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I'm sure Trudeau would forgive Kim if he falls short and nukes Toronto or Vancouver instead. After all, and like Omar Khadr, his father made him do it.

Islamist Feminists are working towards change. These movements are just not being reported on. "But Muslim women are fighting back. While despotic governments and extremists battle for power, Islamic scholars, community activists, and ordinary Muslims are waging a peaceful jihad on male authority, demanding what they say are God- given rights to gender equality and justice. From Cambridge to Cairo to Jakarta, women are going back to Islam’s classical texts and questioning the way men have read them for centuries. In the Middle East, activists are contesting outdated family laws based on Islamic jurisprudence, which give men the power in marriages, divorces, and custody issues. In Europe and the United States, women are chipping away at the customs that have had a chilling effect on women praying in mosques or holding leadership positions." "While the overall message of the Quran is unchanging, say Muslim reformers, new generations must find their own readings of the sacred texts. As it stands, Islamic fiqh, or jurisprudence, was largely forged during the medieval period, when women’s roles and the concept of marriage and male authority were very different. Why, they ask, should the way that 10th-century Baghdadi men read the Quran dictate the rights of a 21st-century woman? To the reactionaries who charge that these reformers are deviating from Islam, Islamic feminists point out that there is a difference between Islamic jurisprudence—a man-made legal scaffolding developed for the specific conditions of medieval Muslim life—and the divine law itself, which is eternal, unchanging and calls for justice. It’s not the Quran they question, but how particular interpretations of it have hardened into truth. “The problem has never been with the text, but with the context,” legal anthropologist Ziba Mir-Hosseini told the Musawah seminar." Some excellent readings can be found here: Muslim Women Are Fighting To Redefine Islam as a Religion of Equality America Abroad: Understanding Islamic Feminism Q&A: Talk explores role of Islamic feminism Sisters in Islam: Empowering voices for change

Quebec is now building a camp at the border, if our gov`t doesn`t get a handle on this right away we could be looking at another Calais situation. If they have to stay in camps for a long time there will be trouble. Trudeau seems to have walked away from this leaving us all vulnerable to many problems, our gov`t is failing Canada.

I think Trump caught everyone off guard yesterday when he went off script (yet again) and shot his mouth off about North Korea. Today Tillerson and Mattis are scrambling to catch up. Fat Kim is threatening to launch one at Guam. The plot sickens.

Sounds to e like this thread is "cooked" already.

I'm not here to "play" any of your games.

We do have a troll. A different kind of troll. Please read the other topic, On Insults - and that particular thread Venezuela.

Given that we're a democratic people in a democracy it ultimately belongs on us.

Pandering to Altai still? Really?

I don't have any problem putting it on Trudeau. He was as clearly warned this would happen. Canada deserves what it gets too for the same reason.

Moderation is needed, but action also needs to be taken and apply the rules consistently across the board. Some boards kill trolls right away, some boards (like this one) welcomes them.

It seems Kim boy wants to head that direction.

Venezuela needs real leadership like Kathleen Wynne to solve all of its problems.

How do you know they have little influence? Did you even read the sources provided? Of course they will get attacked, whether it's through social media, their communities etc but it's a fight they are willing to undertake. Some progress reported (that I have the time to find right now): "Egypt, where one of the world’s most influential centers of Islamic study is squaring its teachings with the changing status of women. In Morocco, recent changes at a courthouse examining Muslim family law are making it easier for women to divorce, inherit property, and gain custody of their children. In France, a look at how extreme secularism may be protecting or persecuting Muslim populations. And in the United States, visit the country’s first all-female mosque, and learn how one progressive Muslim feminist is expressing herself and her religion in a surprising way — with comedy." "As the famous Kyai Hussein Mohammed, one the first ulama converts to the cause of women’s rights in Indonesia said, the gender training he underwent forced him to find a way to reconcile between his belief in a God that is just and the discrimination women suffered. "In the largest Muslim country in the world, the progressive Islamic scholarship that dominates the religious education system, and the resilience and confidence among those in government and in religious authority, among the leadership (male and female) of Nahdlatul Ulama and Muhammadiyah, and among the graduates of the pesantren and State Islamic universities and institutes, stand them in good stead that it is their belief in a compassionate and just Islam within a plural Indonesia that will prevail." http://www.sistersinislam.org.my/news.php?item.1487.6

Thank you for an intelligent answer. I can only hope they succeed in trying to reform those aspects of their culture, and the West should do whatever it can to help them.

Well that's true, your slaves didn't want to come across the sea to be beaten and forced to work in your fields , you boys had to go get 'em.

Are certainly no comparison to America's well documented history of slavery.

This latest North Korea thing is a tad troubling. I think a lot of people kept fingers crossed that there wouldn't be any sort of serious issue/crisis while Trump was in the WH, but NK apparently having nukes could become a bit of an issue. Hopefully a more level headed man like Tillerson will persue the diplomatic approach and keep Donald's little fingers off "the button".

Hmm, I could have sworn that it was little nonsense only. Big nonsense would be reserved for the style of governments that allow them to kill their people at will or lock them up for speaking out against said government.

There surely is but doing so would open a Pandora's Box of legal trouble for our coalition and how we conducted ourselves during the war.

Yes you do and yes you did.

Trump is now tweeting out how hard he is working at his NJ golf club. Probably working hard at not getting caught kicking a ball out of the rough and not taking a stroke. He got essentially FA done while he was in the WH, so don't expect much from the 19th hole.

They got educated in a mere 6 months? I doubt it. Because he doesn't even know what his agenda is. Slowly but surely he is losing even his base. Look at the polls. 33% Trump is doing it at a hell of a lot higher rate than Obama ever did. And after he spewed out during his campaign that he wouldn't be golfing much if he was given the job. You need to read more snowflake, otherwise it's just so easy to punt you around.

What he said.

The story you posted does not mention that this guy lied about not having been told it was illegal in Canada to beat one's wife. When the story first came out, that little tidbit was mostly ignored but it could be found in a couple of more credible media sources. This time, when I went looking for that factoid, it was four pages in, after all the right-wing, anti-immigrant articles about refugees who 'don't know any better'. This guy did know better, but to admit that in these articles undermines their argument against immigration and against Muslims. There are 100s of thousands of Muslim men in Canada who do not beat their wives, who do not kill their daughters, who do not engage in any of the practices the right-wing media tries so hard to portray as common-place. There are 100s of thousands of Muslim women who do not wear niqab or burka or even a headscarf, but the entire focus of right-wing media is those that do. But that's not news, right? That's not going to support the argument that Muslims are unable to live in Canada and behave properly. People wonder why I don't give a lot of credence to stories of rape epidemics in Europe and the above is why. How can I take any media that focuses so heavily on only a single aspect of a complex situation? You and others may think that middle-of-the-road and left-wing media don't pay enough attention to the 'bad' that Muslims do, but at least they report everything, not just one side. That means that while Huffington Post may post an article more sympathetic to a Muslim who beats his wife, at least they report it. Unlike, for instance, your source - which posted only that part of the story that supported their agenda and as far as I could determine, You may not be anti-Muslim or anti-Immigrant, but you certainly are easily led Having a reasonable discussion with someone about the lack of rights women are afforded in many countries is possible, even with me. However, when someone says about 1.5 billion people that 'they are brought up in a cultures where women are second rate, possessions equivalent to goats or what have you, without the right to go to school and drive" ... well, so much for reasoned discussion. The fact is that what you say is (somewhat) true in Saudi Arabia, but in Egypt, women can drive, hold down jobs and are encouraged to go to school. The legal age of marriage for girls is 18 - the same as Canada, and older than what is legal in many States. Other Muslim countries have different laws and cultural standards. Pointing out these differences in women's status in Saudi vs. Egypt doesn't automatically mean I think Egypt is some paradise of female equality, because it isn't. And, just like in Canada - what is 'legal' isn't always what happens so no doubt girls younger than 18 marry. But people who paint a broad brush, as you do, on every single Muslim country/society/person as if they are exactly the same isn't trying to have a reasonable discussion about the issue of female equality or rights in Muslim-majority countries, or what challenges and cultural adjustments immigrants might face when they come to Canada: they are merely interested in 'proving' how backward, ignorant, misogynistic and unacceptable Muslims are. I don't *want* you to be a monster, what a remarkably stupid thing to say. And I am right. If you had any sense of history and the way in which public opinion is swayed against certain groups, you'd understand that the rhetoric against Muslims today is the same as the rhetoric that was used against Japanese in Canada and the States and in Germany against the Jews. Those groups were accused of undermining the cultural fabric of the society, of having an agenda to take over and impose their culture or laws on everyone, of being a threat to women and children - the same narrative being pushed by the anti-Muslim movement today. I have to admit that a part of me is fascinated watching the way in which people are swayed - I had always wondered how a whole society could turn a blind eye to what happened to the Japanese in Canada and the Jews in Germany. And while I assume that we will never get to the point where Muslims are rounded up and put into camps, I now see how that process happens, and that is really very interesting to me. However, the compassionate side of me doesn't want us going down that road at all, and so I continue to object to the the one-sided conversation the right-wing wants to have.

I think it's fair to say the feeling between the right and left is not just ill, it's outright dead. If there's anything the right and left agree on I'd be interested in knowing what it is.

I inferred as much from your opening post in this thread. Besides, Mulroney was a lefty as evidenced by the qualifier Progressive in his party's name.

Well, you were warned a decade and a half ago that standing around with our thumbs up our butts while our allies diddled smaller weaker countries would come back to haunt us. Why weren't you paying attention? Having too much fun laughing and rolling your eyes at all the silly lefties who were warning you would be my guess.

Yes but what's most noticable is that you only whine about it when you perceive anything left of the conservatives doing it.

Oh ffs...real lefties were warning you about this nearly 15 years ago. But did you listen? No, you were to busy laughing and rolling your eyes. Was it too much to ask governments to address the issues that were causing refugees? Of course it was because that would have interfered with efforts to exacerbate those issues. We deserve 10 times the amount of refugees we're getting. And fyi...you still haven't seen anything yet.

I think it provides a better opportunity to see everything you need to know about America's right-wing myself and a good part of Canada's too.

I suspect most people who recall the number of times you've peppered your posts with "ka ka", "poo poo" and "giggle giggle" will take any opinions you have about other people's capacities with a fairly massive grain of salt.

Read the Regina Manifesto, and remember that the NDP nationalized potash, oil pipelines, telephones, insurance, electricity, gas - you name it - plunging Saskatchewan into a development dead end for 40+ years. Even the federal government has to be cited for nationalizing much of the aviation industry, had a go at oil and gas with Petro-Can, declared its own monopoly on food through the Canadian Wheat Board. The leftist who did his very best to stall the end of the CWB is now Minister of "Public Safety" in the little Trudeau cabinet. Ever hear about cream quotas? Supply management is alive, if not very well.

I voted for Mulroney in 1988 though his failure on Meech Lake Accord and disastrous economy he left us by 1993, I voted for Liberals afterwards. Paul Martin's cuts were the necessary evil at the time. Canada would have remained in recession forever with rising deficits in a vicious circle of higher deficits and unemployment exactly the way it performed between 1882 to 1992. There was no such evil in 2012 other than getting Harper re--elected 3 years later which fortunately did not happen because of his disastrous campaign.