Guest Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 For the record, Americans did not invent license plates. I think France did....blame them instead. Me? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Me? No....the OP seeks to blame this troops and license plate affair on "Americanization", when in fact the basic license plates can be traced back to Europe. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 No....the OP seeks to blame this troops and license plate affair on "Americanization", when in fact the basic license plates can be traced back to Europe. Forgive them. They're part of the blame America first, and blame America for anything crowd. We detest them up here as well. Quote
Guest Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 (edited) No....the OP seeks to blame this troops and license plate affair on "Americanization", when in fact the basic license plates can be traced back to Europe. I'm sorry. I thought you had misread my post. Edited November 10, 2013 by bcsapper Quote
ReeferMadness Posted November 10, 2013 Author Report Posted November 10, 2013 Forgive them. They're part of the blame America first, and blame America for anything crowd. We detest them up here as well. I'm not blaming Americans that Albertans are following their lead by glorifying war. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
GostHacked Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Go for the whole look. Get those stickers and yellow ribbons. You want to support the troops? Help them when they get back, that is the time and place they are going to need the most help. Slogans on license plates and everything like that only denigrates these people. Empty words. Quote
AngusThermopyle Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Okay, did any of you who object actually read the linked article? Right here, second paragraph in it states. The total cost to get one of the yellow ribbon licence plates is $150, with revenue from the sale of the plates to go directly to the Support our Troops campaign to help members of the Forces and their families in Alberta. So for all who are saying "how does this support the troops" or "this just glorifies war", there is your answer. Of course you may be someone who just doesn't give a damn about our people in uniform, that's fine after all that is your right. Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
eyeball Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 I think that there is a big difference between supporting those who follow orders and go to fight where those "arm chair generals" in Ottawa decide to send them and supporting those cowards in Ottawa who send Canadians out to die to satisfy selfish political agendas. How many politicians and/or members of the families of these elected folks in Ottawa were killed or injured during that fiasco in Afghanistan? It's hard to spot that difference when so many who do follow orders (troops/cops/firemen/soccer moms etc etc) crowd behind the politicians when they're making their often grandiose pronouncements in the latest war on fill-in-blank-here. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Okay, did any of you who object actually read the linked article? Right here, second paragraph in it states. So for all who are saying "how does this support the troops" or "this just glorifies war", there is your answer. Of course you may be someone who just doesn't give a damn about our people in uniform, that's fine after all that is your right. Why aren't the politicians and government supporting them? You'd think after all the photo-op support troops often give these there'd be a little quid pro quo happening but apparently not. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 How many politicians and/or members of the families of these elected folks in Ottawa were killed or injured during that fiasco in Afghanistan? Wasn't there a time when the leaders of opposing nations/interests were thrown into a pit to settle their differences amongst themselves? If there wasn't, there should be. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Smallc Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 But of course, support for the troops and the glorification of war was just fine for Canada and the Empire's great world wars. Amazing how it permeated politics up north. http://www.canadaatwar.ca/forums/showthread.php?p=7837 Please stay on topic....we were talking about license plates in Alberta, Canada and the glorification of war. The topic was license plates. Do try to stick to it. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted November 10, 2013 Author Report Posted November 10, 2013 Okay, did any of you who object actually read the linked article? Right here, second paragraph in it states. So for all who are saying "how does this support the troops" or "this just glorifies war", there is your answer. Of course you may be someone who just doesn't give a damn about our people in uniform, that's fine after all that is your right. You really want to support the troops? Write your MP and demand that we stop sending people into pointless wars. It's better for people to have all their limbs than have a disability pension and be in a wheelchair. I do care about the troops in the same way I care about other people I don't know. I don't like to see anyone get hurt or die needlessly. But don't tell me that "they're dying for my freedoms". That's a political statement. I can appreciate that parents and family of dead soldiers may need to believe it because otherwise they have to face the fact that their kids/spouses/parents/siblings died for nothing. Here's something for you to consider. The troops volunteered, knowing what they were getting into. The same can't be said for the civilian casualties on the ground in Afghanistan and Iraq. Over there, kids are orphaned, mutilated and killed. What are you doing to support them?? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Topaz Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 I think the ONLY way for Canadians to support our troops is to put the pressure on the government, being the Harper government, to give whatever help they need and quit treating so disgustingly. They have made cuts to the DND so much that they are kicking out soldiers who still need help, so the DND won't have to pay for their keep. They want the old rules back, that the Harper government took away. A former soldier on CTV today, didn't mixed his words of what he thought of the present government treatment of soldiers that Harper sent to Afghanistan. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted November 10, 2013 Author Report Posted November 10, 2013 Wasn't there a time when the leaders of opposing nations/interests were thrown into a pit to settle their differences amongst themselves? If there wasn't, there should be. yes. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Here's something for you to consider. The troops volunteered, knowing what they were getting into. The same can't be said for the civilian casualties on the ground in Afghanistan and Iraq. Over there, kids are orphaned, mutilated and killed. What are you doing to support them?? Then by all means, please sport some license plates that support tham instead and see how far that goes. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
ReeferMadness Posted November 10, 2013 Author Report Posted November 10, 2013 Then by all means, please sport some license plates that support tham instead and see how far that goes. Not a bad thought. Know where I can get some? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Not a bad thought. Know where I can get some? Try Taliban.com....I hear that the CIA tracks them by their vanity license plates. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dre Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 I think these kinds of statements should be left up to individuals. I think its fine that some people like to display such symbols, but when the government itself tries to encourage the idolitry of its own security apparatus it makes me uncomfortable, and unfortunately support of the troops has become a political hammer used to bludgeon political opponents of specific military policy. Displays of patriotism, nationalism, and military idolitry should be real, unscripted, and not organized by the state. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
ReeferMadness Posted November 10, 2013 Author Report Posted November 10, 2013 I think these kinds of statements should be left up to individuals. I think its fine that some people like to display such symbols, but when the government itself tries to encourage the idolitry of its own security apparatus it makes me uncomfortable, and unfortunately support of the troops has become a political hammer used to bludgeon political opponents of specific military policy. Displays of patriotism, nationalism, and military idolitry should be real, unscripted, and not organized by the state. Hopefully, nationalism and military idolatry don't happen much in Canada. Neither is pretty and both have been used by tyrants and tyrant-wannabe's to get the population to readily go do war. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Army Guy Posted November 15, 2013 Report Posted November 15, 2013 What about damn those people whose violent tendencies and lack of judgement cause them to want to send to send troops into pointless wars in faraway places? Or damn those people who want to cut taxes to the bone and use whatever little tax revenue remains to purchase expensive war toys despite lack of evidence that they actually make us safer? Or damn those people who really don't give a rats ass how many people get killed in wars, as long as they are poor and dark-skinned? If you really want to support the troops, exercise better judgement about how and when they are sent in to kill people. Then, more of us will be able to fully support the troops. You are aware of our nations defensive agreements, our foreign policy, because it does not sound like it. Are you suggesting that we raise taxes to pay for our defensive agreements, and the equipment we need to do the job. Those expensive war toys are what is going to give our military members the edge in combat,unless of course your saying "screw them" their lives are not worth the money...because when it comes to it once our government decides to send troops we are going whether or not it is in a iltis jeep, or an F-35.... That is one of the many reasons that define Supporting our troops. Making sure we have the right equipment to do the job that has been assigned. Being poor and darked skin has nothing to do with our defensive agreements or foreign policy. As a nation our enemies can be any skin color or rich or poor. Most Canadians know that. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted November 15, 2013 Report Posted November 15, 2013 Do any of you find it alittle ironic that we have to sell plates to help fund soldiers projects...Does that not send a message to anyone that perhaps our Federal government is not doing enough, or could do alittle more.... SUPPORTING our troops is more than just buying a bumper sticker, or magnetic strip that says you do. It's voicing your opinion to our local, provincial, federal governments that you think we are not living up to your side of the bargin. which is having our soldiers back at all times, not just on NOV 11 , but all year around.... Our Nations Soldiers have always had your back, they have risked life and limb around the world 24 hours of everyday,of every year since our countries inception. the volunteered, because they where proud to do so, they seen what not every Canadian sees, A great nation worth all the sacrifices we are asked to endure, and a people that we would risk our lives for.... Yes including those that do not really care what our soldiers do in their name.. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
The_Squid Posted November 15, 2013 Report Posted November 15, 2013 (edited) Well said Army Guy. This government has chronically underfunded things like healthcare, including for veterans, as well as gov't departments like Veterans Affairs, and it is getting worse. Edited November 15, 2013 by The_Squid Quote
MiddleClassCentrist Posted November 23, 2013 Report Posted November 23, 2013 Yeah, damn those people that support our troops. Damn them to hell! Support Our Troops - Bring them Home instead of having them push corporate agendas. Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
ReeferMadness Posted November 24, 2013 Author Report Posted November 24, 2013 You are aware of our nations defensive agreements, our foreign policy, because it does not sound like it. Are you suggesting that we raise taxes to pay for our defensive agreements, and the equipment we need to do the job. Those expensive war toys are what is going to give our military members the edge in combat,unless of course your saying "screw them" their lives are not worth the money...because when it comes to it once our government decides to send troops we are going whether or not it is in a iltis jeep, or an F-35.... That is one of the many reasons that define Supporting our troops. Making sure we have the right equipment to do the job that has been assigned. Being poor and darked skin has nothing to do with our defensive agreements or foreign policy. As a nation our enemies can be any skin color or rich or poor. Most Canadians know that. If I could be assured that the arms would be used purely for defensive purposes, I would be fine spending whatever we needed. That's not what is happening. Nobody wins a war except for the people who sell arms. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted November 24, 2013 Author Report Posted November 24, 2013 Support Our Troops - Bring them Home instead of having them push corporate agendas. Exactly. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
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