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"The NGO network" eh? Another MAGA conspiracy theory to deflect the m0rons attention. Anything except Epstein, get 'em talking about anything else. Vance is as big of a sack of shit as his Boss.

The reality we have to accept is the @Chrissy1979 is not going to accept reality. Since chrissy is not talking about reality, nothing she says is relevant and we don't need to address her fantasies.

Indeed, and a huge issue IMO as well. The people violently acting on hateful rhetoric always represent the outer fringes of the left/right line diagram and often the people who incited their antics defend, deflect and rationalize the resulting violence. As it continues and gains momentum, the small fringe element on the left side of the diagram moves right... and the right one moves left... each encompassing more and more of its representative side of the line. Like violence associated with cattle stealing in Africa, it tends to escalate in tit for tat reprisals with each side blaming the other for its initial onset and each attending escalation. There always seem s to be an unsavoury (at least IMO) aspect of perverse enjoyment in it as well, and you see it here with threads that run out to 25 pages on a single sentiment that logical people (working together) could have resolved in under 5 posts. The "turning point" (IMO again) occurs when people stop trying to achieve compromise. And since compromise is a key component of democracy, polarization becomes the political football of choice for partisan gain. In turn, that creates a situation where people begin to have legitimate fears about the outcome of any election that that doesn't go their way. As the see-saw amplitude increases, they accept bad behaviour on the part of "their guy" because the "other guy" promises to be even worse (in their eyes). Then POOF... when people truly do have real and legitimate fears about election outcomes political violence can become a threat to all. If/when it happens, the usual question (after it's too late) is "how did we get here?" There's always the danger that the weapon of choice goes from bolt action 30.06 rifles to car bombs too, at that point, the flame can become self sustaining and discussions about gun control efforts become the sort of political arguments that only took place in the good old days. It's potentially a pretty dark path... I marvel at the appetitive for it in advance of the meal arriving and how quickly it evaporites after the first plate is served.

You want a country to change in minutes, days, weeks? This is not a video game. Also our country’s economy is under an unprecedented assault. I will review in a year post-election and give him one more before I give up and look for a possible alternative.

Hundreds of teachers have been fired, suspended in the last two days alone for their reactions to Kirk's death. A Toronto teacher repeatedly showed the gruesome killing to his 10 year old students, telling them he deserved it, and anyone else who espouses similar beliefs should be treated the same way. These are same people who supported Luigi and lionized him. Elias Rodriguez has a similar following from the Palestinian supporters for his murder of two Israeli embassy staffers. This has been a full mask off moment for the left and so-called moderates who cover for them. Their hero worship and self-righteous sense of justice is sick & dangerous. It will only inspire more twisted minds to commit similar acts. https://x.com/BillboardChris/status/1967118789096730836

Oh no. Looks like they have their eyes set on the woke NGOs as I've been saying for many months now

Well that says it all then.... 😂 Be serious, the guy has an obvious bias running through his blood that will not allow him to see or speak reality, if he wants a job. Maybe rather than listening to JD try looking at some of the data from the two organizations who compile this type information; https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2025/09/12/trump-blamed-charlie-kirk-murder-on-radical-left-data-says-right-wing-extremists-kill-more/86116958007/ https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states Since 2020, terrorists have killed 81 people in the U.S. Twenty-four people, including Kirk, have been slain for political reasons in 2025, as of Sept. 10, according to Nowrasteh. "Right-wing terrorists account for over half of those murders, Islamists for 21 percent, left-wingers for 22 percent, and 1 percent had unknown or other motivations. There are not many politically motivated terrorist killings in the United States," Nowrasteh wrote. Eighty-three percent of those murdered since 1975 were killed by the 9/11 terrorists (Figure 1). The Oklahoma City Bombing accounts for about another 5 percent. Those murdered since 2020 account for just 2 percent. Terrorists inspired by Islamist ideology are responsible for 87 percent of those murdered in attacks on US soil since 1975 (Table 1). Right-wingers are the second most common motivating ideology, accounting for 391 murders and 11 percent of the total. The definition here of right-wing terrorists includes those motivated by white supremacy, anti-abortion beliefs, involuntary celibacy (incels), and other right-wing ideologies.

You understand that the data on political acts of violence in the US shows right extremists being far more active don't you?

Tell me how letting China into the WTO in 2001 was not a mistake. Manufacturing jobs is what makes a country thrive and middle class. Letting rich oligarch sell into your market tax free while exploiting slave labor overseas is how you get income equality. If you actually care for your fellow Americans you would support Trump. You are MAGA , you just haven’t realized it yet.

That's not true! That's not all she's done! She also added valuable and important data that helps prove the existing research that says leftie women are much more likely to be Bat Crap Crazy than normal people. Not a lot of women are involved in science today and here she is contributing! Sure, as more of a test subject than a researcher but still - respect!

LOL I gave you a response, not my fault you refused to listen to it. You want to move on to another baseless assertion and not defend yourself? No surprise there. All you have done for the most part is shit all over this thread like the other leftists.

Precisely. There's no real evidence that he even went there with the intent of harming that guy. Is he more like something that came up in the course of events unfortunately Contrast that to this case where the guy deliberately went out and acquired a rifle illegally apparently retrieving it from a bush where it had been left wrapped in a blanket, carved messages to his enemies on the bullets and the gun and then deliberately executed a plan to assassinate someone to silence their political view. It's just not even remotely comparable

Not true, we wouldn’t be having this conversation if it was. Clearly the international companies want to do business here in America. Trump hold all the cards. Look at the elbows up Canucks on here, they’re getting clobbered.

You're a terrible guesser. Right now foreign nations hold a big advantage over Trump and his haphazard tariffs.

Probably not, you make up most of your own crap so it's probably fake data designed to distract. So nice try but can you explain why so many shooting recently involve trans people? There's been a number done by trans people and this one seems to be at least in part due to the shooter's trans lover, so why is that? YOU were the one who brought it up, so lets hear it, It's YOUR fault that you mention trans people when a shooting involves a trans person!! YOUR fault! I mean seriously, how do you get to that kind of logic?

So besides the 10 NCAA trans athletes that competed amongst the total of the 550,000 athletes, what particular problem do you have with transgenders? Are you phobic, insecure, curious, or is it because Trump made this a narrative? I personally don't agree with their choice if you can call it that, but I'm also secure enough in my own skin to say live and let live. Why aren't you?

Because you're too dumb to go to Aljazeera (or other websites) and do a quick search: (Bet your mom cuts up your baloney for you too) You really should go back and get your GED. You'll finally feel good about yourself https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/26/us-man-convicted-in-palestinian-american-boy-hate-crime-murder-dies-in-jail

All these trade spat have not been settled. Next year you will see the largest investment driven growth in a generation. Just wait and see. Why you say? Because there is no where else the smart money can go. Everyone in the developed world has aged out. America is the only exception, we still have a healthy consumer demographic under 45.

Hey guys! Would you stand in the Ford dealer's lot telling everyone about Chevy's? I know of many other forums but I'll PM people to invite them not use Greg's forum to promote other people's. Soon as someone posts the link on here it boosts their SEO so don't.

You can agree with his points of view, but it's hard to argue that he wasn't a 'provocateur' or 'gadfly' to be generous. If he wanted a better world for all, that could be argued... But there would be significant political pushback from "cities", I would imagine. Some examples of his provocative comments: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/charlie-kirk-did-stoning-gay-120003332.html

And Thank God for that! Some say Carney's the best Conservative PM we've ever had.

Definitely. There should be painted crosswalks as well.

Because Charlie Kirk was a good person and a good pundit, but he does not rise to the level of MLK.

I asked whether you have anything other than what lying far-right politicians have said with no further evidence. Trump said he’s left-wing too but it’s not like his word means anything. There are lots of right-wing gay people (and we don’t even know if that’s the case anyway), so that means nothing.

Your disconnect from reality is bordering on severe: ********* NBC Updating the investigation into Charlie Kirk’s assassination Sunday, Utah Gov. Spencer Cox told NBC News’ “Meet the Press” that the suspect was in a romantic relationship with his roommate, who is cooperating with authorities. “What we have learned specifically is that this person did not have any knowledge, was shocked when they found out about it,” Cox said of the roommate. That person “is a boyfriend who is transitioning from male to female,” Cox said. Cox was confirming earlier reporting from Fox News.Cox said that Robinson, 22, had a “leftist ideology” despite having come from a conservative family. ***********

Note the sarcasm..... According to the Poilievre bunch Carney is in this for personal gain only. No doubt with the holdings he has in BAM we're sure to see this company's manufactured homes in Canada at some point to pad his portfolio.

Trump has built a culture that weak minded people simply follow in line with.... Terrorism since 2020 paints a slightly different picture. Since January 1, 2020, terrorists have murdered 81 people in attacks on US soil that account for about 0.07 percent of all homicides during that time (estimated for 2025 so far). Right-wing terrorists account for over half of those murders, Islamists for 21 percent, left-wingers for 22 percent, and 1 percent had unknown or other motivations. There are not many politically motivated terrorist killings in the United States. The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism gives different context for deaths attributed to political extremism. From 2015-24, there were 429 deaths. Of those, 76% were attributed to right-wing extremists. Four percent were credited to extremely leftist attackers, and that includes anarchists and Black nationalists. Domestic Islamist extremism makes up about 18% of the total, and other extremism accounts for 1%. https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states The bottom line.... America has turned into some kind of fùcked up country in large part because of the political divisiveness the president promotes.

Trump's version of freedom of speech is that it only applies if it's the narrative he wants for his brainwashed minions. Otherwise, it doesn't apply....

Its not the act, it's the actor. To rephrase Beria, show me the man and I'll invent a crime.

Obviously, it's Chrissy. And if you paint her into a corner she'll insist that's all your fault because it's wrong to vote for a criminal thieving backstabbing wife cheating scumbag like Clinton. Sorry, i meant 'trump'. She's happy to vote for all of that if it's a left wing candidate Chrissy doesn't believe any of the crap she's spewing. Relies are direct reflection of the emotional pain she's going through realizing her beloved left of the terrible people here

Things politicians say are irrelevant since they often deal in lies to persuade. We should only consider their actions. So let's see what he does.

I am saying that groypers had nothing to do with this and have more in common with the Democrats than Republicans. But you insist that they helped this dipshit and that the right (all of the right) is responsible for Charlie's death. There is zero evidence for that. You are trying so desperately to shed responsibility for something that you literally played a role in.

Countries, like oil tankers, are difficult to turn around. It takes more than days or weeks for anybody to do it even in these impatient times. If we agree that our problems have taken years to be caused we should not be surprised they will take years to solve.

Of course it is, law enforcement is right wing by nature...its definitely with you. Even though it's still not clear what motivated Charlie Kirk's killer there's no mistaking what's motivating the determination to turn his killing into the mother of all galvanizing events.

You’re saying the groypers are not that? Which adjective do you feel didn’t fit?

You don't have a "choice" to take back your own citizen, per the UN Charter. Bring him in a US battleship and drop him off at a port and let Cuba "refuse".

You are so bad at this that it is comical. But I have to say, this type of adherence to 1000% false information and the dehumanization of everyone you place even the slightest association is how this evil a-hole was radicalized to kill Charlie Kirk. Just, try to be a reasonable and good person. Please.

You don't know the first thing about reality or facts here. All you did was mindlessly cut and paste something without bothering to do any critical thinking to check its veracity.

Bombing buildings is not genocide.

lol... no doubt they must be leftist journalists. Ahhhh no, journalists don't set expectations and no they don't apply whatever number they want. They report what economists are saying and reference the economist by name or institution. Economists forecast expectations that journalists report. It's called journalism.

I gather you get your economic data on Truth Social? The overall CPI rose 0.4% for the month of August. Energy costs rose by 0.7%, with gasoline prices increasing 1.9%. Food prices increased by 0.5%, with groceries seeing a 0.6% rise. Primary shelter costs saw their fastest increase in months. The 12-month change in the CPI was 2.9%. And just an FYI.... Journalists don't set economic data expectations. They report economists expectations. Stagflation isn't your friend either, but looks more and more to be heading your way. Enjoy the Trump years....you'll be able to tell your children you lived through them, maybe...

Why would you think it is not a turning point ? this man was killed because members on the left side of the spectrum decided his words were so veil that killing him was the only option....and not just him he discussed this with plenty of other leftist on public forums...and through their conversations this idea of murder was born.... NO ONE forced anyone to these rallies to discuss or defend their ideas...and yet he was joined by huge crowds , anyone was free to talk/ discuss a wide range of topics, all were free to leave when they wanted....It is the left that has turned words they don't like into descriptors like violence, threats, etc....and this Charlie Kirk thing is a example of that words that were so violent it call for his death.... And yes this is one mans actions...But lets not pretend that both sides have their violent elements within them...and both sides have had those conversations about violence....The right has the proud boys etc., and the left Antifa etc ... The message here is without conversation nothing will ever get solved between the left and the right.......this action is providing evidence that we can't even sit down and talk with out risk of life and limb...want more evidence just look on this forum, can't remember one time when 2 posters of opposite sides had conversation and solved an issue....

No. I said if he is threatening you. Don't try to twist my words because you can make some point later.

You're the terror apologist who supports Israel's TOTAL DESTRUCTION of GAZA. And their plans to ETHNICALLY CLEANSE all Palestinians. 🤮

True. But you have to be putting forth an actual effort to accomplish that, which Israel clearly is not doing.

If Israel wanted all the Palestinians dead, all the Palestinians would be dead. Instead, their population has drastically increased while under Israeli 'occupation'. A colony that somehow managed to plant their temple underneath a big mosque.

Maybe we can try comparing thought leaders from across the USA political spectrum and see what they're saying? 🤔 Also compared to what happened after the Minnesota legislators were killed.

Like Trump, you don't know the difference between lies and truth anymore. One person is not "the left". aljazeera.com/news 11 Mar 2025 "Last month, a man was found guilty of a hate crime for the fatal stabbing of a six-year-old Palestinian American boy 18 months ago" THAT is the right today! (according to you)

I didn't say that. Don't be such a pu55y.

So, you are a big fan of making sure Kindergartners have access to Porn in school?