Topaz Posted June 2, 2012 Report Posted June 2, 2012 Rumour is that Harper may be knighted!!!! The FIRST PM of Canada to be charge with contempt of Parliament is going to be knighted? It must be a rumour only issue! I thought Canadians couldn't be. http://www.bourque.org/ BTW, look to the upper left of page to see this. Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted June 2, 2012 Report Posted June 2, 2012 Rumour is that Harper may be knighted!!!! The FIRST PM of Canada to be charge with contempt of Parliament is going to be knighted? It must be a rumour only issue! I thought Canadians couldn't be. http://www.bourque.org/ BTW, look to the upper left of page to see this. Good for Mr. Harper if he does get knighted. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
punked Posted June 2, 2012 Report Posted June 2, 2012 Good for Mr. Harper if he does get knighted. Yah good for him he will be rolling back Canadian independence signal handedly. Screw Nickle Resolution in 1917 we want to be closer the sinking ship Britain. What a waste. Quote
PIK Posted June 2, 2012 Report Posted June 2, 2012 Yah good for him he will be rolling back Canadian independence signal handedly. Screw Nickle Resolution in 1917 we want to be closer the sinking ship Britain. What a waste. Actually it is about our history and why we have the greatest country in the world, but unfortunitly we have people like you that does not understand out history. Progressives , lets rewrite history to what we want and not what really happened. Let me guess , you would think obama would be a better PM then harper? Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
punked Posted June 2, 2012 Report Posted June 2, 2012 (edited) Actually it is about our history and why we have the greatest country in the world, but unfortunitly we have people like you that does not understand out history. Progressives , lets rewrite history to what we want and not what really happened. Let me guess , you would think obama would be a better PM then harper? Our history? Our history is in 1914 WE Canada entered WW1 as just another common wealth country supporting the King. We found our selves as a country in that war OUR PARLIAMENT (which happened to be one of the only times we had a coalition of all federal parties working together under one united government) passed the Nickel Resolution. Our Parliament and its leaders said it is time for Canada to strike out on our own. We punched way above our weight in that War came out of it as a stronger country one that wanted to be something different something better to move away from the crown. We then went on to create our own form of knighthood called the order of Canada. That is our History. We aren't British we are Canadian. Get over it already. The idea we don't need knighthoods Canadians don't need knighthoods is our history. Better go read up on it. No PM has been knighted from WW1 onward for a very import reason. It defined us as an independent nation and our leaders as people who have allegiances to Canadians. That is what the Nickel resolution is about. It isn't something to spat on it is something to be celebrated. I am starting to get tired of people repeating talking with out anything to back it up. You speak in slogans while I speak in facts. It is a sad state of affairs we have dropped this far in our public discourse. Edited June 2, 2012 by punked Quote
Machjo Posted June 2, 2012 Report Posted June 2, 2012 Actually it is about our history and why we have the greatest country in the world, but unfortunitly we have people like you that does not understand out history. Progressives , lets rewrite history to what we want and not what really happened. Let me guess , you would think obama would be a better PM then harper? Which history? You mean the one where we discovered the Europeans or where we discovered the America's, or the one where we discovered one another? It's all a matter of perspective and depending on how you define "we". Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
PIK Posted June 2, 2012 Report Posted June 2, 2012 Which history? You mean the one where we discovered the Europeans or where we discovered the America's, or the one where we discovered one another? It's all a matter of perspective and depending on how you define "we". LOL Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
scribblet Posted June 2, 2012 Report Posted June 2, 2012 Good for Mr. Harper - and rightly so Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Tilter Posted June 2, 2012 Report Posted June 2, 2012 Which history? You mean the one where we discovered the Europeans or where we discovered the America's, or the one where we discovered one another? It's all a matter of perspective and depending on how you define "we". Which also raises the question--- who discovered North America?--- Whoever it was it happened long before the Nordic sailors came here or the french brought the "blessing" of religion to this continent (along with Measles, small pox, Gonorrhoea, Syphilis, Hudson Bay blankets & Indian reservations death & the death of the way of life) to a group of people who were happily living in their ignorance & freedom and who would be far happier today if all the "discoverers" ships had met up with the perfect storm. Quote
WWWTT Posted June 2, 2012 Report Posted June 2, 2012 If Harper ever accepted a titular honour he would go down in history as the most unpatriotic PM in Canadian history!!! He is not going to ever accept any titular honour.He would not be that stupid! If he wanted to accept the title he would have to renounce his Canadian citizenship! Or at the very least he would have to leave Canada much like Richard Bennet did. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Signals.Cpl Posted June 2, 2012 Report Posted June 2, 2012 If Harper ever accepted a titular honour he would go down in history as the most unpatriotic PM in Canadian history!!! He is not going to ever accept any titular honour.He would not be that stupid! If he wanted to accept the title he would have to renounce his Canadian citizenship! Or at the very least he would have to leave Canada much like Richard Bennet did. WWWTT How does being knighted make Harper unpatriotic? What does Citizenship have to do with knighthood? And why would he leave Canada should he be knighted? Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Moonlight Graham Posted June 2, 2012 Report Posted June 2, 2012 (edited) http://www.bourque.org/ BTW, look to the upper left of page to see this. Your source is a few phrases at the top of an amateur website? That doesn't even have an article or any context/info whatsoever? Edited June 2, 2012 by Moonlight Graham Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Argus Posted June 2, 2012 Report Posted June 2, 2012 Yah good for him he will be rolling back Canadian independence signal handedly. Screw Nickle Resolution in 1917 we want to be closer the sinking ship Britain. What a waste. You just don't like the British because they're so left wing. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Wild Bill Posted June 2, 2012 Report Posted June 2, 2012 Rumour is that Harper may be knighted!!!! The FIRST PM of Canada to be charge with contempt of Parliament is going to be knighted? It must be a rumour only issue! I thought Canadians couldn't be. http://www.bourque.org/ BTW, look to the upper left of page to see this. You are truly amazing, Topaz. Instead of being proud of Harper if he receives such an honour from our Queen (NOT from Britain! From our Queen! There IS a difference!) you instead have to let your own prejudices dominate your POV. I suspect you think only Liberals should ever be honoured with anything... Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Wilber Posted June 2, 2012 Report Posted June 2, 2012 A knighthood is simply an honour given for service like the Order of Canada. The only real difference is that non British citizens are not prevented from receiving it. It is not unusual for Canada to bestow honours on foreign citizens that this country thinks has done good things for the world. Nelson Mandela was granted honorary Canadian citizenship for one. Should he have had to give up his South African citizenship to receive it? Time for this country to grow up and be flattered when another country wants to honour one of ours instead of thinking it is some kind of threat to our sovereignty. Whether Harper should be one of them is a separate question. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
WWWTT Posted June 3, 2012 Report Posted June 3, 2012 Just so that we can have some clarification here,titular honor is not the same as being granted an award or citizenship. Titular honor or knighthood has a title attached to that. Such as Sir John A. MacDonald or Sir Paul McCartney.(there's a bunch of others such as baron etc,etc)As well there are other countries other than England that have titular honors. Titular honors are not allowed to be used by Canadians(Nickle resolution) regardless of what country or monarchy gave them and Canada does not grant them. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Wilber Posted June 3, 2012 Report Posted June 3, 2012 (edited) Just so that we can have some clarification here,titular honor is not the same as being granted an award or citizenship. Titular honor or knighthood has a title attached to that. Such as Sir John A. MacDonald or Sir Paul McCartney.(there's a bunch of others such as baron etc,etc)As well there are other countries other than England that have titular honors. Titular honors are not allowed to be used by Canadians(Nickle resolution) regardless of what country or monarchy gave them and Canada does not grant them. WWWTT So what. Canada and Canadians are under no obligation to recognize any awards or titles conferred by other countries. Canada is just being anal. He might be Sir Steven in the UK but here he would still be just Stevie. Edited June 3, 2012 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
August1991 Posted June 3, 2012 Report Posted June 3, 2012 What a thread. Stephen Harper is not going to be knighted. End of story. Meanwhile... A knighthood is simply an honour given for service like the Order of Canada.Not quite.The honours list is increasingly an affair of party contributions: Another new year, another honours list and yet another unseemly uproar. At least six of the recipients on the New Year’s list who were honoured for their philanthropic activities just happened to have donated big bucks to political parties.Paul Ruddock, James Wates, James Lupton and Doug Ellis, who gave the Tories almost £1 million between them, received two knighthoods and two CBEs. Daily MailNo doubt something similar happens with the Order of Canada (although God knows why anyone would want or even pay for such a thing). Vanity is a curious feature of humanity: Luther's criticsm of the Catholic Church concerned the sale of dispensations, another term for honours. No PM has been knighted from WW1 onward for a very import reason. It defined us as an independent nation and our leaders as people who have allegiances to Canadians. That is what the Nickel resolution is about. It isn't something to spat on it is something to be celebrated.More importantly, Canadians cannot accept foreign (British) titles since Mackenzie King. R. B. Bennett moved to Britain, entered the House of Lords and died a British Baron. He is the only Canadian PM who is buried abroad.Which also raises the question--- who discovered North America?--- Whoever it was it happened long before the Nordic sailors came here or the french brought the "blessing" of religion to this continent (along with Measles, small pox, Gonorrhoea, Syphilis, Hudson Bay blankets & Indian reservations death & the death of the way of life) to a group of people who were happily living in their ignorance & freedom and who would be far happier today if all the "discoverers" ships had met up with the perfect storm.Huh?Europeans brought the wheel to the "natives" of this continent. (They were natives in the sense that their ancestors immigrated here from Asia several tens of thousands of years ago. This shouldn't be a pissing match about who got here first.) Tilter, natives were savages when the Europeans arrived here. They lived short, brutal lives believing in absurd superstitions. Anyone today who thinks that the world was a better place in the 17th century is a lunatic. Western discoveries, from Galileo to Einstein, have immeasurably improved people's lives. Quote
bleeding heart Posted June 3, 2012 Report Posted June 3, 2012 Tilter, natives were savages when the Europeans arrived here. They lived short, brutal lives believing in absurd superstitions. So absurdly superstitious they didn't even believe in the Trinity, or in the Divinity of some radical rabbi, or in the correct Creation stories. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Michael Hardner Posted June 3, 2012 Report Posted June 3, 2012 Tilter, natives were savages when the Europeans arrived here. They lived short, brutal lives believing in absurd superstitions. I think the only thing you can definitively say here is that their technology was far behind. The term "savages" is so culturally laden to be meaningless, let alone the ignorance arrogance of assessing the culture of your ancestors to be superior to others. Both cultures had wars, both cultures manipulated allies to gain an advantage, both cultures had rules and systems of government that were less than democratic. One culture had an advantage in numbers, in technology and in military capacity. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Rick Posted June 3, 2012 Report Posted June 3, 2012 If by being knighted it means..having that sceptre/sword brought down repeatedly upon his head....I'd be fine with that. The sooner we stop believing in and wasting taxpayers money on that monarchy bullshit, the better off this country will be Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
Topaz Posted June 3, 2012 Author Report Posted June 3, 2012 You are truly amazing, Topaz. Instead of being proud of Harper if he receives such an honour from our Queen (NOT from Britain! From our Queen! There IS a difference!) you instead have to let your own prejudices dominate your POV. I suspect you think only Liberals should ever be honoured with anything... Tell me why he deserves it? IT could be that ALL Commonwealth leaders may get knighted to celebrate the Diamond Jubilee, then its just about the celebration or the Queen LIKES him and not because he deserves it. Quote
Argus Posted June 3, 2012 Report Posted June 3, 2012 I think the only thing you can definitively say here is that their technology was far behind. The term "savages" is so culturally laden to be meaningless, let alone the ignorance arrogance of assessing the culture of your ancestors to be superior to others. Both cultures had wars, both cultures manipulated allies to gain an advantage, both cultures had rules and systems of government that were less than democratic. One culture had an advantage in numbers, in technology and in military capacity. And one culture ate people. But let's ignore that. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted June 3, 2012 Report Posted June 3, 2012 Which also raises the question--- who discovered North America?--- Whoever it was it happened long before the Nordic sailors came here or the french brought the "blessing" of religion to this continent (along with Measles, small pox, Gonorrhoea, Syphilis, Hudson Bay blankets & Indian reservations death & the death of the way of life) to a group of people who were happily living in their ignorance & freedom and who would be far happier today if all the "discoverers" ships had met up with the perfect storm. Ummmm....syphilis is a gift from North America to the rest of the planet. Plus, variola does not spread via blanket. It spreads by human contact. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
WWWTT Posted June 3, 2012 Report Posted June 3, 2012 Europeans brought the wheel to the "natives" of this continent. (They were natives in the sense that their ancestors immigrated here from Asia several tens of thousands of years ago. This shouldn't be a pissing match about who got here first.) Tilter, natives were savages when the Europeans arrived here. They lived short, brutal lives believing in absurd superstitions. Anyone today who thinks that the world was a better place in the 17th century is a lunatic. Western discoveries, from Galileo to Einstein, have immeasurably improved people's lives. Whoooo man this comment is so freekin biased and spun!!! Not to mention calling native Canadians "savage" is very questionable! Ever heard of the Mayans? How about the Mayan calendar that ends in December 2012,this year? Ever wonder how they were able to make the precise mathematical calculations to determine that a solar calendar was not as accurate as a lunar one? Better question would be,do you ever think? Ever wonder why the Russian orthodox Christmas/Easter is later then the western christian/catholic Christmas? The Europeans were,before discovering the new world and Mayan/Aztec mathematics incapable of understanding the concept/value of zero and its use/importance in mathematics. Don't believe me? Try multiplying 836454 x 8434 without the use of a calculator OR without the use of zero! Who's the savage now buddy! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
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