ICE Finally Fires Back!

[TreeBeard]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

We can have both...and should have both.   Police kill about 1,000 Americans each year...including moms.

Obama was way more effective at deportations and neighbourhoods weren’t terrorized and moms weren’t shot.  You clearly don’t “need both”.  😂 

 

“You know what the border patrol needs to do to make it better?  Shoot moms in Minnesota while deporting less people”.  
 

MAGA:  *standing ovation* 

[John Stone]

31 minutes ago, User said:

We are talking about ICE enforcing federal laws against Illegal Immigrants. How is some white woman trying to interfere in this being trodden on by anyone and how does that make anyone a political hack for wanting to enforce these laws?

Is this what you believe is happening?

I look at it not from the perspective of right or wrong but winning strategy, winning the midterms  - the political optics? 

In politics I think you need hacks that can be convincing with spin -  not sure the Right has that  now - esp on this issue. 

A 24/7 news cycle is a huge advantage when a pivot is demanded - Trump is an absolute master at this. 

Curious to see what legs this has - seems to be going National. 

I do believe the shooter had poor discipline - a political disaster. 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, John Stone said:

I do believe the shooter had poor discipline - a political disaster. 

What are you basing that on? It was three shots which is pretty standard, he didn't do a magnum, he was threatened and he was hit, and the last time he was in that situation he got dragged for like 30 yards or something and required massive stitches and hospitalization.

What specifically is making you feel that he had poor discipline? It seems like an appropriate response to me but I'm always willing to listen to another opinion

[Goddess]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So this guy knows that the wife is outside of the vehicle and this woman is driving her car, it's pretty obvious she's not planning on just driving away and leaving her spouse there.

In all the videos you can hear the car engine revving as she accelerates towards the officer.

You can see the street is icy, I think it would have been worse if she had better traction.

 

[bush_cheney2004]

Yesterday, my son and I went into Minneapolis to attend the 2026 Auto Show.  Lots of new cars and SUVs, classic TV and movie vehicles (e.g. Batmobile), beaucoup pickup trucks, etc.   There was even a Jeep 4X4 driving track with a 30 foot hill.   Drove right past Portland Ave though south Minneapolis where the shooting occurred.

There were no protesters at the venue...quiet as could be.   Hardly a "George Floyd" vibe as in 2020.   No burning buildings...no blocked highways...no nothing.   The protesters at the federal building blocks away were more interested in fighting MAGA counter protesters.

Last night there were street protests downtown, but the police and state patrol learned their lesson from 2020 and clamped down hard.   This Democrat controlled city didn't want to burn down (again).

Edited January 10 by bush_cheney2004

[bush_cheney2004]

11 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Obama was way more effective at deportations and neighbourhoods weren’t terrorized and moms weren’t shot.  You clearly don’t “need both”.  😂 

 

Don't need 31 flavours of ice cream either...but we still have them.

Why ?   Because we can.

[John Stone]

50 minutes ago, robosmith said:

He is in violation of the Constitution and it's requirements to wait for Congressional approval.

The only reason he's not impeached is the FAILURE of Congressional RepubliCONS.

Enjoying your FAILURE to prove anyone is listening to YOU, dropout.

Political Right hope that the Left runs on a platform of impeaching the President. 

It would make a  mockery of their, 'affordability' concern priority? 

yada, yada, yada, yada 

Trump is the type of guy that fits the description, 'u can't shame a person that won't be shamed'. 

Impeachment  - meh! 

Who cares ....... but it would just be more useful distraction - diversion from meaningful legislation. 

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Lie. You need to get your eyes checked out.

 

Sorry but you're the liar here kid and the latest video 100% proves I'm right. This is an uncontestable fact. He was standing to one side, she backed up and aligned her car with him, drove forward and struck him. That is the truth

5 hours ago, Barquentine said:

You need to get your eyes checked out.

Maybe if you repeat that to people two or 300 more times it'll somehow magically be true 🙄🙄🙄

He was standing to the right of her car. She backed up and aligned with him enough that even tho he tried to move she struck him on the driver's side.  

She absolutely backed up, aligned her car with him, and drove forward and struck him. It is absolutely impossible for you to argue that she didn't when she hit him. If her car was not aligned with him he wouldn't have been hit.

[User]

11 minutes ago, John Stone said:

I look at it not from the perspective of right or wrong but winning strategy, winning the midterms  - the political optics? 

In politics I think you need hacks that can be convincing with spin -  not sure the Right has that  now - esp on this issue. 

A 24/7 news cycle is a huge advantage when a pivot is demanded - Trump is an absolute master at this. 

Curious to see what legs this has - seems to be going National. 

I do believe the shooter had poor discipline - a political disaster. 

You are being completely non-responsive to what I am actually saying or asking you. 

 

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

What specifically is making you feel that he had poor discipline? It seems like an appropriate response to me

There are a few groups advising citizens on how to impede ICE agents, including ICE WATCH MINNESOTA, the group this woman was affiliated with.

This is from their Legal Resources folder on Instagram:

While they do warn of "legal risks", it doesn't seem like they are informing people of this:

I don't see anywhere that these groups are telling people to deliberately run their vehicles into agents, but they ARE hyping them up and putting people in heat-of-the moment situations, where they are clearly on the wrong side of the law.

Here is some of their information on resisting agents:

 

 

 

[robosmith]

39 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Of course not.

But it wasn't a masked stranger.   

It was a bunch of clearly marked law enforcement officers that she had been antagonizing the entire morning.

Or they could arrest her or give her a warning on the spot.  THEY get to choose.

She was told to exit the vehicle, she chose instead to disobey, speed up and drive away, while her lover cheered her on to "Drive!  Drive!"

Of course Canucks don't know that it is ILLEGAL to shoot someone per SCOTUS for merely fleeing the scene, esp when they are UNARMED.

36 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Good...most asylum claims are denied.

Thanks for demonstrating you were LYING with your previous claim.

[West]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

Of course Canucks don't know that it is ILLEGAL to shoot someone per SCOTUS for merely fleeing the scene, esp when they are UNARMED.

They used a motor vehicle to try and kill the cop. Duh

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Thanks for demonstrating you were LYING with your previous claim.

 

Nope....try again.   Deport them all...according to the law.

But hey, you can still cry for them.

[Goddess]

It seems they had already given her a fair amount of leeway - she had been blocking them with her vehicle all morning, blaring the horn.

 

 

She was not there to just drop her kid off at school and go home, that claim is debunked.

She knew these were not "masked strangers" as robo claims.  She had been around these agents all morning.

She had likely been asked to move repeatedly.  Maybe now they were going to arrest her or give her a warning, as they ordered her to get out of the vehicle.

She refused.

As someone said, she didn't plan on getting shot that morning.

But she placed herself in a highly volatile situation, putting herself in a leading position of rebellion against authority.  I do think she really thought she could disobey their orders, clip an agent with her vehicle and speed away without anything happening to her.

Not very smart.

Edited January 10 by Goddess

[bush_cheney2004]

9 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I don't see anywhere that these groups are telling people to deliberately run their vehicles into agents, but they ARE hyping them up and putting people in heat-of-the moment situations, where they are clearly on the wrong side of the law.

 

Several "Constitutional Observer" groups specifically warn members not to impede or obstruct ICE operations, and to obey lawful orders.   The safest place to fight law enforcement is in the courts, not on the street.

[John Stone]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

What are you basing that on? It was three shots which is pretty standard, he didn't do a magnum, he was threatened and he was hit, and the last time he was in that situation he got dragged for like 30 yards or something and required massive stitches and hospitalization.

What specifically is making you feel that he had poor discipline? It seems like an appropriate response to me but I'm always willing to listen to another opinion

Based on what I saw the agent can be seen holding up a phone in his left hand as he walked around the front of Good's SUV in the moments before the shooting?

Putting training,  right or wrong aside for a moment - 

No-one in  their right mind  stands in front of a running vehicle with the intention of preventing it moving off the spot - unless the shooter had pre-planned his reaction, judged the shoot, weighed the odds.  

Unprofessional in the extreme. 

All this is speculation of course - but he is so far away from SOP that anyone with any degree of training can't fail to critique the shooters actions. Def NOT to be used in any training flic. 

Lack of discipline is also demonstrated in the manner he revealed his features while walking away.  

[eyeball]

30 minutes ago, Goddess said:

If Americans don't like the laws about illegal immigrants, they should change them.  Even the Democrats did not do that the entire time they were in power.

It all boils down to this, IMO - If she had stopped her car and gotten out of the vehicle when she was ordered to, would she still have been shot?

I doubt it.

How this boils down to me is that both Jonathan Ross and Renee Good crossed paths on a political minefield. I don't know how Ross is dealing with this now but the weight and glare of public opinions and spotlights on him will surely have a toll. I won't be surprised if he lives to regret his actions. Especially when the sheer senselessness alone sinks in.  I suspect Renee Good's wife is closing in on that place as we speak.

This entire period of history will be something millions of Americans will one day wish could have unfolded a lot differently.  It's certainly not too late to facilitate that but I'm not holding my breath and I think there's a ways to go yet before hitting rock bottom.

[Goddess]

Oversight Project Clears ICE Officer in Minneapolis - Oversight Project 

 

This determination has been made from the perspective of the officer at the moment force is used, not from hindsight or a third party viewpoint. Evidence clearly shows that the activist drove her car into the ICE officer prior to the discharge of the officer’s firearm. A vehicle used in this manner constitutes a deadly weapon. 

Federal policy states that firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless the vehicle is operating in a manner that threatens the officer’s life, which is the case in this instance. These standards are reinforced by the Supreme Court precedent under Graham v. Connor. Video evidence reveals that moving out of the path of the moving vehicle was not possible. Where deadly force is necessary, officers are trained to shoot to eliminate the threat. 

The press memorandum is in the article, if you want to read it.

[bush_cheney2004]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

This entire period of history will be something millions of Americans will one day wish could have unfolded a lot differently.  It's certainly not too late to facilitate that but I'm not holding my breath and I think there's a ways to go yet before hitting rock bottom.

 

Some will feel that way, but not most.   Vast majority of Americans did not object to 120,000 Japanese-Americans and legal immigrants being interned by FDR, and the Supreme Court upheld their incarceration.  Decades later, Congress and Reagan paid reparations to families.

Good plan:  Not holding your breath.

[robosmith]

17 minutes ago, West said:

They used a motor vehicle to try and kill the cop. Duh

Just cause Trump tells you ^this doesn't make it true, LIAR.

IF she was trying to kill Ross, she would not have turned the wheels to GO RIGHT. Duh

And it was really stupid to kill her if he meant to stop her from hitting him IF she was heading for him, which she WAS NOT.

[eyeball]

38 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

How many million times have you been told that if you swing the pendulum too far one way when it swings back you're going to regret it.

About as many times as I've pointed out the times we're in are symptomatic of a pendulum that's been swinging back and forth like a wrecking ball for decades now.

41 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Aren't you the one that keeps screaming that the right should be "Doing something" about the left if we're serious? Welcome to something

I've also said many times we haven't seen anything yet. And I still don't see ordinary lefties and righties battling it out on the streets. Everything is still pretty much at the proxy stage.  Siccing governments on one another every 4 years or so won't cut it.  Wait until its more akin to a racial or genocidal conflict. Then you'll know we've arrived. At other times and places in history such moments are often viewed as glorious or epic.

[West]

8 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Just cause Trump tells you ^this doesn't make it true, LIAR.

IF she was trying to kill Ross, she would not have turned the wheels to GO RIGHT. Duh

And it was really stupid to kill her if he meant to stop her from hitting him IF she was heading for him, which she WAS NOT.

What other possible reason would you have for PINNING IT WHEN THERE IS SOMEONE STANDING IN FRONT OF YOUR VEHICLE? 

DUH

[Legato]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

Obama deported more people than Trump without needing to resort to terrorizing neighbourhoods, brownshirts marching through the streets or shooting moms.  
 

How?  

Because the lefty nuts then supported Obama's actions and co-operated.

Now those same nutbars hinder as much as possible. 

You know that so why the inflammatory rhetoric?

[eyeball]

20 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Some will feel that way, but not most...

...Good plan:  Not holding your breath.

Most will still be as oblivious, I'm certainly not holding my breath that will change.

21 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Vast majority of Americans did not object to 120,000 Japanese-Americans and legal immigrants being interned by FDR, and the Supreme Court upheld their incarceration.  Decades later, Congress and Reagan paid reparations to families.

I'm rather proud of the fact I live in the only municipality in Canada that officially objected the internment of Japanese-Canadians.  Decades later Japanese families who returned to start from scratch remain as an inspiration to determination and stoicism.   

[robosmith]

29 minutes ago, West said:

What other possible reason would you have for PINNING IT WHEN THERE IS SOMEONE STANDING IN FRONT OF YOUR VEHICLE? 

DUH

Thanks for admitting that Ross was violating department rules that prohibit standing in front of a suspect's vehicle. 👍

Quote

Departmental rules and law enforcement training policies generally prohibit or strictly warn against standing directly in front of a suspect's vehicle to avoid "officer-created jeopardy"—a situation where an officer places themselves in harm's way, creating an avoidable threat that then requires the use of deadly force. 

Key Aspects of Policies Prohibiting Standing in Front of Vehicles:

• Tactical Positioning Prohibitions: Many agencies, following International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) models, explicitly instruct officers to avoid standing in front of, behind, or between vehicles during traffic stops.
• "Move Out of the Path" Rule: Department of Justice (DOJ) guidelines and similar policies dictate that officers should not shoot at a vehicle if they can protect themselves by simply moving out of its path.
• Avoidance of "Officer-Created Jeopardy": Federal courts have held that officers cannot justify shooting a driver if the officer created the danger by stepping in front of the vehicle.
• Prohibition on Using Body as a Barrier: Officers are trained to not use their bodies to block a vehicle, as this turns the officer into a "stop stick" and places them in unnecessary danger.
• Exceptions and Real-World Application: While generally discouraged, these rules sometimes lack strict enforcement in certain agencies (e.g., specific criticisms of ICE policy not explicitly requiring officers to move)

What evidence do you have for "pinning it"?

IF you mean FLOORING IT,  she was trying to get away from a masked stranger trying to drag her out of her vehicle and likely detaining her, like they have many US citizens. 🤮

Edited January 10 by robosmith