The Climate Crisis is a global scam

[Goddess]

14 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Really? I've never seen anyone, no legitimate source, state that.

I just posted a link that they want the spending to go up by 5X.  I saw that figure in a lot of articles, but I just posted the one.

In Canada, our Net Zero initiatives are consuming vast sums of money.  And it's devastated parts of Europe.

I watch this podcast a fair bit.  This interview from a month ago, with an unfortunate title that includes the name Trump, but barely mentions him, it explains how Net Zero and anti-industry mania has tanked the UK economy and Germany, as well.

I don't think you have made yourself aware of the what the actual results are of your climate fanaticism.  You should not ignore that.  I kind of think you will, though.

 

[User]

3 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Like I said, you didn't get it. Scientific fact deniers, otherwise known as id!ots!

Tell us more about your thoughts on men who think they are women.

Can you define woman in any meaningful way? 
 

Let’s talk about the unborn child, is it a human life with any right to life? 
 

You folks on the left deny science when it is convenient for you. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Like I said, you didn't get it. Scientific fact deniers, otherwise known as id!ots!

And once again you can't defend your position or make a rational argument so you simply switch to insults. Why don't you just answer his question?

[Michael Hardner]

14 hours ago, Legato said:

 

Then please read it.

 

Ok, I guess I misunderstood why you were asking for an 'example' ... sorry.  Anyway JS provided one.

55 minutes ago, Goddess said:

 

I watch this podcast a fair bit.   

 

Scary Music - check
Catchy scary graphics - check

This is entertainment, not information.

I didn't see the link before - can you post it ?

[LinkSoul60]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And once again you can't defend your position or make a rational argument so you simply switch to insults. Why don't you just answer his question?

Barquentine can answer for themselves, but think for a minute about the stupidity of your question....

'Tell us more about your thoughts on men who think they are women.'

'Can you define woman in any meaningful way?'

'Let’s talk about the unborn child, is it a human life with any right to life?'

 

How and why would he or anyone with half a brain for that matter try to answer those moronic so-called questions.  You id*ots are just that....id*ots, but sure as hell fun to laugh at!  

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, John Stone said:

Some people continue to claim the Earth is flat.

 

Who?

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For them scientific proof to the contrary is a lie – doctored.

SO.... liberals?

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It isn’t simply the shape of the spaceship tho; it is about distrusting anything/everything,  official – the scientific  community, the medical community ………. indeed any government institution. 

So... first nations?

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Politically, it is about grooming the  distrust and exploiting it.

So.... Barrack obama?

 

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Flat earth, measles, vax,  climate change, 9/11, Germans bombing  Pearl, Elvis alive on Mars, elections,   all follow the game plan; groom distrust. …………. the ethernet is the global leverage.

Germans bombing pearl?!?! 

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A disingenuous political hack (all to a more or less degree) objective is to destroy societal norms.

So ... the left?

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Oh yeah, climate change is real, vax saves lives and Elvis is not alive on Mars. 

Pffft, like you've ever been to mars  LOLOL

So the answer was no. You've never met a flat earther.  They just exist in your mind because your echo chamber on the internet told you to think that. 

I suspect a lot of the things you believe in are made up.

[WestCanMan]

57 minutes ago, Goddess said:

In Canada, our Net Zero initiatives are consuming vast sums of money.  And it's devastated parts of Europe.

Poor choice of words 😉:

• Net Zero initiatives are redirecting vast sums of money from the things that Canadian taxpayers want & need into the hands of LPoC cronies via their bogus green scams.

[WestCanMan]

6 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Barquentine can answer for themselves, but think for a minute about the stupidity of your question....

 

'Tell us more about your thoughts on men who think they are women.'

'Can you define woman in any meaningful way?'

'Let’s talk about the unborn child, is it a human life with any right to life?'

 

How and why would he or anyone with half a brain for that matter try to answer those moronic so-called questions.  You id*ots are just that....id*ots, but sure as hell fun to laugh at!  

You're the ones who thought that those were issues, dummy 🤣

FYI conservatives weren't walking around thinking that men could have babies, and we certainly weren't trying to convince little children that they could change their sex and then procreate as a member of the opposite sex you evil donkey. 

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Barquentine can answer for themselves,

Themselves? How many of him are there in that head of his?

 

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but think for a minute about the stupidity of your question....

My question was why not answer his question?  That's a pretty normal question    You seem to be tying my question in with other questions. LOL  Now i'm thinking more about the stupidity of someone who complains about someone's question and gets the wrong question   

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'Tell us more about your thoughts on men who think they are women.'

'Can you define woman in any meaningful way?'

'Let’s talk about the unborn child, is it a human life with any right to life?'

 

All questions that have been heavily discussed in recent years. 

 

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How and why would he or anyone with half a brain for that matter try to answer those moronic so-called questions.  You id*ots are just that....id*ots, but sure as hell fun to laugh at!  

Why wouldn't he? As I said those are being questions that have been discussed in society quite a bit in the last four or five years. One would normally expect to be asked questions in a discussion forum and if one believes in what one is saying then they should have an answer.

Just like I was able to answer your question. 

When I feed us or egg transitions from simply living tissue to an actual human with rights attached is one of the foremost questions of our time. There's nothing silly about it

The definition of woman has also been a massive weight debated topic which has made its way even to the united states congress and committees. In fact there's cases in front of the Supreme Court of Canada right now asking that very question

And transgenderism has been a massive topic, even on this forum

None of those are silly questions. None of them were asked in a rude way or even in a leading way. They're legitimate questions and the fact that many people have a difficult time answering them is a valid point

 

So the only stupid person I see around here is you. You didn't realize those were important questions and valid then you should probably restrict your conversation to topics you can handle like Lego

[Goddess]

23 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

This is entertainment, not information.

It's an interview.

Yes, it's an opinion, but you seem to reject outright, with no thought or investigation, any opinion that differs from your own.

It seems very difficult for you to consider that others may have some good points, even when their overall opinion differs from yours.

 

Edited March 10 by Goddess

[Michael Hardner]

5 minutes ago, Goddess said:

 

1. Yes, it's an opinion, but you seem to reject outright, with no thought or investigation, any opinion that differs from your own.

2. It seems very difficult for you to consider that others may have some good points, even when their overall opinion differs from yours.

 

1. Incorrect. I've looked at the claims from actual climate scientists who opposed the status quo. 

I don't have to waste time on things that I recognize are set up as entertainment. And I can tell that by looking at it, for the reasons I stated. 

There are enough people on here who write off someone because they have blue hair. Or won't listen to someone because of their politics.  

I don't do that, I filter out disinformation entertainment And trolling. 

2. No. I've looked at it. You mentioned that some people have outlined that climate change has been mitigated, and I asked you what those sources were. So you seem to ignore those. Why? 

I also don't pay attention to political, or scaremongering YouTube's that push the narrative that we are doomed due to climate change. 

...

So no, I don't accept your criticism here. 

When I read people who misrepresent what I have said, it makes me not want to engage with them. Are you aware that I have not made The same kind of statements about the economics of climate change mitigation than I have about the science itself?

It's because I care more about the public sphere than any of this.

Edited March 10 by Michael Hardner

[Goddess]

The "99% of scientists consensus" study by Lynas et al. that has been loudly touted, is based on a flawed study.

Here is a critique of the paper:  (Not the article I was looking for but still good.)

Ninety-Nine Percent? Re-Examining the Consensus on the Anthropogenic Contribution to Climate Change

Basically, the majority of papers looked at in the Lynas study were actually NEUTRAL in regard to the effect of man-made climate change, but were included in the PRO group.

It also highlights the existence of "mellow abstract bias."

And the fact that scientists who disagree with the "It's all caused by man" narrative often are censored, don't receive grants and blacklisted.  So they either are directly censored or self-censor themselves.

There is less of a consensus than you think.

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I filter out disinformation entertainment And trolling.

I filter out information based on who is paying for the study, for one.

Do you disagree that "climate crisis" information has a monetary backing?  Or that just doesn't bother you?

It seems like you're okay with these types of scams, as long as they make you feel morally superior.

[Goddess]

35 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I didn't see the link before - can you post it ?

Annual finance for climate action surpasses USD 1 trillion, but far from levels needed to avoid devastating future losses - CPI

Climate change: What we will need to spend, and what we will need to change, to reach net zero | McKinsey

Climate proposal would see rich countries pay $250B a year - POLITICO

Climate Finance and the USD 100 billion goal | OECD

Climate change: Reaching net zero will require real costs and real changes | Fortune

 

Apparently we are going to solve the "crisis" by throwing massive amounts of money at it and turning the whole world into the 3rd world.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, John Stone said:

Some people continue to claim the Earth is flat.

For them scientific proof to the contrary is a lie – doctored.

If the CBC and CNN say the earth is flat tomorrow, don't pretend that you won't believe them. 

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It isn’t simply the shape of the spaceship tho; it is about distrusting anything/everything,  official – the scientific  community, the medical community ………. indeed any government institution. 

If you still wanna believe that:

1. the jabs are safe
2. you can't give covid to granny if you're jabbed
3. you won't get sick if you're jabbed
4. the virus came from interactions between bats -> pangolins (or another intermediary species) -> humans
5. "making the coronavirus more transmissible between human cells did not constitute GoF research"
6. healthy young adults need to take a vaccine to protect them from covid...

that's your f'ing problem, not mine. And it just means that you're stupid, John, it doesn't mean that you have a better understanding of science than we do. You're just a cultist who will never stop believing what he's told no matter how much evidence is placed before you.

Do you even understand the irony of mocking people who "believe that the earth is flat", while you still believe that the jabs are safe and that you can't give granny covid or get sick if you're jabbed? 🤣

FYI that stuff was NEVER science, dummy. Not even for one second, because legitimate scientists never said any of those things, and anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of medicine knew that those were impossible promises when they were made, and that they were lies when we were told that those things were actually being proven in the real world. 

We weren't "ignorant of science", we were just immune to stupid BS, which you can't seem to get enough of.

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Politically, it is about grooming the  distrust and exploiting it.

Of course we distrust CBC. They are liars and propagandists though and through you f'ing m0r0n. And if you don't know that by now you are 100% ret4rded. There are no adults left in Canada who don't know that the CBC overtly favours the LPoC. 

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Flat earth, measles, vax,  climate change, 9/11, Germans bombing  Pearl, Elvis alive on Mars, elections,   all follow the game plan; groom distrust. …………. the ethernet is the global leverage.

OMG, there you go talking about sheeple getting sucked in again lol.

Do you wear a T-shirt that says "kick me" on the back? And why? 

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A disingenuous political hack (all to a more or less degree) objective is to destroy societal norms.

"The religion of peace"

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Oh yeah, [1] climate change is real, [2] vax saves lives and [3] Elvis is not alive on Mars. 

1. climate change is normal, and humans do not drive it
2. jabs NEVER should have been inflicted on the unwilling, and especially not on healthy young adults and children: there was never a single shred of scientific evidence that said it was even worth considering 
3. I don't know how you got that one right. Thank God I never placed a bet.

[WestCanMan]

16 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I don't do that, I filter out disinformation entertainment And trolling. 

BS.

When the CBC and CTV said that the Freedom Convoy was a sea of swstikas and confederate flags you parroted that claim here for months without seeing any evidence whatsoever.

Then you refused to find fault with the PM saying that "The unvaxxed are very often racists and misogynists, and the question that we need to ask ourselves as Canadians is 'should we tolerate these people'?"

FYI the guy who said that also built "voluntary covid self-isolation centres" in Auschwitz, Yukon, but he initially lied and said that no such buildings existed. He also froze the bank accounts of political dissidents. His police stole gas from Canadians and beat them in the street after they had surrendered peacefully. He forced Canadians to carry around a gesundheitspass based on false medical narratives. 

Stop pretending to be a guy with his eyes open, Mike. You're a dangerous little cultist sap; the kind who still refuses to believe anything's wrong even when human ashes are falling on him. 

[Goddess]

18 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I don't do that, I filter out disinformation entertainment And trolling. 

I also will point out that you filter out a LOT of information that isn't entertainment or trolling.

I recall you saying that you reject any science from anyone that is NOT a "climate scientist".

To me, the study of climate dynamics involves a wide array of scientific fields - physics, earth science, meteorology, chemistry, mathematics, data science, geology and oceanography, just to name a few.

Many "climate scientists" are failed physicists or other mathematicians who couldn't find work in their own field of study, so they applied for jobs in academia or federal employees with jobs that have broad prerequisites.  And they know where the money is right now.

I think "climate scientist" is a stupid term that no one should use without air quotes.

It's the same with the issues with vaccines.  There is a broad range of science to consider - vaccinology, immunology, biology, molecular biology, data scientists and also scientists who are experts in their individual anatomy fields - cardiology, neurology, hematology.

When you outright reject a large body of related sciences - you will not be getting the full picture.

[Goddess]

24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Stop pretending to be a guy with his eyes open, Mike.

Calling people CHUDS who don't agree with him, loudly announcing various posters as being "ignored" and demanding others leave the forum.......YUP.

38 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

there was never a single shred of scientific evidence that said it was even worth considering 

The covid years will go down in history as the widescale rejection of science in favour of industry bureaucrats, most of whom hadn't touched a patient or written a paper in decades.

[John Stone]

44 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

If the CBC and CNN say the earth is flat tomorrow, don't pretend that you won't believe them. 

If you still wanna believe that:

1. the jabs are safe
2. you can't give covid to granny if you're jabbed
3. you won't get sick if you're jabbed
4. the virus came from interactions between bats -> pangolins (or another intermediary species) -> humans
5. "making the coronavirus more transmissible between human cells did not constitute GoF research"
6. healthy young adults need to take a vaccine to protect them from covid...

that's your f'ing problem, not mine. And it just means that you're stupid, John, it doesn't mean that you have a better understanding of science than we do. You're just a cultist who will never stop believing what he's told no matter how much evidence is placed before you.

Do you even understand the irony of mocking people who "believe that the earth is flat", while you still believe that the jabs are safe and that you can't give granny covid or get sick if you're jabbed? 🤣

FYI that stuff was NEVER science, dummy. Not even for one second, because legitimate scientists never said any of those things, and anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of medicine knew that those were impossible promises when they were made, and that they were lies when we were told that those things were actually being proven in the real world. 

We weren't "ignorant of science", we were just immune to stupid BS, which you can't seem to get enough of.

Of course we distrust CBC. They are liars and propagandists though and through you f'ing m0r0n. And if you don't know that by now you are 100% ret4rded. There are no adults left in Canada who don't know that the CBC overtly favours the LPoC. 

OMG, there you go talking about sheeple getting sucked in again lol.

Do you wear a T-shirt that says "kick me" on the back? And why? 

"The religion of peace"

1. climate change is normal, and humans do not drive it
2. jabs NEVER should have been inflicted on the unwilling, and especially not on healthy young adults and children: there was never a single shred of scientific evidence that said it was even worth considering 
3. I don't know how you got that one right. Thank God I never placed a bet.

ha ha - dude, ur the reason they put instructions on a toothpaste tube.

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Calling people CHUDS who don't agree with him, loudly announcing various posters as being "ignored" and demanding others leave the forum.......YUP.

He sounds like Trudeau, or Carney.

Demanding the right to control speech on the internet is their thing.

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The covid years will go down in history as the widescale rejection of science in favour of industry bureaucrats, most of whom hadn't touched a patient or written a paper in decades.

For me it's when I realized that I was completely surrounded by mindless cultists who had no regard whatsoever for the lives of their fellow Canadians, and were even willing to  throw Canadians youths under the bus when it served them. 

I lost most of what respect I had left for Canadians in general that that point. As a nation, we are scum. 

[John Stone]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Who?

SO.... liberals?

So... first nations?

So.... Barrack obama?

 

Germans bombing pearl?!?! 

So ... the left?

Pffft, like you've ever been to mars  LOLOL

So the answer was no. You've never met a flat earther.  They just exist in your mind because your echo chamber on the internet told you to think that. 

I suspect a lot of the things you believe in are made up.

 - ur adorable when u try to be clever............. maybe try harder?  

[robosmith]

54 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Apparently we are going to solve the "crisis" by throwing massive amounts of money at it and turning the whole world into the 3rd world.

In reality, the elimination of fossil fuel pollution will save MILLIONS of LIVES.

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Eliminating fossil fuel pollution is estimated to save millions of lives annually, with studies showing that phasing out fossil fuels could avoid over 5 million premature deaths globally each year. Air pollution from fossil fuels is linked to 61% of total global deaths from fine particles and ozone. 

National Institutes of Health (.gov) +3

Key Findings on Health Benefits:

• Global Impact: Air pollution from burning fossil fuels kills an estimated 5.1 million people each year.
• Avoidable Deaths: A total, rapid phaseout of fossil fuels could prevent over 5 million deaths annually.
• Long-Term Gains: Cutting carbon emissions could prevent up to 153 million premature deaths worldwide this century.
• Specific Causes: Over 50% of these deaths are related to cardiometabolic conditions, particularly ischemic heart disease (30%), along with stroke and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.
• Regional Impact (U.S.): In the U.S., cutting fossil fuel air pollution could prevent more than 50,000 premature deaths and provide over 
  

   
   billion in health benefits annually. 
  ScienceDaily +6

Beyond mortality, reducing these emissions significantly lowers the burden on global health systems.

 

[WestCanMan]

6 minutes ago, John Stone said:

ha ha - dude, ur the reason they put instructions on a toothpaste tube.

You just got busted, 100%, for being a cultist dolt.

I took your own insult and proved why it should actually be tattooed on your forehead as a warning to others, and you fired back with a childish insult 🤣

ha ha

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Barquentine can answer for themselves, but think for a minute about the stupidity of your question....

 

'Tell us more about your thoughts on men who think they are women.'

'Can you define woman in any meaningful way?'

'Let’s talk about the unborn child, is it a human life with any right to life?'

 

How and why would he or anyone with half a brain for that matter try to answer those moronic so-called questions.  You id*ots are just that....id*ots, but sure as hell fun to laugh at!  

Oh...avoid avoid...

[User]

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

 

How and why would he or anyone with half a brain for that matter try to answer those moronic so-called questions.  You id*ots are just that....id*ots, but sure as hell fun to laugh at!  

Same people:

OMG The Science! TM

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Men can be women, no literally, they have no biological advantages, are exactly the same, and get to share the bathrooms and participate in sports, like totally same. How dare you “assign” sex at birth, it’s something the child will determine later on its own and we must affirm them! 

also

Unborn children are just a clump of cells and can be destroyed, but we also need to save the Sea Turtle eggs, because those are totally Sea Turtles. 
 

You people have no hold on claiming to believe in science