blackbird Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 Carney's trade deal with China allows 49,000 EVs to come into Canada at a 6.1% tariff in exchange for China reducing tariffs on Canadian canola and some other things. Premier Ford doesn't accept it and seems to think the only thing Canada should look out for is the auto industry at the expense of the agricultural industry and other industries in Canada. The truth is no deal can be reached unless there is some compromise from both sides. That is a simple fact of life. Compromise is necessary in many spheres of life in order to resolve issues. Without compromise, the results would often be disaster for one party or another. Ford doesn't seem to understand this. The Canadians auto industry produces over a million vehicles. So allowing China to sell 49,000 EVs in Canada is not a large number. It is less than 5% of the number of vehicles the Canadian auto industry manufacturers. So what is the problem? Hard to understand Ford. He is being very narrow-minded and not thinking about the rest of Canada and the hundreds of thousands of jos across Canada that are affected by having no deal with China. The canola industry apparently affects around 200,000 jobs according to one article. There are also jobs in seafood that are affected by the tariffs. So I think Ford should be a little more reasonable and consider the rest of Canada, not just his little voter base in the auto industry. Again 49,000 EVs is not that many and it will enable some Canadians to buy vehicles more in line with what they can afford. Ontario premier slams Canada’s 'lopsided' new EV deal with China Quote
Legato Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 Ford shoved Poilievre away to climb into bed with the Carney, now the bed bugs are biting. Oh goody we can now buy a cheap nasty Chinese firebomb. 2 1 Quote
Politics1990 Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 hes just being a twat. annoyed about 49000 chineese ev's lol what a fool 2 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 11 minutes ago, Politics1990 said: hes just being a twat. annoyed about 49000 chineese ev's lol what a fool Ford is the better politician so it's hard to say if he is making a claim for what's real, or for what plays with his audience. Carney needs to do more for the West, in terms of actual improvements and perception. Scott Moe going to China ... will that help him or hurt him ? 15 minutes ago, Legato said: we can now buy a cheap nasty Chinese firebomb. I hear the cars are bad. I hear they won't sell any. 1 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Legato Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: I hear the cars are bad. I hear they won't sell any. Some people will buy just because. Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 Fact is... Carney made a deal for Canada and Canadians. Ford is pi$$ed because it affects auto workers in Ontario The fact is there are far more Canadians in the agriculture sector than in the auto sector. "In Canada, the agriculture and agri-food sector employs significantly more people (2.3 million in 2024) than the automotive sector (approximately 125,000 direct workers in 2024" "Agriculture: This figure accounts for the entire agriculture and agri-food value chain, providing approximately 1 in every 9 jobs in Canada. The primary agriculture industry alone employed around 256,400 workers in 2023. A significant portion of the workforce includes temporary foreign workers, accounting for nearly one in four agricultural employees" "Automotive Sector: This includes jobs in motor vehicle assembly and parts manufacturing. The industry also supports an additional 427,000 indirect jobs through related services like aftermarket and dealership networks. Ontario is the primary employer, accounting for 82% of all auto workers in the country." 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ironstone Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: I hear the cars are bad. I hear they won't sell any. I'm not sure about that. I love to watch a lot of automotive stuff on YouTube and I constantly hear how terrible Kia and Hyundai's are but the roads are full of them. The Canadian auto sector won't want Chinese EV's here. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
Politics1990 Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Ford is the better politician so it's hard to say if he is making a claim for what's real, or for what plays with his audience. Carney needs to do more for the West, in terms of actual improvements and perception. Scott Moe going to China ... will that help him or hurt him ? I hear the cars are bad. I hear they won't sell any. ford is a scumbag lol Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 6 minutes ago, Politics1990 said: ford is a scumbag lol Not relevant. 1 1 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Politics1990 Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Not relevant. oh it is.. the guy wanted trump to win the election then pretended to be captain team canada when trump went rogue.. and whole media was praising him for helping lead canada .. made me sick Quote
CdnFox Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 Carney says China more reliable than U.S. as he touts EV deal PM agrees to drop EV tariffs on Chinese vehicles but doesn't get canola tariffs dropped in exchange. Canada drops tariffs, gets nothing in return His big announcement, though, was that Canada would lift the 100% tariff on Chinese electric vehicles, yet China has not committed to lifting their tariffs on Canadian canola products. Instead, the documents released by the government simply state that, “Canada expects that China will lower tariffs on Canadian canola seed” by March 1. PM Mark Carney says China more reliable than U.S. as he touts EV deal | Toronto Sun So we agreed to allow china to dump a whole bunch of cheap TVs onto Canadian markets and we didn't actually get much in return. This will give china a permanent inroad into Canadian vehicle markets because they will need to be able to sell parts here for those vehicles. Meanwhile even if china does give us a discount on our canola tariffs they only have to do so till the end of 2026. So basically mark sold us out for nothing. He's given the Chinese what he wants without getting what we need and he's buying time. And that's why ford is angry, he trusted carney blindly and thought he was his super bestie better than the restie, and so ford didn't bother going on the trip and now ontario's auto industry has been cracked and that crack will spread and carney didn't even get something in return, 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 2 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Fact is... Carney made a deal for Canada and Canadians. Sadly that's not the case. We don't even get anything guaranteed out of this deal The Chinese get to sell us cars and we hope that they will reduce the tariffs by some amount for the remainder of 2026 on canola. We didn't get the amount in writing and it's only good for the year So no, this is a deal for the Chinese. 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 2 hours ago, Legato said: Some people will buy just because. @Michael Hardner Is unfortunately wrong. And more pressingly you can bet the ones we get will be there absolute best This is their Ploy. Once those are sold in the Canadian Market people will be talking about how great they are and how cheap they are and how happy they are with them, and they absolutely will be for the first couple of years. And others will be clamoring that they walk one too and that they should be available. And there will be a great deal of political pressure and support for allowing more Chinese EVS into the market That is precisely what will happen and ford is aware of it 3 hours ago, Legato said: Ford shoved Poilievre away to climb into bed with the Carney, now the bed bugs are biting. Exactly. People do not realize how much of a snake carney is. For trusted him fell in love with him and they had their sleepover and they were all great bestest Buddies, but carney doesn't actually care about that. And this is going to wind up hurting for more than he was like. But in the end it's the people of Ontario that will pay 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 (edited) 8 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Sadly that's not the case. We don't even get anything guaranteed out of this deal The Chinese get to sell us cars and we hope that they will reduce the tariffs by some amount for the remainder of 2026 on canola. We didn't get the amount in writing and it's only good for the year So no, this is a deal for the Chinese. OK...we get electric cars The US is pi$$ed off but who cares. https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/us-says-canadas-decision-allow-164752253.html We got a deal so you can stop whining now LOL "By March 1st, 2026, Canada expects that China will lower tariffs on Canadian canola seed to a combined rate of approximately 15%" https://www.reuters.com/world/china/canada-china-set-make-historic-gains-new-partnership-says-carney-2026-01-16/ Edited January 16 by ExFlyer 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 Just now, ExFlyer said: OK...we get electric cars No, we have to give up money for the electric cars. China gets to sell us the electric cars Quote We got a deal so you can stop whining now LOL That's actually a deal for China not Canada When they decide to allow us to sell them something new not when they allow us to give them our money Quote "By March 1st, 2026, Canada expects that China will lower tariffs on Canadian canola seed to a combined rate of approximately 15%" Canada EXPECTS In other words he didn't even get it in writing. They've just told him they'll think about it and he's hopeful. He gave the a guarantee for a maybe. And there's nothing to say they can't increase it again. But we've committed to the cars. And we basically elimnated the tariffs for them, but we'll still have 15 percent. To sell them food they need. Sigh. we got sold out kiddo. Carney will say that it was necessary to build a relationship and we'll actually get a deal later. But at the end of the day this is a deal for the chinese, not canada 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Legato Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 16 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: OK...we get electric cars The US is pi$$ed off but who cares. https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/us-says-canadas-decision-allow-164752253.html We got a deal so you can stop whining now LOL "By March 1st, 2026, Canada expects that China will lower tariffs on Canadian canola seed to a combined rate of approximately 15%" https://www.reuters.com/world/china/canada-china-set-make-historic-gains-new-partnership-says-carney-2026-01-16/ The Carney is nothing more than a Brookfield pimp. Canada's just another stepping stone for more grift. 1 1 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 39 minutes ago, Politics1990 said: oh it is.. the guy wanted trump to win the election then pretended to be captain team canada when trump went rogue.. and whole media was praising him for helping lead canada .. made me sick Well, ok ... but you're falling into the trap of thinking politicians have a solid principle that they're following, rather than looking at the day's polling. 1 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
herbie Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 Ford is thinking two things - stand up for Cdn auto workers - kars is kars.... Seeing as how we don't build EVs here that cost sub $40K and the Big 3 are running away from that market as fast as they can.... what does it matter? Japan and Korea have the hybrid market, Stellantis is running away from that now too. BYD has got to build a reputation before it ever will hit that quota and that will take years. Building here would help them and us over time. So now you have more choice. WTF you complaining about. We should also offer EU built cars the same deal. No onw's making you buy one, many of you would never buy an EV, none of 'your' tax money is going to incentives and no one's job is threatened by cars we WON'T BUILD. What's the problem? Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 13 minutes ago, Legato said: The Carney is nothing more than a Brookfield pimp. Canada's just another stepping stone for more grift. Get over yourself HA HA HA 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
herbie Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 13 minutes ago, Legato said: The Carney is nothing more than a Brookfield pimp. Canada's just another stepping stone for more grift. How's about some intelligent discussion ON THE SUBJECT ??? 1 Quote
Legato Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 Just now, herbie said: How's about some intelligent discussion ON THE SUBJECT ??? My apologies for writing something over your head. 2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Get over yourself HA HA HA I did, your turn. Quote
Goddess Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 44 minutes ago, CdnFox said: So we agreed to allow china to dump a whole bunch of cheap TVs onto Canadian markets and we didn't actually get much in return. There's some kind of agreement involving pet food. Don't forget about that! We're gonna be soooooooo rich! 11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Well, ok ... but you're falling into the trap of thinking politicians have a solid principle that they're following, rather than looking at the day's polling. I think they check their stock portfolios before the day's polling. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
ExFlyer Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 (edited) 7 minutes ago, herbie said: Ford is thinking two things - stand up for Cdn auto workers - kars is kars.... Seeing as how we don't build EVs here that cost sub $40K and the Big 3 are running away from that market as fast as they can.... what does it matter? Japan and Korea have the hybrid market, Stellantis is running away from that now too. BYD has got to build a reputation before it ever will hit that quota and that will take years. Building here would help them and us over time. So now you have more choice. WTF you complaining about. We should also offer EU built cars the same deal. No onw's making you buy one, many of you would never buy an EV, none of 'your' tax money is going to incentives and no one's job is threatened by cars we WON'T BUILD. What's the problem? BYD has to build and develop an entire infrastructure...dealerships, repair facilities, training techs and sales as well as a supply and logistics chain. It ain't gonna happen overnight and will take years. Besides...EV's are not exactly sales leaders anywhere Don't panic folks.. it ain't the end of the automotive world LOL The EU is not affected. "Canada generally does not place extra tariffs on EU cars; in fact, the Canada-EU Trade Agreement (CETA) significantly reduces or eliminates tariffs, though some phase-outs for vehicles occurred over time, meaning most EU-made cars now enter Canada with little to no extra duties beyond standard customs," Edited January 16 by ExFlyer 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
herbie Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 5 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: BYD has to build and develop an entire infrastructure...dealerships, repair facilities, training techs and sales as well as a supply and logistics chain. It ain't gonna happen overnight and will take years. Should they ever want to.... and it appears there's options like Brampton, Brightdrop, a deal with Magna that could shorten things 9 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Canada generally does not place extra tariffs on EU cars It's the EU safety standards, not tariffs. The EU also makes affordable EVs but that and the small chunk of a small market prevents us from seeing them. Priced out a Mercedes, BMW, Volvo EV? Akkk! Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, herbie said: Should they ever want to.... and it appears there's options like Brampton, Brightdrop, a deal with Magna that could shorten things It's the EU safety standards, not tariffs. The EU also makes affordable EVs but that and the small chunk of a small market prevents us from seeing them. Priced out a Mercedes, BMW, Volvo EV? Akkk! Not sure what you are saying. I responded to your comment "We should also offer EU built cars the same deal." and showed we do not tariff EU cars. EV or other. In my opinion and by sales stats, EV's are not really selling and manufacturers are cutting back, if not shutting down (Brighdrop). 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
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