DogOnPorch Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Go right ahead...it's been done to death. Let's burn some Elvis and Beatles records too! Well noting Mr Rights siggy... Nazi Germany - a disorganized and functionally inferior attempt at world domination. Goes to prove that the Nazis were an inferior lot. ...gotta wonder if he'd be saying that as Rommel's panzers sliced around into his rear area. His heart is into it...but is it accurate? Sums up his posts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shady Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Fair enough, the point was, however, that christianity has quite the shady past That's great, but what we're dealing with isn't about the past, it's about the present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicky10013 Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 That's great, but what we're dealing with isn't about the past, it's about the present. Religion is religion. To claim the superiority of one over the other is to ignore the past completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Religion is religion. To claim the superiority of one over the other is to ignore the past completely. To claim that one isn't more violent than the others is to ignore the present, as well as reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Religion is religion. To claim the superiority of one over the other is to ignore the past completely. The good Professor does'nt "do" history very well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Yeah this should show the troops that we support them. By burning books that will put them in more danger. I am sure the guys over there appreciate your efforts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicky10013 Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 To claim that one isn't more violent than the others is to ignore the present, as well as reality. When charting the path of economic development, to me it looks quite similar despite the differences in time elapsed. Furthermore, being poorer leads to higher rates of radicalism. Where have terrorists generally come from? From poor areas of the world where they feel alienated, most of the time by foreign intervention. Where do home grown terrorists come from? Mostly poor urban youth who feel alienated from their new society. Anyone can take a passage from any religious text and turn it into an argument for a political action close to their heart. Christians do it all the time regarding abortion and gay marriage, taking certain passages literally while ignoring what the rest of the text says because if we did, Christians would be stoning women as well. Does that mean this represents what Christianity is? I'd argue no and I suspect most here would agree with me. Based on that very fact, one simply cannot blame Islam. As I've said many times you have to hold the individual responsible for their actions. Not an entire group. Doing so is just incredibly irresponsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 I can see part of both sides of the WTC mosque debate, but this is just ignorant, hateful, and hilariously hypocritical bigotry at it's worst: A new "Ten Commandments"? Alright!! The removal of law (ten commands) from the court house in the states was quite bizzare- a court with no law? Typical of western logic. As for the guy that wants to burn that book of head aches called the Koran...well he is supposed to be a man of God - when a man of God looks like an inbred demon as does this "pastor" - beware! All this jerk will do is stir up the crazy people and cause more death - real nice Christian..jerk! WHY STICK YOUR HAND IN A SNARLING DOGS MOUTH? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicky10013 Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 The good Professor does'nt "do" history very well... are you referring to me or shady? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Come burn my bible - don't give a shit...go burn their Koran - and they kill you - that is the difference between us and them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Yeah this should show the troops that we support them. By burning books that will put them in more danger. I am sure the guys over there appreciate your efforts. The troops are already in far more danger because "we" put them there....to find the "danger"...and kill it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 The troops are already in far more danger because "we" put them there....to find the "danger"...and kill it. That is a poor argument. We put them in danger but we also weigh the risk/benefit...cost reward factor. This does not add any benefit or reward. Your argument is tantamount to saying lets get rid of their vests, they are already in danger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 The troops are already in far more danger because "we" put them there....to find the "danger"...and kill it. hello BC - I agree - if you are going to have a war - and call it that - then kill the enemy - all of them - if NOT - then get out and let them have their way.. Whether it be right or wrong is not at issue in regards to dealing with enemies - for the first while you do not kill the evil because it is mixed in with the good..and you do not want to uproot the good..in the process ..BUT judgement day does come and we all know who is who and what is what - time to root the tares out - when the wheat is ripe...I say - either come home or just make sure that they are all addicted to herion then leave..worked with our Indians and booze - just start bombing them with refined opium and syringes..that should do it - hey this is not new stuff.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 That is a poor argument. We put them in danger but we also weigh the risk/benefit...cost reward factor. This does not add any benefit or reward. The benefit is demonstrative preservation of the right to do so, even in the face of so much exaggerated clucking. This dust up falls in the Mohammad cartoon bucket, and we know how that went. Your argument is tantamount to saying lets get rid of their vests, they are already in danger. No, my argument is tantamount to saying that burning a Koran is far less significant than "mistakenly" bombing an entire wedding party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 hello BC - I agree - if you are going to have a war - and call it that - then kill the enemy - all of them - if NOT - then get out and let them have their way..... Well, it's not like we coddled German or Japanese cultural icons during WW2 either. Nope, there was some partcularly vicious and purposely "hateful" propaganda created by governments to whip up unity against the "enemy", regardless of the blunt effect on "the good ones". What the pastor wishes to do is far less broad or significant, and is only being stoked by the added media attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 No, my argument is tantamount to saying that burning a Koran is far less significant than "mistakenly" bombing an entire wedding party. I disagree. Weddings party bombing is unintentional. Burning is not. Part in parcel of force multiplication is identifying and eliminating unnecessary risks. There is no cost benefit in burning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Well, it's not like we coddled German or Japanese cultural icons during WW2 either. Nope, there was some partcularly vicious and purposely "hateful" propaganda created by governments to whip up unity against the "enemy", regardless of the blunt effect on "the good ones". What the pastor wishes to do is far less broad or significant, and is only being stoked by the added media attention. The pastor wants to be famous..at the expense of others..If you want to win - you keep your buisness to yourself - and do what has to be done - those that THREATEN by insulting are at a disadvantage - I always say "never threaten,just do..............why we repeatedly warn our advesary is utterly stupid..just hammer him in the back of the head as they say - why use western style postering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 are you referring to me or shady? Check out page 24 of this thread and keep reading... The answer will become as clear as glass.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 The removal of law (ten commands) from the court house in the states was quite bizzare- a court with no law? Typical of western logic. As for the guy that wants to burn that book of head aches called the Koran...well he is supposed to be a man of God - when a man of God looks like an inbred demon as does this "pastor" - beware! All this jerk will do is stir up the crazy people and cause more death - real nice Christian..jerk! WHY STICK YOUR HAND IN A SNARLING DOGS MOUTH? He's the proverbial wolf in sheeps clothing...An angry fool who uses faith as cover for his hatred... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 I disagree. Weddings party bombing is unintentional. Burning is not. Part in parcel of force multiplication is identifying and eliminating unnecessary risks. There is no cost benefit in burning. So what other lawful forms of protest and speech shall we put on hold? Or does it only matter when a pastor in Florida can garner enough media attention? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 So what other lawful forms of protest and speech shall we put on hold? Or does it only matter when a pastor in Florida can garner enough media attention? Ohh that's a Florida post for sure!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 So what other lawful forms of protest and speech shall we put on hold? Or does it only matter when a pastor in Florida can garner enough media attention? None. But lets not pretend that burning crosses is for the common welfare of the citizens or that burning korans is benign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 None. But lets not pretend that burning crosses is for the common welfare of the citizens or that burning korans is benign. I don't think anyone is saying that it's benign. Protests are never about being benign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Protests are never about being benign. Really? So when a group protests for better health care, is that malignant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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