Carney yelling at Lib MPs, centralizing power

[Moonlight Graham]

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss:

"Several MPs told the Toronto Star this week that Carney has a penchant for lashing out [yelling] at caucus members, centralizing power, and ignoring their concerns."

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/the-story-is-wrong-liberal-caucus-chair-defends-carney-amid-reports-of-yelling-at-mps/

 

[John Johnston]

2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss:

"Several MPs told the Toronto Star this week that Carney has a penchant for lashing out [yelling] at caucus members, centralizing power, and ignoring their concerns."

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/the-story-is-wrong-liberal-caucus-chair-defends-carney-amid-reports-of-yelling-at-mps/

 

Liberal Caucus Chair James Maloney is vehemently denying the prime minister has a caucus management problem, pushing back on reporting from this week citing unnamed Liberal MPs accusing Mark Carney of being dismissive of the concerns they were raising, and yelling.

Oh no! :)

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss:

"Several MPs told the Toronto Star this week that Carney has a penchant for lashing out [yelling] at caucus members, centralizing power, and ignoring their concerns."

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/the-story-is-wrong-liberal-caucus-chair-defends-carney-amid-reports-of-yelling-at-mps/

 

This isn't the first time this has come up. And there's been plenty of stories from his previous jobs too. You can kind of see it in him when he answers questions he doesn't like from reporters.

He's already lost a minister over it and Steve suggested there were as many as 14 others who were getting pretty fed up. 

Carney has never been in politics,  he doesn't understand politics and he thinks it's just like running a business where he's a dictator at the top.  Basically he thinks he's donald trump. 

That will create more and more fractures over time for him. Even chretien wound up getting the boot by his caucus

[BeaverFever]

Yep this was reported before although there’s some disagreement about the yelling part there are awkward and tense exchanges.
 

With Carney, Men have to wear ties and black shoes to meetings, tardiness is unacceptable. “He doesn’t “suffer fools”.

When it’s your turn to speak on a topic “you had better be prepared with the facts and arguments because Carney always is”.  …interesting this something we heard specifically about Kamala Harris and Anita Anand BTW.

Criticism and disagreement is welcome only if it is accompanied by facts and is constructive with alternative proposals - otherwise it is unwelcome complaining and whining  and will be treated as such. 
 

But this is more about Carney lacking soft skills rather than “Trump the dictator” or Poillievre’s toxic workplace. Trump is an incompetent mad king who surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants. Carney by contrast has no patience for incompetence. He is an elite performer who expects others around him to be also. And unfortunately in politics many/most people you have to work with are better at schmoozing than managing. Poilievre is more about grudge-collecting vindictiveness and petty revenge over perceived slights from party members especially with that nasty little piece of work Jenny Bynre whom PP finally had the sense to jettison after she alienated so many potential allies and supporters. 
 

But yeah the Trudeau days are over, as if you need more proof that “just like Justin” was BS. and as the articles state there’s limited patience in the liberal caucus now for the left flank holdouts who won’t “get with the new program” 

Edited yesterday at 03:40 PM by BeaverFever

[John Johnston]

51 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Yep this was reported before although there’s some disagreement about the yelling part there are awkward and tense exchanges.
 

With Carney, Men have to wear ties and black shoes to meetings, tardiness is unacceptable. “He doesn’t “suffer fools”.

When it’s your turn to speak on a topic “you had better be prepared with the facts and because Carney always is”.  …something we heard about Kamala Harris Anita Anand BTW.

Criticism and disagreement is welcome only if it is accompanied by facts and is constructive with alternative proposals - otherwise it is unwelcome complaining and whining  and will be treated as such. 
 

But this is more about Carney lacking soft skills rather than “Trump the dictator” or Poillievre’s toxic workplace. Trump is an incompetent mad king who surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants. Carney by contrast has no patience for incompetence. He is an elite performer who expects others around him to be also. And unfortunately in politics many/most people you have to work with are better at schmoozing than managing. Poilievre is more about grudge-collecting vindictiveness and petty revenge over perceived slights from party members especially with that nasty little piece of work Jenny Bynre whom PP finally had the sense to jettison after she alienated so many potential allies and supporters. 
 

But yeah the Trudeau days are over, as if you need more proof that “just like Justin” was BS. and as the articles state there’s limited patience in the liberal caucus now for the left flank holdouts who won’t “get with the new program” 

Indeed. 

[Michael Hardner]

Not relevant even if true.

 

The main thing to realize is that the private personas of these leaders are generated through an expensive PR machine.

 

 

[Michael Hardner]

I don't know if the PM is a wooden, heartless, neoliberal puppet or not. He just plays one on TV. 

I don't know if the opposition leader is a smarmy, faux nerd, smart aleck.  He just plays one on TV. 

The other leaders are just the cards that you throw in when someone leads with the right bower.

That's a euchre reference for people outside Ontario.

Edited yesterday at 02:50 PM by Michael Hardner

[John Johnston]

Can't have a Leader acting like a Leader. This will not do. Somebody might get their feelers hurt. 

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, John Johnston said:

Can't have a Leader acting like a Leader. This will not do. Somebody might get their feelers hurt. 

The important thing is that everybody says good things about their team and bad things about the other team. 

Both Pierre and Mark have rankled their teams...

[WestCanMan]

17 hours ago, John Johnston said:

Liberal Caucus Chair James Maloney is vehemently denying the prime minister has a caucus management problem

That article is from The Star...

You're telling us that a reporter popped his head out of Carney's ass to make him look bad?

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

The important thing is that everybody says good things about their team and bad things about the other team. 

Both Pierre and Mark have rankled their teams...

This isn't a both sides issue.

Poilievre's support from inside the party is extremely strong, and he doesn't belittle and berate his MPs in order to stay on top: he leads by setting a very solid example.

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The important thing is that everybody says good things about their team and bad things about the other team. 

The Star's loyalty of the Liberals' team is legendary. 

The Star's criticisms of the Liberals' team is extremely rare. They have dodged the truth for years in support of the Liberals.

The fact of the matter is that right now they're not ahead of this story, or in time with it, they are just telling us now that the cat is already out of the bag.

Two MPs are resigning, Michael... People know about it. The Star can't just ignore everything that's happening. They have to at least tell the very minimum to maintain the illusion. 

Edited 23 hours ago by WestCanMan

[Legato]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Yep this was reported before although there’s some disagreement about the yelling part there are awkward and tense exchanges.
 

With Carney, Men have to wear ties and black shoes to meetings, tardiness is unacceptable. “He doesn’t “suffer fools”.

When it’s your turn to speak on a topic “you had better be prepared with the facts and arguments because Carney always is”.  …interesting this something we heard specifically about Kamala Harris and Anita Anand BTW.

Criticism and disagreement is welcome only if it is accompanied by facts and is constructive with alternative proposals - otherwise it is unwelcome complaining and whining  and will be treated as such. 
 

But this is more about Carney lacking soft skills rather than “Trump the dictator” or Poillievre’s toxic workplace. Trump is an incompetent mad king who surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants. Carney by contrast has no patience for incompetence. He is an elite performer who expects others around him to be also. And unfortunately in politics many/most people you have to work with are better at schmoozing than managing. Poilievre is more about grudge-collecting vindictiveness and petty revenge over perceived slights from party members especially with that nasty little piece of work Jenny Bynre whom PP finally had the sense to jettison after she alienated so many potential allies and supporters. 
 

But yeah the Trudeau days are over, as if you need more proof that “just like Justin” was BS. and as the articles state there’s limited patience in the liberal caucus now for the left flank holdouts who won’t “get with the new program” 

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

But this is more about Carney lacking soft skills rather than “Trump the dictator” or Poillievre’s toxic workplace.

LOL no it is not'    It's EXACTLY about toxic workspace, which is a term others have used to describe his workspaces before as well. 

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He's very trumpesque by all reports.  It's not that he doesn't 'suffer fools', it's that it's his way or the highway. And those who disagree get shouted at or demeaned. 

Now, some bosses are just like that i guess.  But -  this is going to cause him problems. For people to be openly talking about it outside of caucus it's got to be pretty bad. 

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

With Carney, Men have to wear ties and black shoes to meetings, tardiness is unacceptable. “He doesn’t “suffer fools”. When it’s your turn to speak on a topic “you had better be prepared with the facts and arguments because Carney always is”.  …interesting this something we heard specifically about Kamala Harris and Anita Anand BTW.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/768843049363020

Carney: "Uhhhh, duuuhhh, ummmmmm, weeelllll. I dunno. I'm had uhhhh meetings with ummm investors who I uhhh can't name and I can't say ummmmm why they wanna invest in uhhhh our infrastructure or what they'll uhhhh get out of it. At the present ummmm time, the fact is that uhhhh a uhhhhh whole lotta nothin' has umm happened, but the lunches were specTACular." 😂

[Army Guy]

9 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Yep this was reported before although there’s some disagreement about the yelling part there are awkward and tense exchanges.
 

With Carney, Men have to wear ties and black shoes to meetings, tardiness is unacceptable. “He doesn’t “suffer fools”.

When it’s your turn to speak on a topic “you had better be prepared with the facts and arguments because Carney always is”.  …interesting this something we heard specifically about Kamala Harris and Anita Anand BTW.

Criticism and disagreement is welcome only if it is accompanied by facts and is constructive with alternative proposals - otherwise it is unwelcome complaining and whining  and will be treated as such. 
 

But this is more about Carney lacking soft skills rather than “Trump the dictator” or Poillievre’s toxic workplace. Trump is an incompetent mad king who surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants. Carney by contrast has no patience for incompetence. He is an elite performer who expects others around him to be also. And unfortunately in politics many/most people you have to work with are better at schmoozing than managing. Poilievre is more about grudge-collecting vindictiveness and petty revenge over perceived slights from party members especially with that nasty little piece of work Jenny Bynre whom PP finally had the sense to jettison after she alienated so many potential allies and supporters. 
 

But yeah the Trudeau days are over, as if you need more proof that “just like Justin” was BS. and as the articles state there’s limited patience in the liberal caucus now for the left flank holdouts who won’t “get with the new program” 

So what your saying here is that incompetence in Justin's looney liberals was just Justin that was incompetent, his staff were elite ....because Carneys liberal MP are the same as Justin MP's... with a few exceptions....and they could not organize a gang bang at the local hoe store...

And as for the elite performer...i'm sure he thinks he is, but that's not what others in the many jobs he has had  are saying that have worked with him....

[August1991]

By every account that I've heard:

-Carney is an arrogant, Enron, smartest guy in the room.

-the federal Liberals chose him because Trudeau Jnr was a loser

[Army Guy]

12 hours ago, August1991 said:

By every account that I've heard:

-Carney is an arrogant, Enron, smartest guy in the room.

-the federal Liberals chose him because Trudeau Jnr was a loser

And yet what does that say about the Canadians that voted for him 3 times in a row...it might suggest they are gullible, not very smart, or liked the the destructive policies of his government..... 

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

And yet what does that say about the Canadians that voted for him 3 times in a row...it might suggest they are gullible, not very smart, or liked the the destructive policies of his government..... 

????  For carney?  They only voted for him once so far i think.

[WestCanMan]

12 hours ago, August1991 said:

the federal Liberals chose him because Trudeau Jnr was a loser

Funny how CBC can decide that every conservative leader is a loser the instant that they're selected but that they didn't notice that about Trudeau after 10 years.

[WestCanMan]

22 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

And yet what does that say about the Canadians that voted for him 3 times in a row...it might suggest they are gullible, not very smart, or liked the the destructive policies of his government..... 

Buddy, we have a fair cross-section of those people here.

When did you ever notice eyeball, moonbox, exflyer, herbie, MH, etc seeming to be open-minded, intelligent, conscientious, balanced, or mature?

All but one of them meet fair critiques of their cult-leaders with ad hominem attacks and childish accusations. In the case of MH, he ignores anything that he can't deny and regurgitates all the popular left4rd platitudes.

At what stage of the game do you think any of those guys ever got to a point where their confirmation bias would allow them to see anything the LPoC did as a failure? 

If ^^that's^^ not a parody of LPoC cultists, it's only because it lacks exaggeration. 

[LinkSoul60]

15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Funny how CBC can decide that every conservative leader is a loser

CBC didn't decide anything. They just reported it as it was, and is....

2015 Harper = Loser

2019 Scheer = Loser

2021 O'Toole = Loser

2025 Poilievre = Loser

Today Poilievre = Loser

Them's the facts.... Loser

[WestCanMan]

20 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

^^Loser^^

^^Loser^^

^^Loser^^

^^Loser^^

^^Loser^^

^^Loser^^

They didn't wait until after the election, dummy. They said it constantly, and they lied about it.

Just look at CBC now: they're still busy fishing for anyone who ever identified as a conservative that doesn't like Pierre Poilievre, but they can't find anyone t interview who can critique ayatollah Carney after 1 yr+ of constant failure.

CBC: "Canada is failing, and it's Poilievre's fault." That's what we get. 

[LinkSoul60]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

They didn't wait until after the election, dummy. They said it constantly, and they lied about it.

Just look at CBC now: they're still busy fishing for anyone who ever identified as a conservative that doesn't like Pierre Poilievre, but they can't find anyone t interview who can critique ayatollah Carney after 1 yr+ of constant failure.

CBC: "Canada is failing, and it's Poilievre's fault." That's what we get. 

On any political shows I've watched on CBC (Power & Politics & Rosemary Barton) there is always conservative and NDP guests for 'the other sides' perspective.  How is that bias to liberals?

CBC has not said "Canada is failing, and it's Poilievre's fault." that I'm aware of.  Why would they when he's have zero influence on anything?  

[Moonbox]

16 hours ago, Army Guy said:

And as for the elite performer...i'm sure he thinks he is, but that's not what others in the many jobs he has had  are saying that have worked with him....

Too bad that reviews for him come from more than purely Conservative lenses.  You do realize that there is information out there in the big wide world outside your narrow little echo chamber, right? 

Nobody cares whether you think he's an elite performer.  You're gauging him on almost literally nothing but his party affiliation, which is all you ever do.  

Maybe you can tell us more about what Liz Truss thinks...🫠

Edited 1 hour ago by Moonbox

[WestCanMan]

9 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

On any political shows I've watched on CBC (Power & Politics & Rosemary Barton) there is always conservative and NDP guests for 'the other sides' perspective.  How is that bias to liberals?

So you admit to watching CBC's political coverage 😂

FYI that's no different from watching the NoKo political shows and calling them "information". 

When the CBC gets "conservatives" who work for Ford, and just want to complain about about Poilievre, that doesn't count as a "conservative" POV 😉

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CBC has not said "Canada is failing, and it's Poilievre's fault." that I'm aware of.  Why would they when he's have zero influence on anything?  

I can't find their story now, but it wasn't that long ago that a leftist narrative, to the tune of "Poilievre's lack of ideas as opposition leader is part of Canada's problem", came from the CBC. 

Every week there's a new attack line from the MSM about Poilievre, even if it's just to say things like "Poilievre is blaming Carney for the recession but it's not his fault!!!!!!!", always forgetting that it was Carney who promised Canadians that we would lead the G7, not trail the entire G20, not Poilievre.