ISIS Declares Islamic State.

[BubberMiley]

Listen, if you are going to try name calling, it comes off sounding real weak when you use the same term you were called. It's kind of like saying, "I know you are but what am I?" Calling me babbling is also quite the opposite of my short to the point posts.

Your hatred, quite simply, reveals itself in the repetitive obsessed way you accuse Israel of all these silly baseless conspiracies, crimes and cultures(that was especially creative laugher). You hate Jews. You need to come to grips with this, it's made you into a bitter small minded person that gets the vapours every time Israel is mentioned in the news.

You should try, for once, to try to formulate an argument without calling people names. It might raise the quality of your posts.

[bush_cheney2004]

You should try, for once, to try to formulate an argument without calling people names. It might raise the quality of your posts.

LOL! This coming from the prolific purveyor of name calling based on "girls from Regina".

[BubberMiley]

LOL! This coming from the prolific purveyor of name calling based on "girls from Regina".

I'm sorry, but I don't recall calling you names. I think you have me mistaken for someone else.

[Michael Hardner]

Stop the insults and focus on the discussion please.

[Topaz]

Yes, they are and do you know why?? They don't like the way GW invaded Iraq and they don't like the way the West or NATO tries to take control over the Middle-East, all for its natural resources. Right or wrong, they aren't doing anything different than any westerner or NATO country citizen wouldn't do. IF we don't care enough or understand the WHY, the world will never be at peace in that region.

[Rue]

Dre in my personal opinion from the views I have read from you in your latest response to me and previous responses on this thread and numerous others evidence a continuous exercise of:

1- condoning, justifying, and supporting Muslim extremist terrorism, particularly when its directed at Israel or anyone who supports Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state;

2-condoning personal attacks on posters as being fake Jews;

3-stating in one opinion being Jewish is not relevant to the discussion on ISIS, then in the next opinion contradicting yourself by claiming to be a Jew in direct context to apologize and rationalize attacking another poster a fake Jew ;

4-using the pretext of discussing Israeli state policy to justify making personal attacks or engaging in violence and terrorism on Jews or anyone who supports the right of Jews to live in a state collective.

I also find that in regards to the words of Jacee and Hudson Jones referring to Zionism as a cancer that needs to be wiped out:

1-that this is a reference calling for the wiping out of Israelis or any Jews or anyone who choose to support Israel and the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state;

2-that such comments justify, condone, support, welcome and incite extremist, hateful, violent opinions about not just Zionists but all supporters of Israel and all Jews.

I with to make it clear I found your latest response trying to justify a personal attack on JBG as being a fake Jew a vile exercise of anti-Semitic pandering, specifically, you have tried to rationalize a poster attacking another as a fake Jew by inferring since you are a Jew, you have the right to say its acceptable to attack other people personally as fake Jews.

In regards to this specific topic, you falsely described ISIS as having existed over 10 years. It has not. It evolved out of Al Quaeda and continues to evolve.

In fact yesterday during bombing attacks the US was clear to establish it not only attacked Al Quaeda but Caliphant or Kaliphant another cell of terrorists affiliated with both ISIS and AL Quaeda directly proving my point and that is that ISIS,Al Quaeda,what ever names we choose to use are just references to splinter cells of Muslim Sunni extremists continually evolving.

As we speak certain Shiite terror cells have now been recruited into the regular Iraqi Armed forces and Kurdish refugees are fleeing of whom some will form Kurdish armed cells to fight back.

The constant mutation of cells of armed and conflicted Muslims and non Muslims of the Middle East will continue. The crippling of ISIS and Al Quaeda and Caliphant will result in a power vacuum creating an imbalance in favour of Shiite extremists which willwmpoer Hezbollah, Iran and probably result in new cells splintering off from Hezbollah and Iran that are just as likely to attack the West as Sunni extremists.

Therein lies the real issue that you Dre do not comprehend and that is the extremists whether they be Shiite or Sunni are equally as dangerous and supporting or arming either side will come back to haunt not just the West but Putin. Chechnyan terrorists now assisting Al Quaeda and ISIL will come back to bite his ass just like I will yours when you make ridiculous comments and responses.

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Edited September 24, 2014 by Rue

[GostHacked]

....if you want to talk absurd.

Rue, why not call dre an anti-semite? Opps, that has been done already. Being critical of Israel is not being critical of all Jews. You lose every single argument Rue, when you drop the anti-semite card and calling everyone who disagrees with Israeli polices, jew-haters.

There are even Jews who are critical of Israel and Zionist policies. Are they fake self hating anti-semite jews??

The only reason you come on MLW is to defend jews and Israel. Nothing more. You don't give much of a crap about ISIS or other radical terror groups. Your rants are getting reall tiring and not many read them any more.

How many times can you violate forum rules by calling others names like anti-semite and bigots? You are abrasive and rude like you say. You don't make any valid or worthwhile contributions anymore.

I'll throw this in as it should ruffle some feathers around here.

[BubberMiley]

I say the same for Jacee, Hudson Jones, Eye. I also consider Blubber Miley's comments to the debate on the Middle East limited to personal attacks on others he disagrees with.

I don't recall making any personal attacks. I believe I just took issue with name-calling, which you continue to do because you have no coherent argument against the people you attack. Most reasonable people don't consider opposition to Zionism equivalent to supporting terrorism. In fact, they would consider Zionism to be the opposite---that is, ultimately nurturing terrorism. Edited September 24, 2014 by BubberMiley

[dre]

Listen, if you are going to try name calling, it comes off sounding real weak when you use the same term you were called. It's kind of like saying, "I know you are but what am I?" Calling me babbling is also quite the opposite of my short to the point posts.

Your hatred, quite simply, reveals itself in the repetitive obsessed way you accuse Israel of all these silly baseless conspiracies, crimes and cultures(that was especially creative laugher). You hate Jews. You need to come to grips with this, it's made you into a bitter small minded person that gets the vapours every time Israel is mentioned in the news.

This is really just a strategy for argument more than anything of substance. Being critical of the actions of a nation state does not in any way make you a racist. Its a complete and total logical fallacy to suggest otherwise.

Israel, Canada, US, Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, etc etc. These are nation states. You can have a negative opinion of the things these nation states do that has nothing to do with the ethnic or religious makeup of the population.

In the case of Israel, the immediate charges of racism made against anyone that critisizes Israeli policy, are usually just standard operating procedure.

[eyeball]

In the case of Israel, the immediate charges of racism made against anyone that critisizes Israeli policy, are usually just standard operating procedure.

It's a vast Rueish conspiracy I tell's ya.

[marcus]

Rue will forever be a victim.

[dre]

Therein lies the real issue that you Dre do not comprehend and that is the extremists whether they be Shiite or Sunni are equally as dangerous and supporting or arming either side will come back to haunt not just the West but Putin. Chechnyan terrorists now assisting Al Quaeda and ISIL will come back to bite his ass just like I will yours when you make ridiculous comments and responses.

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As usual its just impossible to understand what youre incoherent babble and bleating and wretching is even in reference to. I havent suggested supporting or arming either side, in fact I have clearly said that I think getting involved WILL come back to bite us in the ass.

just like I will yours when you make ridiculous comments and responses.

That would be great, except that you never do. You bleat and wretch and moan and fail miserably to even address a single thing I say or provide any kind of source as a rebuttle to any of the assertions I make. And half the time its impossible to even know what youre talking about because you dont know how to use the QUOTE feature, or you just flat out fabricate the positions you are responding to.

[bush_cheney2004]

Rue will forever be a victim.

No....the point is exactly the opposite of that....don't be a victim. Terrorists (like Hamas or ISIL)....and their supporters...will be the victims.

[jbg]

I don't recall making any personal attacks. I believe I just took issue with name-calling, which you continue to do because you have no coherent argument against the people you attack. Most reasonable people don't consider opposition to Zionism equivalent to supporting terrorism. In fact, they would consider Zionism to be the opposite---that is, ultimately nurturing terrorism.

Your personal attacks on me have been non-stop.

[Rue]

In regards to GhostH, when I have alleged someone has been an anti-Semite, I have been very specific and precise why. I have never come on this forum and used the term in a manner to simply question Israeli foreign policy or military actions.

In regards to Blubber Miley I make the same reponse. Never have I suggested simply because someone is anti Zionist that automatically makes them a hater of Jews. I will say this again though-the posters on this forum who have engaged in claiming they do not criticize Jews, just Zionist Jews exhibit a type of anti-Semitism. They may not think it does but I argue it does for these reasons:

I-it presumes these people who denounce Zionist Jews, get to define who are "acceptable" and "unacceptable" Jews;

II-it presumes to tell Jews what their place is on this planet, and that is stateless;

III-It manifests bigotry and a double standard that says loudly, Muslims can have states, Christians can have states and multiple states at that, but Jews can't have one state which is necessarily discriminatory against Jews who simply want the same right to form a state collective as non Jews already have;

IV-The posters I challenge have gone much further than stating the only good Jew is a non Zionist Jew, they openly call for the wiping out of Zionist Jews-don't even attempt to tell me when someone says wipe out Zionism they do not mean wipeout ZIonist Jews, Zionist supporters.

This topic is about ISIS not any of us. The personal attacks derail the topic. I give out as much as I take. Anyone who wants to whine about that can go to the moderator. We all are guilty of doing it. Some of us though act like they do not. We all can do a better job of remaining non personal.

You want me to say I failed in that regard, I have and we all have at times.

The issue here is ISIS, Al Quaeda, the Calphant, Hezbollah, Hamas, Islimic Jihad, Palestinian Jihad, Fatah Hawks, Fatah Eagles, the Palestinian Liberation Front, and hundreds of extremist Muslim extremistterrorist cells mutating and evolving in constellation and temporary alliances.

We saw yesterday a French citizen beheaded in Algeria. The cells exist across the Muslim world. We see extremists being recruited from Canada and the US. Now we hear talk of a young man from Hamilton and originally from Somalia called Muhammed Muhammed Muhammed (yes first, middle and last name) who his friends called Moe cubed or Moe-3.

He now is said to have been recruited and killed fighting overseas. As we speak young Muslims in the West whether that be in Europe, the US, Canada, South America, like young Muslims in Northern and Southern Africa, Asia and the Middle East are being recruited to join terror cells in the name of Allah and Islam.

The world is faced with the possibility of Muslim terrorist attacks across the West and elsewhere.

The Muslim extremists are both Sunni and Shiite, and hate their own people as much as they hate the different sects of Islam other than their own and we non Muslims.

That is the crux of ISIS, Al Quaeda, on and on.

I say directly to the whole lot of you who drip apology after apology rationalizing this terrorism, that Muslim intolerance for fellow Muslims, for non Muslims, existed before Western intervention and would have continued to exist without Western intervention.

Because the West choice to become dependent on oil, it has allowed itself to get caught up trying to prop Arab oil supply allies yes. That is not the sole cause nor has it ever been the sole cause of Muslim fundamentalism and terrorism.

When Arab countries today choose to be corrupt, rip off their own citizens, use their military and police to kill their political opponents, blaming the West is a crock..

Isis is Muslim extremism no more no less. Isis and the whole bloody lot of these terrorist cells are a cancer that need to be wiped out by Muslims, Jews, Christians, all of us.

Therein lies the difference between me and Jacee, J Jones and the rest of the lot of these apologists. I do not select out all Muslims and blame them for Muslim extremism. I also don't question their right to have Muslim states.I don't suggest they have no right to a country and if they don't separate their religion from their state they are a cancer to be wiped out.

I do not come on this board and with one breath argue anyone who supports a Jewish state is a cancer to be wiped out. I also do not come on this forum and argue Muslims are a cancer to be wiped out because they have Muslim states.

I don't select and create double standards like Dre, Eye, Jacee HJones, and the rest of the anti Israeli apologists.

I call them out directly on this thread and to their face and say-you are apologists of the worst kind. You will spew venom at Jews for wanting to be a state collective and rationalize what Hamas did to them and ignore what Hamas did to its own people and you now remain silent on the fact that the very Muslim extremism that will not recognize Israel as a state and kills its own people, is the same venomous hateful ideology that fuels Al Queda, Isis,etc.

Go on mince words. Couch your words. Play your double standard. I will call it out for what it is.

I can't stand Obama's policies but I welcome the US leading the blowing up of ISIS or any other sob terrorist.

Obama is an idiot. He should have never gotten into bed with Al Quaeda.Now he has to clean up his mistake so be it.

This is now a war that threatens all Western democracies. These terrorists are not going to stop. This is not about cute little Lawrence of Arabia movie with Arabs that giggle and run along next to Peter O'Toole.

These are violent, ignorant, thugs that need to be wiped out for the sake of not just the West but all of humanity.

Zionism is not sending Jews all over the world to blow it up Hudson Jones. It will however crush anyone that tries invade Israel to destroy its people.

Israel has been facing since 1949 what the West is only beginning to wake up to.

Edited September 25, 2014 by Rue

[dre]

I call them out directly on this thread and to their face and say-you are apologists of the worst kind.

No you dont... You just bleat wretch and moan, insult people, and invent peoples positions for them. Then when asked to back up your accusations you run and hide. Thats not calling anyone out... its a comedy act.

[BubberMiley]

Your personal attacks on me have been non-stop.

Saying anonymous people on the internet may not be the people they say they are is not a personal attack.

But please try and stay on topic.

[jbg]

Saying anonymous people on the internet may not be the people they say they are is not a personal attack.

But please try and stay on topic.

For the record:

1. I am a lawyer;
2. I am Jewish (a Reform Jew); and
3. I was born in New York City and now work in New York City. At all times other than college and law school I have lived in New York City or within 45 kms. of New York City.

Next?

[BubberMiley]

For the record:

For the record, I think people just want to discuss politics, not your anonymous claim of identity.

I do wonder, however, given Obama's recent coalition to attack ISIS, how some can consider him any different from any Republican president.

Edited September 29, 2014 by BubberMiley

[Argus]

Well the Syrian rebels were the 'good guys' up until their foray into Iraq and Kurdistan.

All of them? Even the extremists? I seem to recall there was always a distinction made.

[jbg]

For the record, I think people just want to discuss politics, not your anonymous claim of identity.

I do wonder, however, given Obama's recent coalition to attack ISIS, how some can consider him any different from any Republican president.

Who said I favored Bush's "coalition of the willing"? I actually favor as a permanent coalition the following:

1. U.S.
2. Canada
3. United Kingdom
4. Australia
5. New Zealand
6. Israel; (and perhaps)
7. Poland.

I do not favor involving countries that don't share our values, have no resources, or are going to be a drag.

[GostHacked]

I do not favor involving countries that don't share our values, have no resources, or are going to be a drag.

Saudi Arabia do not share our values. Neither does Qatar or Bahrain. But yet they seem to be involved in assisting the West to combat others who act just like Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Bahrain.

Try to reconcile that.

[jbg]

Saudi Arabia do not share our values. Neither does Qatar or Bahrain. But yet they seem to be involved in assisting the West to combat others who act just like Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Bahrain.

Try to reconcile that.

It's called "the enemy of your enemy is your friend."

[GostHacked]

It's called "the enemy of your enemy is your friend."

Yeah that's worked out well before hasn't it!!!!!!! The definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over again and expecting a different result.

[dre]

For the record:

1. I am a lawyer;
2. I am Jewish (a Reform Jew)

Sure ya are!