Obama Admits He Was Wrong About Surge

[bush_cheney2004]

Senator Barack Hussein Obama had to admit the obvious, even though it pained him to do so:

The troop surge in Iraq has been more successful than anyone could have imagined, Barack Obama conceded Thursday in his first-ever interview on FOX News’ “The O’Reilly Factor.”

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/ob...wildest-dreams/

Betting against your own country can be a risky proposition during an election cycle, right Barry?

[WIP]

O'Reilly is a dick! He tries to do all of the talking during his so-called interviews. He says it's a contentious interview. What a surprise. That has more to do with his ego and lack of self control! Total waste of time!

Maybe Obama wants to credit the Surge for the reduction in violence, but let's take a look at some other ingredients that have, at least temporarily, reduced violence:

"Petraeus seems to have concluded that it was essential to cut deals with the Sunni insurgents if he was going to succeed in reducing U.S. casualties," Macgregor says.

The military now calls those "deals" the Concerned Local Citizens program or simply, CLCs.

It's a somewhat abstract euphemism. The CLC program turns groups of former insurgents, including fighters for al-Qaida in Iraq, into paid, temporary allies of the U.S. military.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...toryId=17899543

How long is the Paying the Enemy So They Won't Kill Us strategy going to work? Until the next administration takes over?

If Obama is wrong about the War On Terror, it's this plan to move troops from Iraq to Afghanistan! It's already a quagmire, and unless troops are put in Northwest Pakistan, it's a losing war of attrition!

[bush_cheney2004]

O'Reilly is a dick! He tries to do all of the talking during his so-called interviews. He says it's a contentious interview. What a surprise. That has more to do with his ego and lack of self control! Total waste of time!

Nope...Obama needs this "dick" to talk tough or he has no chance to win the election. If the American electorate thinks that Obama has the same backbone (or lack thereof) as Jimmy Carter, he is wasting his time. Obama needs to look into those Fox News cameras and convince America that if push comes to shove, he will bomb somebody's ass and bomb them now.

Edited September 7, 2008 by bush_cheney2004

[DogOnPorch]

Nope...Obama needs this "dick" to talk tough or he has no chance to win the election. If the American electorate thinks that Obama has the same backbone (or lack thereof) as Jimmy Carter, he is wasting his time. Obama needs to look into those Fox News cameras and convince America that if push comes to shove, he will bomb somebody's ass and bomb them now.

Like my wife said to me: Barak 'I'll-bomb-yah.'

Or will he?

...or Obama lad Biden?

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Got a dream, boy? Got a song? Paint your wagon, and come along.

---Paint Your Wagon

Edited September 7, 2008 by DogOnPorch

[bush_cheney2004]

Obama continues to "toughen up" his macho baby killing, village burning persona in the face of an obvious deficit compared to McCain:

(CNN) — Sen. Barack Obama — locked in a tight presidential race against Sen. John McCain, widely considered a war hero — said in an interview broadcast Sunday that he once considered joining the military himself.

Speaking to ABC's "This Week," Obama said, "You know, I had to sign up for Selective Service when I graduated from high school. And I was growing up in Hawaii, and I have friends whose parents were in the military. There are a lot of Army, military bases there. And I actually always thought of the military as an enobling and, you know, honorable option.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Salute!

[M.Dancer]

Obama continues to "toughen up" his macho baby killing, village burning persona in the face of an obvious deficit compared to McCain:

(CNN) — Sen. Barack Obama — locked in a tight presidential race against Sen. John McCain, widely considered a war hero — said in an interview broadcast Sunday that he once considered joining the military himself.

Speaking to ABC's "This Week," Obama said, "You know, I had to sign up for Selective Service when I graduated from high school. And I was growing up in Hawaii, and I have friends whose parents were in the military. There are a lot of Army, military bases there. And I actually always thought of the military as an enobling and, you know, honorable option.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Salute!

I once considered enrolling into divinity college. You know, montreal has a lot of churches and the some of the wives of the Anglican priests were quite hot..so I though being a priest to would enable me.....

Anyway me considering divinity college makes me as holy as Obama is martial.....

[bush_cheney2004]

I once considered enrolling into divinity college. You know, montreal has a lot of churches and the some of the wives of the Anglican priests were quite hot..so I though being a priest to would enable me.....

Anyway me considering divinity college makes me as holy as Obama is martial.....

For sure....as an "alter boy" I always aspired to the greatest calling....and partying with the hottest penguins in the convent. Sometimes I would mow their lawn and they would invite me inside for a spell.....I should write a book like Obama....the pedophile priests had nothing on me!

[sharkman]

I saw that interview and Obama didn't quite admit he was wrong IMV. The important thing though, is that he was wrong and all of the mud he flung at the surge effort brainwashed many Obamites. How badly did this damage the effort? How many other things is he wrong about? He wants to raise the minimum wage about 2 dollars in the middle of a recession. And I though Bush was a little off on economics.

[Shady]

Not only did he publicly state that the surge wouldn't work. He actually accused the Administration of escalating the war, and predicted more violence and bloodshed. Wow, talk about being wrong. And now, the Iraqi's are taking control of province after province, while Petreus is talking about large numbers of U.S. troops leaving Baghdad and coming home. I'm eagerly awaiting watching him explain himself to the American people during the debates.

[Moonlight Graham]

BC, he never really admits to being wrong about the surge. He does admit that it has succeeded, but he says he doesn't regret his vote against it.

Great interview btw i can't this interview took place & i never heard about it until now!...proving once again anyone will do anything for some votes.

[bush_cheney2004]

BC, he never really admits to being wrong about the surge. He does admit that it has succeeded, but he says he doesn't regret his vote against it.

For political purposes, Obama has admitted he was wrong about the potential success of a "surge" in Iraq.

Edited September 8, 2008 by bush_cheney2004

[August1991]

(CNN) — Sen. Barack Obama — locked in a tight presidential race against Sen. John McCain, widely considered a war hero — said in an interview broadcast Sunday that he once considered joining the military himself.

I'm Barack Obama and I'm reporting for duty.

[bush_cheney2004]

I'm Barack Obama and I'm reporting for duty.

What else is he going to do against a bonafide war hero? They only have themselves to blame, labeling Bush a "draft dodger", so when the real McCoy comes along, they are screwed.

[Moonlight Graham]

For political purposes, Obama has admitted he was wrong about the potential success of a "surge" in Iraq.

probably ya

Edited September 8, 2008 by Moonlight Graham

[sharkman]

Moonlight, I noticed you hadn't seen this interview. There are more parts coming, starting on Monday's edition of Bill's show.

[Shady]

For political purposes, Obama has admitted he was wrong about the potential success of a "surge" in Iraq.

Not only that, but he admits the surge was successful beyond anyone's dreams, but somehow would still vote against it.

[Moonlight Graham]

Moonlight, I noticed you hadn't seen this interview. There are more parts coming, starting on Monday's edition of Bill's show.

Yes, Bill mentioned that during the interview. I'll definately watch. Thanks for the heads-up anyways though.

Bill seems on his very best behaviour so far lol...

Edited September 8, 2008 by Moonlight Graham

[Moonlight Graham]

Not only that, but he admits the surge was successful beyond anyone's dreams, but somehow would still vote against it.

If you want the war to end & all U.S. soldiers to leave, why would you vote to actually INCREASE the # of troops there?

[BC_chick]

Michael Moore compared the "surge" argument to a kid who spills milk on the ground and then wants recognition for cleaning it....

Say what you want about the man, but that argument is so very true.

[Riverwind]

Michael Moore compared the "surge" argument to a kid who spills milk on the ground and then wants recognition for cleaning it....

A better analogy would be a kid who insisted on cleaning it up even though his parents have told him over and over that cleaning it up is a waste of time...

FYI - I opposed the Iraq war and feel it was started on false pretenses. But what is done is done and they are better off finishing the job.

Edited September 8, 2008 by Riverwind

[Guest American Woman]

Michael Moore compared the "surge" argument to a kid who spills milk on the ground and then wants recognition for cleaning it....

Say what you want about the man, but that argument is so very true.

That is really a good one. But I'm wondering if it would more accurate to compare it to a kid who spills milk on the ground and gets someone else to clean it up and then wants recognition for it being cleaned up.

Just a thought.

[Black Dog]

A better analogy would be a kid who insisted on cleaning it up even though his parents have told him over and over that cleaning it up is a waste of time...

FYI - I opposed the Iraq war and feel it was started on false pretenses. But what is done is done and they are better off finishing the job.

What job is that? How will you know when its done?

[Riverwind]

What job is that? How will you know when its done?

The job would be putting humpty-dumpty back together. It would be done when you are reasonably confident that the country won't collapse into civil war as soon as you leave.

[jdobbin]

What job is that? How will you know when its done?

I think that is what Obama asked. If success has been achieved, the troops can all return.

Iraq is going to have resolve the issue of their governance themselves. It cannot be imposed if it is to last. The Iraqis will have to own it.

I've still not seen enough evidence that Iraq is not going to fight it out as soon as the partition drops. My argument at the beginning of the surge was that enough force and partitioning of the country would reduce violence but not completely eliminate it. Subsequently, violent attacks are down 80% but bombs still go off in Baghdad and the querulous elements still hide in the tall grass waiting for their chance.

As for the government: there are still huge tensions and questions about whether ethnic tensions will blow again once security partitions are removed.

Still, it has to be fixed by Iraq and U.S. troops, even according to the Iraqi government, should start withdrawing.

[Shady]

Michael Moore compared the "surge" argument to a kid who spills milk on the ground and then wants recognition for cleaning it....

Say what you want about the man, but that argument is so very true.

So you'd agree that, using your analogy, Obama refused to want clean up the spilled milk?