would take "a few months", and "pay for itself".

Pure unbridled fantasy.

I think your heart is in the right place... You see people doing abhorent and disgusting things, and the natural reaction is to want to crush them. But its really dangerous to actually formulate policy based on that alone, and ISIL is the direct result of us doing that in the first place.

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Nobody wants to be ruled by ISIL Granted the government left in place by the US was heavily Shia and that didn't work. Malaki is gone in case you didn't hear. The Kurds keep asking for more weapons and more airstrikes, and they are getting both as more and more countrys sign on. If Syrians are so happy with ISIL why are hundreds of thousands of them fleeing into Turkey? I think even a Sunni would rather be ruled by a Shia rather than have their head cut off if it came right down to it.

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I just watched the Russian speech at the UN. The Russian rep explained that they are shipping more arms to their friend Syria to help them against ISIS and to Iran to help them defend themselves from ISIS. Wow!

Apparently Syria also requested the USA to co-ordinate their air war with Syria so they could defeat ISIS together. Wow!

No new demands to have Western nuclear inspectors to go into Iran to check on their nuclear capabilities.

So now the bad guys Russians and giving arms to bad guys Syria so it can wipe out the good guy "moderate" rebels who are supposed to be the boots on the ground and finish ISIS off after the good guys USA, Britain, Canada et al bomb them into the ground. Makes sense to me - we got this thing in the bag!!!

The wild card could be Israel. This country which gets $billions of support yearly from the USA and has one of the strongest militaries in that part of the world is sitting on the sidelines while Canada, through Harper (an outspoken supporter of Israel) has declared that Canada "shall not sit on the sidelines and watch as....". How come Israel sits and watches as Canada jumps right in?

Bibi Netanyahu has recently equated and associated ISIS with Hezbollah and Hamas. He has had no problems with attacking them in the past, why not now?

Why is Israel not getting involved in this war which is taking place in their back yard?

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ISIS/ISIL is better equipped than many nations. They got all the stuff the USA left behind. Too expensive to bring back home they said.A1 Abrams, Humbees, MPCs ect and on and on. The Prophet thanks the USA for their contribution in the fight.

They have Russian and Chinese weapons as well.

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Nobody wants to be ruled by ISIL Granted the government left in place by the US was heavily Shia and that didn't work. Malaki is gone in case you didn't hear. The Kurds keep asking for more weapons and more airstrikes, and they are getting both as more and more countrys sign on. If Syrians are so happy with ISIL why are hundreds of thousands of them fleeing into Turkey? I think even a Sunni would rather be ruled by a Shia rather than have their head cut off if it came right down to it.

You're exactly right that nobody wants to be ruled by them. Anyone who suggests otherwise is either purposely lying, or unbelievably ignorant.

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Why is Israel not getting involved in this war which is taking place in their back yard?

Because the moment Israel got involved, people like yourself would lose all perspective and blame everything on Israel. The media would focus 100% on Israel ignoring all other parts of the conflict. The UN would proclaim that the only way to achieve peace with IS would be to give it half of Israel's land. And many "liberals" would leap to the defense of poor IS "civilians" who never did anything bad besides chopping off a few heads being cruelly targeted by evil-zionist-imperialist-international-banker-conspiracy-9/11-orchestrating-genocidal-neonazis. That's why.

The best way for Israel to escape the irrational hatred of the ignorant is to stay out of the news.

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Because the moment Israel got involved, people like yourself would lose all perspective and blame everything on Israel. The media would focus 100% on Israel ignoring all other parts of the conflict. The UN would proclaim that the only way to achieve peace with IS would be to give it half of Israel's land. And many "liberals" would leap to the defense of poor IS "civilians" who never did anything bad besides chopping off a few heads being cruelly targeted by evil-zionist-imperialist-international-banker-conspiracy-9/11-orchestrating-genocidal-neonazis. That's why.

The best way for Israel to escape the irrational hatred of the ignorant is to stay out of the news.

An interesting perspective. Thank you for anticipating my perspective and trying to lump me into some group which you seem to discount.

Please do not give me this "liberals" or "conservatives" crap. We have a major international confrontation that has evolved into a war and is on the precipice of becoming another fiasco. Another "crusade" of the West into the Middle East to protect them from themselves and "teach them" how they should govern themselves and we have a Canadian PM who is on record as going along with that concept.

The facts are that there is an alliance of a number of nations who have chosen to join this war against ISIS. This alliance is made up of various nations (many whose participation is miniscule and are there for optics) who are located far, far away from the field of war. ISIS would have to sweep through the Middle East, including Israel, before it would become a threat to the USA or Canada. Meanwhile, the USA, Canada and a whole bunch of countries not in the proximity, are out there fighting this war.

WHERE IS ISRAEL?

Why are we considering sending Canadian military into that potential killing field while the Israeli military is watching this war in their back yard and sitting on their hands.

The best way for Israel to escape having to lose any citizens or soldiers is to sit back and allow others to put their lives on the line to protect Tel Aviv.

Canada is being played like a fine fiddle by ISIS, Israel, USA, Russia, Syria and Iran. This is the dumbest "expedition" that any Canadian government has ever been involved.

If you believe that Western intervention in:

Vietnam was a good thing, was a successful effort and well worth the blood and treasure

Somalia was a good thing, was a successful effort and well worth the blood and treasure

Iraq was a good thing, was a successful effort and well worth the blood and treasure

Libya was a good thing, was a successful effort and well worth the blood and treasure

Afghanistan was a good thing, was a successful effort and well worth the blood and treasure

then you may believe that this ISIS expedition will be a good thing, will be a successful effort and will be well worth the blood and treasure

I DO NOT!

Good grief!

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...WHERE IS ISRAEL ?

then you may believe that this ISIS expedition will be a good thing, will be a successful effort and will be well worth the blood and treasure

I DO NOT!

That's all well and good, but why doesn't Israel have the exact same prerogative to engage or not engage, just like Canada? How did this get turned unto yet another "Israel" thread?

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then you may believe that this ISIS expedition will be a good thing, will be a successful effort and will be well worth the blood and treasure

No, of course it's not worth it. It's dumb and ultimately futile just like every intervention in the middle east. The only thing we should consider doing is to provide aid/means for threatened populations to escape genocide, but that's it. Arming various groups there is also dumb, more weapons in the hands of middle eastern crazies is the last thing the world needs.

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C'mon Big Guy, you know Israel wouldn't touch this with a barge pole and nor should they. Talk about throwing gasoline on a fire! For one thing, The US would never allow that.

Why? What gives Israel a pass on this war in their back yard? This "thing" is already on fire and maybe it is time to let it burn itself out. Why is the world allowing the USA to decide who should and who should not be involved in international conflicts?

What do you think would happen if Israel, who depends on the USA for almost all of its military resources, joins an American led war?

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What do you think would happen if Israel, who depends on the USA for almost all of its military resources, joins an American led war?

As already explained, the war would become all about Israel and all about the evil Jews in the minds of most of the world's population. Heck, in your mind it's apparently already about Israel, and it hasn't even done anything!

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As already explained, the war would become all about Israel and all about the evil Jews in the minds of most of the world's population. Heck, in your mind it's apparently already about Israel, and it hasn't even done anything!

It's not all about Israel and I really am not concerned what is in the minds of those who are prejudiced against any race, culture or nation. The reason I am posting this is exactly because Israel "hasn't even done anything". Every other nation in the area, every one of which has a tenuous relationship with the USA, has taken a stand. Israel has not. Why are they getting a pass?

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