Army Guy Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 On 1/17/2026 at 10:39 AM, Barquentine said: Give me a break! All you guys have been doing is whining: "Carney can't get any deals" "Where's the results?" And now that he's got a deal that will help most provinces, you're still whining. Agriculture - how many provinces does that help? Seafood - how many provinces does that help? More transport of goods- railway and port business - how many provinces does that help? WTF is wrong with you? If Peepee had made this deal, you'd be creamin' your jeans! PP did not make this deal, and just a short time ago China had even more tariffs on Canada, along with held hostage 2 Canadian citizens, executed Canadian citizens for dealing with drug....this deal is like we were to lazy to sell our canola to other nations...nations that are friendly Not the number one threat to our Nation....India, Vietnam, the list goes on and on...The last round of Chinese tariffs we had we also talked about diversifying our trade with China, and here we are getting ready to do even more...We don't need anything from China we should be looking to diversifying all of that.... IN case you forgot, just recently your man said China is Canada's number one threat .....let that sink in...not number 2 or number 100 , but rather number one....last time this happened we were screaming about China's human rights record, let alone they are happy to sell gangsters fentanyl precursors to poison our people.......were are those values now...ya i get it, we sold them for a few dollars, and some cheap Chinese sh!t....who is next on the list Russia is screaming for new trade partners....man we could make a few dollars there....and their cars much better than Chinese stuff... PP would not have made this deal, conservatives don't do deal with our number one threats to the nation....why make them stronger and us weaker...I get it you love money more than values, or national pride... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 22 minutes ago, Army Guy said: EV sales are dropping... You don't think winning the war against climate change concern / action might have anything to do with that? 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Army Guy Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: There was far more than canola in the agreement with china. In 2024, the entire agriculture and agri-food system employed approximately 2.3 million people, providing 1 in 9 jobs. In contrast, the Canadian automotive industry directly employed about 125,000–130,000 people, with a total, including supply chain and aftermarket services, of around 462,000 to 603,500 jobs. Breakdown of Key Sectors: Agri-Food & Aquaculture (Canada): Spans primary farming, food processing, transport, and retail, with 2.3 million jobs in 2023–2024. Automotive (Canada): Direct manufacturing employs roughly 125,000–176,900 people. Aquaculture (Global): Provides a massive, growing workforce that topped 22 million people by 2022. While the auto sector is a major economic driver, the food-related sectors employ a vastly larger segment of the workforce due to the foundational nature of food production and processing. There was a lot more to the agreement than just Canol. In January 2026, Canada and China. reached a preliminary agreement-in-principle aimed at resetting their economic relationship and reducing trade barriers. Announced by Prime Minister Mark Carney following his visit to Beijing, the deal centers on a trade-off between electric vehicle (EV) imports and agricultural exports. Key Terms of the 2026 Agreement Electric Vehicles (EVs): Canada will allow up to 49,000 Chinese-made EVs to enter the country annually at a reduced tariff of 6.1% (reversing the 100% tariff implemented in 2024). By 2030, the agreement mandates that 50% of these imports must be "affordable EVs" priced under $35,000. Agriculture: In exchange, China agreed to lower or eliminate retaliatory tariffs on several key Canadian products starting March 1, 2026: Canola Seed: Tariffs will drop from roughly 84% to approximately 15%. Canola Meal, Peas, Lobster, and Crab: Anti-discrimination tariffs will be removed until at least the end of 2026. Steel and Aluminum: Canada will extend its tariff-remission program for certain Chinese steel and aluminum products through the end of 2026 to ensure domestic supply. Travel and Cooperation: China committed to introducing visa-free access for Canadians traveling to China. Both nations also signed memorandums of understanding (MOUs) to cooperate on energy, narcotics trafficking, and food safety. Context and Strategic Shift This agreement marks a significant departure from previous policies. In 2024, Canada had aligned with the U.S. to impose 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to protect domestic industry. Prime Minister Carney described the new deal as "value-based realism," emphasizing the need to diversify trade partners as global tensions fluctuate. Reception Support: Agricultural producers, particularly in Saskatchewan and Manitoba, welcomed the deal as a critical restoration of market access valued at billions of dollars. Criticism: Ontario Premier Doug Ford and labor unions (such as Unifor) criticized the move, arguing it jeopardizes the Canadian auto sector and rewards "subsidized" Chinese competition. International Reaction: While U.S. President Donald Trump expressed initial support for the deal as a "good thing," other U.S. officials warned it might complicate the upcoming 2026 CUSMA (Canada-United States-Mexico Agreement) review. " You can keep repeating it all you like, not all those farmers deal in Canola...I gave a source that states 40,000 farmers grow Canola....Your Numbers include everyone that grows anything, and everything....your playing with the states to make a point , and i'm calling you out on it STOP being dishonest.... Your 49,000 Chinese EV represent 3 % of the total car market....in an industry already being destroyed by US tariffs, and the movement to have production shifted back to the states....so YA what a great idea to crave 3 % more our of a dying industry....And lets just call it a stupid idea... EV industry is declining it once held more than 13 % of all car sales, now it barely holds 8 %, and none of our EV manufactures can compete with cheap Chinese EV....that part of the industry NEEDS more competition to bring those numbers down even further....SO how does this deal benefit Canada at all ? It would have been cheaper to find new markets for our Canola, and sea food...I mean we made it nicely without China these last years the liberals screw those relations up....we wasted those years by not finding new buyers for our products....instead we sold our soles and values to partner with one of our enemies...Good JOB... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
blackbird Posted January 22 Author Report Posted January 22 29 minutes ago, Army Guy said: How so, According to Carney we have the best deal of all the western nations.....how is Trump shafting US, and what policies has trump made that are benefiting Canada.. TARIFFS. Trump is really hitting Canada in the auto sector, aluminum, steel, forestry lumber. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, eyeball said: You don't think winning the war against climate change concern / action might have anything to do with that? I've been saying this for years, It had nothing to do with climate change....it had everything to do with making money, interest in climate change is waning because no one is make huge dollars...With the US out of the picture and drill baby drill now the theme song for climate change lobbyists where do you think every one is drifting off to...where ever the money is....Canada is just to stupid to get on board...Why does net zero boy, have so much stock in oil and gas....why does Brookfield so heavily invested in oil and gas....follow the money or better yet where the rich are investing into.... Hey i fell for climate change as well, and it has cost me big dollars, i live in a province that charges me to store my excess electricity i produce from my solar, which they sell to someone else....in a scheme designed to save me some dollars while they make money from me purchasing solar and then more money on the excess energy i produce....and then the final straw, if you don't use your built up credits by certain date you lose them....meaning they just take that and sell it to someone else for full price... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 5 minutes ago, blackbird said: TARIFFS. Trump is really hitting Canada in the auto sector, aluminum, steel, forestry lumber. And yet Carney touts Canada has the best deal of any western nation, everyone else has much higher tariffs....you do know Canada also has tariffs on the US and many other nations....i mean if we truly wanted free trade why not zero tariffs on both sides, do we really need this dairy cartel...maple syrup cartel, most of them are generated to benefit Quebec, and some of Ontario...Why not let the consumer chose what products it wants to purchase....I use to drive 45 mins to shop in the states for food items, i buy in bulk and it would save me more than just my gas money there and back...and food is not getting any cheaper here in Canada....and our dollar just sucks....so it is no longer worth the trip... What about all the things trump has done that are good ? you have not mentioned any of those.. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, Army Guy said: I've been saying this for years Me too more or less. I never had much faith we'd do the right thing in the end. 5 minutes ago, Army Guy said: ....and then the final straw, if you don't use your built up credits by certain date you lose them....meaning they just take that and sell it to someone else for full price... The final straw? Don't you mean the upside...the rich get richer? 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
ExFlyer Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Army Guy said: You can keep repeating it all you like, not all those farmers deal in Canola...... N ever once said they all grow canola. I said, and will repeat, agriculture and aquaculture. In Canada, the auto sector is self imploding with the American auto makers closing plants down and reducing shifts regardless how much money we give them to stay open. My quotes are from AI, I did not make them up but it is OK is for you keep thinking the way you do ...even if you don't get. it Edited January 22 by ExFlyer 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 1 hour ago, eyeball said: You don't think winning the war against climate change concern / action might have anything to do with that? The fact that people realize the war was a false war to begin with is what has caused that. Combined with the fact that EVS are not suitable for most people. The tech just isn't there. Someday but not today. So the market is a little saturated and most people still want an ice vehicle. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
blackbird Posted January 23 Author Report Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: And yet Carney touts Canada has the best deal of any western nation, everyone else has much higher tariffs....you do know Canada also has tariffs on the US and many other nations....i mean if we truly wanted free trade why not zero tariffs on both sides, do we really need this dairy cartel...maple syrup cartel, most of them are generated to benefit Quebec, and some of Ontario...Why not let the consumer chose what products it wants to purchase....I use to drive 45 mins to shop in the states for food items, i buy in bulk and it would save me more than just my gas money there and back...and food is not getting any cheaper here in Canada....and our dollar just sucks....so it is no longer worth the trip... What about all the things trump has done that are good ? you have not mentioned any of those.. Canada put 25% tariffs on a lot of things in response to Trump's tariffs. If you want zero tariffs, you will have to convince Trump who thinks tariffs are great. Canada cannot allow no control over the dairy industry because American dairy products would put Canadian dairy farmers out of business. They have a huge supply at a low price. That would not be right. So there is a quota system. I don't think they meet the quota anyway so there is nothing to talk about. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: N ever once said they all grow canola. Then why mention them at all? You did suggest they would all the impacted, and that was a lie. And you require a lie because the truth does not serve your purposes It would be like mentioning all people in manufacturing in Canada rather than just the automotive industry Pretending that this isn't a big deal it's just silly. The automotive sector is critical to Canada. Dismissing it as some sort of small or insignificant thing is childish 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
herbie Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 Oh Jeez EV sales dropped in 2025 because there were no more incentives, the prices went up, the Bolt that sold in numbers was no longer in production and the Teslas were built in China and their price went up and supply down from the year before. The people who'd pay premiums for full size EV pickups already did the market for those was saturated and the Big3 ended production. They won't make small city EV cars because the profit level is too small for their liking. For the near future ALL of those Chinese cars are going to be Teslas with maybe the odd Hyundai and Kia. BYD abd Geely have no distributing network. When they do, we still won't be making EVs in Canada. So lets recognize EU safety standards and let them enter then auto market too. Toyota and Honda make most of the cars in Canada and they're not screaming as loud. The sales numbers are in hybrids and ICE and those are only threatened by Trump's policies. 1 Quote
blackbird Posted January 23 Author Report Posted January 23 5 hours ago, Army Guy said: .SO how does this deal benefit Canada at all ? Simple. It was the only way Carney could get China to drop the huge tariff of 100% on canola and some other things. You always have to give something to get something in a trade deal. 49,000 EVs is insignificant. It was good deal for Canada. 1 Quote
Legato Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 Just now, blackbird said: Simple. It was the only way Carney could get China to drop the huge tariff of 100% on canola and some other things. You always have to give something to get something in a trade deal. 49,000 EVs is insignificant. It was good deal for Canada. All well and good but come back when the tariffs have actually dropped. Until then leave the limbo pole in the cupboard. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 4 hours ago, ExFlyer said: N ever once said they all grow canola. I said, and will repeat, agriculture and aquaculture. In Canada, the auto sector is self imploding with the American auto makers closing plants down and reducing shifts regardless how much money we give them to stay open. My quotes are from AI, I did not make them up but it is OK is for you keep thinking the way you do ...even if you don't get. it Then why use that quote, those numbers are not relevant to the conversation are they....who cares how many farmers are in Canada the ones that are tariffed are the ones that grow Canola.. is that not what we are talking about ? ....And there are only 40,000 farmers that grow canola.... So what are you saying here the auto motive industry is failing lets kick them in the nuts sacrifice them for other industries....here is a thought, screw China and get other buyers for canola and sea food...keep that 3 % of our Auto sector intact..... So what are you saying AI, trumps all other sources....It is the quote you picked, own it....I get it very well , we should not being doing "any" business with China, They have screwed with us in the past, on top of took hostage two Canadians and executed Canadians for drug offenses, their human rights record is abysmal, along with Qatar's but who's counting we are in it for the money right.... is that what your implying...what's next are we going to start trading with Russia, Iran....that's where this is headed right....we don't care who we trade with now because the US is not a reliable trading partner...and yet the left was screaming about Israel moral values and screamed to have all trade be stopped immediately...but some how China is OK now.... below the source says the auto sector contributes more to GDP than Canola does....and your wonder why Ontario Premier is barking....and your implying it is OK to cut that by 3 % it does not make any sense....money wise... https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/report-challenges-canolas-43-billion-100048737.html 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 4 minutes ago, blackbird said: Simple. It was the only way Carney could get China to drop the huge tariff of 100% on canola and some other things. You always have to give something to get something in a trade deal. 49,000 EVs is insignificant. It was good deal for Canada. It was not the only way, a much better way was to find another buyer or buyers for our canola....one that has been reliable in the past.....49,000 vehicles represents 3 % of our current auto motive industry...which is already reeling explain to me how that's a good idea... when our automotive industry contributes more to our GDP than canola does....China is not the only buyer on this planet... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
blackbird Posted January 23 Author Report Posted January 23 6 minutes ago, Legato said: All well and good but come back when the tariffs have actually dropped. Until then leave the limbo pole in the cupboard. quote Canola industry welcomes significant progress on Chinese tariffs CCC & CCGA release January 16, 2026 – The Canola Council of Canada (CCC) and Canadian Canola Growers Association (CCGA) welcome the announcement made today in Beijing to provide significant tariff relief for Canadian canola seed and meal. Under the agreement reached between Canada and China, tariffs on Canadian canola seed imports are expected to be reduced to 15% as of March 1, 2026, and the current 100% tariffs on canola meal are expected to be removed as of March 1, 2026, until at least the end of the calendar year. unquote Canola industry welcomes significant progress on Chinese tariffs | Canola Council of Canada 1 Quote
blackbird Posted January 23 Author Report Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: It was not the only way, a much better way was to find another buyer or buyers for our canola....one that has been reliable in the past.....49,000 vehicles represents 3 % of our current auto motive industry...which is already reeling explain to me how that's a good idea... when our automotive industry contributes more to our GDP than canola does....China is not the only buyer on this planet... Obviously it takes time to find buyers for canola or anything. If buyers could have been found, it would have already been done, but it wasn't. No, 3% is very little, insignificant. quote For the average of the three years, 2020/21-2022/23: The total economic impact on the Canadian economy from the canola sector averaged C$43.7 billion per year. 206,000 full time equivalent jobs are supported by the canola sector, comprising almost 142,000 paid jobs and an additional 65,000 family members (beyond the growers themselves) who support and are supported by canola farming operations. The total wage impact of the sector averaged C$16.3 billion. unquote Canola’s economic impact: growing opportunity for all Canadians 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 3 hours ago, blackbird said: Canada put 25% tariffs on a lot of things in response to Trump's tariffs. If you want zero tariffs, you will have to convince Trump who thinks tariffs are great. Canada cannot allow no control over the dairy industry because American dairy products would put Canadian dairy farmers out of business. They have a huge supply at a low price. That would not be right. So there is a quota system. I don't think they meet the quota anyway so there is nothing to talk about. Canada has had tariffs on US products for decades now , it is not something new as your suggest. That's not how business is suppose to work...why is it that most other business don't work that way...and why is it consumers have to be forced to pay these guys huge profits...in order for them to stay in business.. When you start subsiding any product your giving them a reason to tariff your products to make the competition more fair...Huge supply means lower prices for consumers , how is that a bad thing...these dairy cartels are making huge profits....when food is already price way to high...and the Canadians consumer is paying for all that...What does the Canadian consumer owe these dairy farmers ?....Sweet FA 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 6 minutes ago, blackbird said: Obviously it takes time to find buyers for canola or anything. If buyers could have been found, it would have already been done, but it wasn't. No, 3% is very little, insignificant. quote For the average of the three years, 2020/21-2022/23: The total economic impact on the Canadian economy from the canola sector averaged C$43.7 billion per year. 206,000 full time equivalent jobs are supported by the canola sector, comprising almost 142,000 paid jobs and an additional 65,000 family members (beyond the growers themselves) who support and are supported by canola farming operations. The total wage impact of the sector averaged C$16.3 billion. unquote Canola’s economic impact: growing opportunity for all Canadians I've already given a source that states other wise and your numbers are inflated...Not to mention China has screwed us in the past....and is our nations number one threat, does that not count for anything....and if not why are we not dealing with the US....if we have no values when dealing with China....why are we so upset about the US... 3 % is a lot when your talking about a 16.8 bil dollar industry... https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/report-challenges-canolas-43-billion-100048737.html Quote His report valued Canadian auto exports at $74 billion and the sector’s direct contribution to GDP at around $19 billion. In comparison, he valued canola exports at approximately $12 billion and the sector’s direct contribution to GDP is $5 billion. https://ised-isde.canada.ca/site/canadian-automotive-industry/en About the industry What's new Made in Canada The future of Canadian vehicles Canada's automotive industry plays a key role in the economy. With a $16.8 billion contribution to GDP in 2024, it is one of Canada's largest manufacturing sectors. In 2024, the industry directly employed more than 125,000 people and indirectly supported approximately 427,000 jobs, including through aftermarket services and dealership networks. 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Legato Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 27 minutes ago, blackbird said: quote Canola industry welcomes significant progress on Chinese tariffs CCC & CCGA release January 16, 2026 – The Canola Council of Canada (CCC) and Canadian Canola Growers Association (CCGA) welcome the announcement made today in Beijing to provide significant tariff relief for Canadian canola seed and meal. Under the agreement reached between Canada and China, tariffs on Canadian canola seed imports are expected to be reduced to 15% as of March 1, 2026, and the current 100% tariffs on canola meal are expected to be removed as of March 1, 2026, until at least the end of the calendar year. unquote Canola industry welcomes significant progress on Chinese tariffs | Canola Council of Canada Do you see "Canadian canola seed imports are expected to be reduced" Quote
blackbird Posted January 23 Author Report Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Legato said: Do you see "Canadian canola seed imports are expected to be reduced" We will see. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 47 minutes ago, blackbird said: We will see. The problem is we won't see till later if they stay down even if they go down now. Now that they've seen that we will drool when they ring the bell what happens the next time they want something? This isn't actually a deal in writing where they promise to keep the tariffs down. We can raise them back up the next day 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 (edited) On 1/16/2026 at 10:19 PM, CdnFox said: But he didn't get a deal that was particularly good for farmers. He didn't even get a guarantee as to how much the tariffs would be rolled back, he's expecting or hoping that they'll still be a 15% Tariff What he supposed to do is get a good deal for everybody, not screw over one part of the economy and drive it in the ground to help another part of the economy, because that really doesn't help us in the long run. Especially seeing as the deal won't even last past 2026 They actually are as important as the PM. I hate to break it to you but the constitution does not put the federal government above the provincial governments it puts them on equal footing. Ffs I know, that whole democracy thing is just so inconvenient . Then why did we put restrictions in the first place? Here's the deal. We have a massive car industry in Canada that employs a crap ton of people in our largest province. It also supplies a significant portion of our government revenue. All those services and jobs you left these love, the auto industry pays for a lot of that So a deal that hurts our auto industry without getting us something in return that increases our abilities equally is very bad for Canada. We have a deal now that will severely impact negatively the automotive industry, and we really got nothing for it. There's still tariffs on our agricultural products, there's absolutely no guarantee that they won't raise them again the next week, it hasn't opened up a new market we were already selling this stuff to the chinese and the benefit to us does not come out greater than the disadvantage financially. So if this is the deal we got screwed. China gets to keep tariff money, and now has the right to sell us cars and their industries make money that they weren't making before. Meanwhile we'll sell slightly less than we used to and we get nothing for that privilege and meanwhile our automotive industry is going to take a hit This isn't a good deal for us Do you intend to protect our car industry completely and indefinitely from Chinese competition? That rather Marxist proposal doesn’t sound like a good deal for consumers. I know China’s industrial policies are a problem but shutting their product out completely doesn’t sound prudent. We need to compete with them in EV technology. It is coming to the world whether we want to deny that fact or not. Let’s not be Luddites here. Edited January 23 by SpankyMcFarland 1 Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 A lot of people here need to see America as it is now under the current wretched leader and his ilk - in relative decline and no longer as close a friend as it was to us. Also we are not Americans despite our proximity. Some of you will deny those facts till your last breath but you won’t change them. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
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