Moonbox

and then there was Trump, and Poilievre sounded like him, so they were. 🤡 Yeah but nobody gives a shit what you think or what you say. This weird notion you have that insisting on something hard enough manifests it in reality is good for nothing but laughs. Like with so many things, you can't handle a debate falling outside the narrow confines of your hysterical tribalism, so you warp reality around yourself to make it fit. The idea that previously reliable conservative voters want nothing to do with Pierre Poilievre's retarded populism literally breaks your brain.

He managed to get 50% of his constituents to vote against him and boot him out of office. It seems you're the one having trouble understanding. 😆

It's not just about how many people vote for you. It's also about how many vote against you. While you cope with the loss and soothe yourself with the idea that he increased the share of the popular vote, digest this along with it: The Liberal vote was the highest it's been in 45 years. You have to be 41 different kinds of stupid to pretend that losing the election is a "fantastic performance", especially when it's losing to a party that was polling around 20% months ago. 🙃

They'll do it again too, if the CPC and Poilievre deliver more of the same. It wasn't just the NDP and Bloc supporters either, but the Greens and a lot of Small C conservatives as well. I voted for Harper the whole time he was PM, and I spent my first 7 years on this forum arguing on his behalf. People like me want nothing to do with MAGA or Poilievre's cheap karaoke version of it. Quebec is the province where Poilievre is the least popular. I don't think he regrets not signing on with the dude that most of the province hates. 😑

Nobody forgot, it's just that PP still managed to make himself look like the worse option. I agree. This is Poilievre's campaign manager - hardcore MAGA and culture-war donkey: When you spend 3 years calling people names, shouting three word slogans, bullshitting, peddling conspiracy theories about globalist woke-radical-left agendas etc and doing basically everything you can to invite comparisons to Trump, that's what you're going to get. Nobody anticipated how much of a mess Trump would make, but the mess was assured. Poilievre sowed the winds of Trumpian populism, and he reaped the whirlwind. His caustic badgering and his circling the conspiracy vortex brought the toolbags from the PPC back into the fold, but he also united basically everyone else against him. It wasn't a fluke. They didn't "lend" their votes to Carney. They rejected Poilievre, and unless he really changes, they'll do it next time too.

Canadians were plenty upset with the Liberals. Absent of any consideration of leadership, the Liberals were polling under 30%. Add Poilievre and Carney to the mix, and well you saw what happened. If you want to convince yourself that Carney's brief incumbency and deh media had more to do with Poilievre's defeat than his -20% net favorability and the easy comparisons to Trump that his rhetoric invited, go for it, I guess. 🤷‍♂️

The tone and temperament of a discussion is set by its floor, not by its ceiling. I appreciate what you're trying to say, but nuanced and fact-based discussion don't survive long after the baboon starts flinging poo. Again, not who we're talking about. As for the ignore feature, it only works on people with lives/hobbies/friends that don't spend all day polluting every thread on the board with their rageposting. 😑

I think the fertile ground was laid before Trump started pooping everywhere. The question you need to consider is why didn't the threat of Trump benefit Poilievre? Why couldn't he capitalize on that, given how disgruntled Canadians were with the Liberal Party?

I'm not sure who you suppose considers shadenfreude a wholesome pleasure, or when/where exactly you were expecting "true dialogue" from the hysterical manbabies in question. Also, if you were to tell me that you didn't spare yourself a chuckle at the thought of them seething in their basements, wondering how it all went wrong, I wouldn't buy it. You don't have to admit though. 😆 I can appreciate not rubbing salt in the dejection of regular conservative voters, but that's not who we're talking about. Maybe, but those "external factors" are likely to be the next 4 years of Trump and the chaos and failure that brings. I don't think Poilievre is going to have a lot of luck blaming "Trump pooping all over the place (and himself)" on the Liberals. The cause and effect in this case is a lot easier to digest for the average voter than the esoteric economics of inflation and money supply. Something I would worry about in the future, if I actually cared. One of the benefits of not being a hysterical ideological zealot is that your ego and identity aren't shaped by politics or what people are saying on an interweb forum. 🤷‍♂️

Yes. A lot of the criticisms are justified. The Liberal record does deserve to be highlighted. I think a plurality of Canadians agreed on what the problems were and how the Liberals mishandled it and in many cases made it worse. The problem was that they didn't agree that PP was a serious leader best equipped to deal with it. Highlighting affordability and how the Liberals have ballooned the public service and the deficit is a compelling message, but that not when it's wrapped in Trumpian packaging and all of the nonsense that comes with.

I think where he actually did a good job was in places like Windsor where he was able to flip NDP to CPC, broke into the 905, and how he was more in-tune with younger folk. The problem is that those gains were overshadowed by the fact that he got even more people to vote against him. He grew the Liberal vote more than he grew the Conservative one, and that's no-bueno. I think the telling part of all of this is that at the ending stage of the campaign where the CPC started to gain ground in (especially in Ontario), was when they removed Poilievre entirely from the advertisements and messaging. The commercials during the Leafs games didn't even mention him.

Some, maybe? Which of the above that Flyer's mocking do you think understand what perspective even means? I think we can oblige ourselves a bit of shadenfreude after enduring years of their rage-posting and conspiracy theories. I don't see this as a win for Carney or the Liberals either. The Liberal Party, especially, didn't earn it or deserve it. Rather, I see it as a repudiation in Canada of Donald Trump and Pierre Poilievre, and their cultivation of incoherent populist rage and worthless culture-war bullshit. I could end up being very wrong, but I think the CPC are fooling themselves if they think that their creep leader has momentum and can ride it into the next election. The better part of 4 years of Trump are ahead of us, and it's already a debacle and only getting worse. Poilievre will need a massive rebranding and image overhaul to shake the association, but I'm not sure he's capable of it like Harper was.

Compared to who? He's not even really progressive in the context of the CPC. He spends way too much time and energy railing about "woke radical left ideology" for that statemen to be credible. You're right about this, but for the wrong reasons. Poilievre lost because he borrowed too much from Trump, and sounded too much like Trump. If he hadn't spent the last 3 years calling people names, circling the conspiracy vortex, playing culture-war and repeating 3-word MAGA-style slogans ad-nauseum, the comparison wouldn't have stuck. Worse, however, is how he couldn't (or wouldn't) pivot when these all became liabilities. He just kept running it down the middle.

Weeks into the campaign and Trump's tariff war, he was still throwing his slogans around and verbing the noun. He was still railing about woke this, woke that, radical left this, radical left that. This was an own-goal of epic proportions. Pierre's fluffers are out there trying to paint this as a big win for them because he increased the CPC's vote, but the bigger story is that he increased the Liberal vote by even more. 🫠

That's the positive spin on what happened here, which is that they lost the election where they had everything going for them. They couldn't have asked for more fertile ground than this. A decent number of those seats went to the conservatives, but either way, the transfer of NDP/Bloc/Green vote to the Liberals wasn't a fluke. It was because of Poilievre. The dude lost his seat too, which is just

That's your cope. The voting Canadian public just really doesn't like Pierre Poilievre. There's more to being Prime MInister than Verb-the-Noun. I said during the Conservative leadership campaign that if they wanted to lose the next election, Pierre Poilievre was one of the only guys that could make it happen. The most telling part of all of this is that even a lot of the folks who voted for Carney probably agree with you on the Liberal record. The worst PM that Canada's ever had was Pierre Trudeau...until his buffoon son picked up the mantle. Taking the leaders out of question, the Liberals weren't polling much past 25%, even with Trump on the horizon. That would have been a bloodbath, but Pierre "brought it home"...just for the wrong party.

Michael Chong is my MP and he's a great guy. That's the sort of Conservative I can (and usually do) get behind. Erin O'Toole isn't one of the chuds, but he couldn't convince people that he wasn't listening to them. Stephen Harper knew how to control and squelch the dumbest parts of the rabble in the CPC, but Pierre Poilievre is embracing them. If he loses, that's going to be why.

LOLOL Yep that was me bringing up math first again.

The question was whether or not people liked the party leaders. Where on this chart are they telling us how much people like or dislike the party leaders? Nowhere!? Great "math lesson", muppet! 🤡👌

Nope! Carney's polled close to 50% favorable and sometimes above. Poilievre can barely hit 40%, with the unfavorable percentage growing to upwards of 60%. https://angusreid.org/all-down-to-e-day-carney-poilievre/ Net favorable of +13%, vs net unfavorable of -20%. Ooof. Don't worry too much though. The CPC still has a chance here, in spite of their creep leader. As I've said before, if the Liberals win, it'll be because of Carney vs Poilievre, and in spite of the Liberal record. Take the Leaders out of the equation, and the Liberals are down to 28% and the Cons are up to 40%. If the Conservatives win, it'll be in spite of Poilievre. That doesn't mean you have to take down all of your posters though. You can still worship the guy if he loses.

You brought it up again, you donkey. If you want to respond to my last post in that thread rather than tuck tail after clowning yourself as you did, bring it. I'm always game to watch you make a fool out of yourself, as you're doing even here. These unhinged, spastic rants where you insist on fantasy re-imaginings of your past humiliations, however, are useless. Nobody reads them. Nobody even know what you're talking about except me, and I'm just laughing at you.

Everything you say is like you're talking to a mirror. 🤡

He said he was sticking around if he loses. Who knows? Not you or I. PP has never had a job outside of barking slogans and insults at opponents. Good at it? Maybe if what counts is riling up the base, but judging by the fact that the majority of Canadians don't like him and he seems poised to lose what should have been an unlosable election, I'd say that's up for debate!

I was responding to Army Guy, and then I was responding to you, when you quoted me. This isn't complicated. The only confusion is your own. I mean the time you tried to argue that I miscalculated a chosen constant in a math equation. That was so absurdly dumb I would have put it past even you, but you keep surprising me. There's literally is no floor on how belligerently stupid you can make yourself look.

I know who I was responding to, and no, I don't. How could I take someone telling us we should care whether or not a candidate lies, when he's blindly ra-ra-ra for a guy who's spent the last 2-3 years lying, bullshitting and circling the conspiracy vortex? Last time I checked you were telling me I miscalculated the constant in a math equation. 🤣 If I didn't know better, I'd think this was your latest diary entry. Literally nobody on this forum has less self-awareness than you. 🤡👌