CdnFox Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 5 hours ago, robosmith said: CONS always OPPOSE change, like the racists who opposed ABOLITION. Uhhh,.... it was actually the left wing democrats of the day who opposed abolition. The conservative republicans were strongly opposed. 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ironstone Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 10 hours ago, Hodad said: Make yourself a venn diagram of values. See how that goes. Let's see, one circle is 'Islam' and the other is 'the Left'. The overlap could read 'hatred of Israel', and 'use of violence as a means to an end' 1 Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
Hodad Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 (edited) 3 hours ago, ironstone said: Let's see, one circle is 'Islam' and the other is 'the Left'. The overlap could read 'hatred of Israel', and 'use of violence as a means to an end' Poor effort. "The left" doesn't "hate Israel," because that doesn't mean anything. But a big chunk of them strenuously disagree with and denounce the policies and actions of the current administration--both long term relationship with the Palestinians and more acutely, the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocents. And on the other, that's not a value. And also a very small circle relative to the violence from the right. Again, you can try to identify some aligned values, but you won't have much luck. The two groups simply don't believe in the same things. Edited January 8 by Hodad 2 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted January 8 Author Report Posted January 8 9 minutes ago, Hodad said: Poor effort. "The left" doesn't "hate Israel," because that doesn't mean anything. But a big chunk of them strenuously disagree with and denounce the policies and actions of the current administration--both long term relationship with the Palestinians and more acutely, the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocents. And on the other, that's not a value. And also a very small circle relative to the violence from the right. Again, you can try to identify some aligned values, but you won't have much luck. The two groups simply don't believe in the same things. Bullshit. The left hates Israel. https://www.adl.org/resources/report/antisemitism-and-radical-anti-israel-bias-political-left-europe https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2024-02-03/ty-article-opinion/.highlight/how-the-left-became-a-politics-of-hatred-against-jews/0000018d-6562-d7f7-adcf-6def4fe50000 https://www.dailywire.com/news/why-does-the-left-hate-israel 1 Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
Hodad Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 47 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: Bullshit. The left hates Israel. https://www.adl.org/resources/report/antisemitism-and-radical-anti-israel-bias-political-left-europe https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2024-02-03/ty-article-opinion/.highlight/how-the-left-became-a-politics-of-hatred-against-jews/0000018d-6562-d7f7-adcf-6def4fe50000 https://www.dailywire.com/news/why-does-the-left-hate-israel 🙄What does it mean to "hate Israel"? I know it's part of the MAGA initiation ritual to lobotomize away the part of the brain that once processed nuance, but try to think back. What do you actually mean when you say that? Do you mean that "the left" hates a designation on a political map? Do you mean that "the left" hates Jewish people? Do you mean that "the left" disagrees hates the way the Palestinians have been treated by Israel? What is it that you're actually trying to argue? 1 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted January 8 Author Report Posted January 8 2 minutes ago, Hodad said: 🙄What does it mean to "hate Israel"? I know it's part of the MAGA initiation ritual to lobotomize away the part of the brain that once processed nuance, but try to think back. What do you actually mean when you say that? Do you mean that "the left" hates a designation on a political map? Do you mean that "the left" hates Jewish people? Do you mean that "the left" disagrees hates the way the Palestinians have been treated by Israel? What is it that you're actually trying to argue? That is the hill you want to die on? The semantics of what Israel means? Hating Israel means what it says...hating Israel...the country and the people that call it their own. What a stewpid argument to be having. 1 Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
Hodad Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 15 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: That is the hill you want to die on? The semantics of what Israel means? Hating Israel means what it says...hating Israel...the country and the people that call it their own. What a stewpid argument to be having. You're having a stupid argument because you made a stupid claim. No, "the left" does not hate jewish people--including the people of Israel-- (leave that to the alt right). 2/3 of American jews are democrats. No, "the left" does not hate the geography or designation of Israel. Yes, "the left" generally--and sometimes very strongly--disagrees with the Israeli government's treatment of the Palestinians, and particularly the prosecution of this brutal war and the mass slaughter of innocents. You could say that they hate that action, but that's would be a pretty bizarre criticism. "You guys hate the mass murder of innocent people!" Doesn't have the same ring to it, does it? -- So you settle for a very dumb shorthand, accusing a largely undefined population, "the left" of hating a similarly undefined "Israel." You can't say what it really means, because there's not one iota of thought behind the accusation. 1 Quote
robosmith Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 5 hours ago, ironstone said: Let's see, one circle is 'Islam' and the other is 'the Left'. The overlap could read 'hatred of Israel', and 'use of violence as a means to an end' Do you have the least bit of understanding of history of "hatred of Israel"? Or does your knowledge begin and end with 1948 myths promoted by Israelis? Quote
ironstone Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 5 hours ago, robosmith said: Do you have the least bit of understanding of history of "hatred of Israel"? Or does your knowledge begin and end with 1948 myths promoted by Israelis? 'Palestinians' are to blame for their situation, not Israel. They are the spoiled brats of the Middle East. You will no doubt continue to sympathize and support those who routinely chant 'death to Israel, death to America, death to Canada'. 1 Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
Michael Hardner Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 6 hours ago, Hodad said: 🙄What does it mean to "hate Israel"? Why are you even trying to embark on a journey that starts with a completely vague premise as to what it means... Except that you can tell it's an insult against some stereotype? How much time do you have exactly? Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
CdnFox Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: Why are you even trying to embark on a journey that starts with a completely vague premise as to what it means... Except that you can tell it's an insult against some stereotype? How much time do you have exactly? Sure Mike, it's utterly impossible to express what it means to hate something. I mean that's just beyond possible description. Sigh. Yet another in a long series of posts where you just vaguely insulting and dismissive without actually saying anything substantive or contributing in any meaningful fashion. This is why a lot of people hold you in contempt. It's actually fairly easy to describe what it means to hate something. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
User Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 23 hours ago, Hodad said: Poor effort. "The left" doesn't "hate Israel," because that doesn't mean anything. But a big chunk of them strenuously disagree with and denounce the policies and actions of the current administration--both long term relationship with the Palestinians and more acutely, the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocents. And on the other, that's not a value. And also a very small circle relative to the violence from the right. Again, you can try to identify some aligned values, but you won't have much luck. The two groups simply don't believe in the same things. So, you think Israel slaughtered tens of thousands of innocents, but you don't hate them? ROFL 16 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Why are you even trying to embark on a journey that starts with a completely vague premise as to what it means... Except that you can tell it's an insult against some stereotype? How much time do you have exactly? He just got done saying he believes Israel slaughtered tens of thousands of innocent people... but now he wants to quibble over being accused of hating Israel? Do you guys like the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocents? I tend to hate stuff like that myself. Quote
Hodad Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 20 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Why are you even trying to embark on a journey that starts with a completely vague premise as to what it means... Except that you can tell it's an insult against some stereotype? How much time do you have exactly? Lol. Not much time, usually. I have a fairly "big" job, so I disappear for weeks sometimes. But when I dip back in I have more patience for a minute, before I am forcibly reminded that it's futile. Why do pro-choice people hate babies? Why do people who support due process in immigration hate white people? Why do people who oppose Trump hate America? The level of discourse is comically stupid. Pointless. Exhausting. I guess I just wish it wasn't. 🤷♂️ 1 1 Quote
User Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 17 minutes ago, Hodad said: The level of discourse is comically stupid. Pointless. Exhausting. I guess I just wish it wasn't. 🤷♂️ LOL, you should look at your own behavior here. 1 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted Monday at 01:37 PM Report Posted Monday at 01:37 PM Thought about this thread today... https://studyfinds.com/political-violence-justified-maga/ Over Half Of MAGA Republicans Say Political Violence Can Be Justified 1 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Nationalist Posted Monday at 02:33 PM Report Posted Monday at 02:33 PM On 1/8/2026 at 1:09 PM, Hodad said: 🙄What does it mean to "hate Israel"? I know it's part of the MAGA initiation ritual to lobotomize away the part of the brain that once processed nuance, but try to think back. What do you actually mean when you say that? Do you mean that "the left" hates a designation on a political map? Do you mean that "the left" hates Jewish people? Do you mean that "the left" disagrees hates the way the Palestinians have been treated by Israel? What is it that you're actually trying to argue? Lol...nice try at blurring the issue Tweenkie-Poo. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Hodad Posted Monday at 02:40 PM Report Posted Monday at 02:40 PM 6 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Lol...nice try at blurring the issue Tweenkie-Poo. I know you're slow, but 6 months slow is impressive, even for you. But, to be fair, you would have missed the point at that time too. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted Monday at 02:42 PM Report Posted Monday at 02:42 PM 41 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Thought about this thread today... https://studyfinds.com/political-violence-justified-maga/ Over Half Of MAGA Republicans Say Political Violence Can Be Justified Please. The survey is extremely flawed and you should be able to see that, and your headline is just a lie, Did you even read it or just post what you thought was a headline that supported you They asked not if "Political Violence was justified", they asked if violence was justified in ANY OF 20 HYPOTHETICAL SITUATIONS, including "stopping a protest' and 'violence' includes pushing and shoving. So if someone says yes, they'd prevent someone from smashing up their store in a protest, that's "political violence". It's also weighted - they took the small number of people they identified as belonging to a 'maga group' by their definition and then extrapolated that across how many "maga' people they feel are out there And they only report "Maga", and democrats. Yet 'republicans' is much lower. AND it's an online poll. Here's a more honest survey and it shows that republicans and democrats are about tied. This STILL suffers from some of the problems of the previous poll but it's much more honest: Political Violence in America: Public Perceptions, Polarization, and Accountability - PRRI This poll and others like it use a more general queston, and when it comes to supporting "political violence' generally, democrats win hands down: Is the American left really more supportive of political violence? Polling commissioned by The Economist (also conducted by YouGov) shows that 20% of liberals think political violence can be justified, compared with 7% of conservatives and moderates. Our polling shows that liberals of all ages are more likely to condone political violence than conservatives but those under 40 are especially likely to do so. Almost one in three young American liberals thinks that violence can sometimes be justified to achieve political goals (see chart 1). The results agree with polling which suggests that a substantial minority of young liberals were sympathetic to Luigi Mangione, a 27-year-old who is charged with the murder of Brian Thompson, a health-care executive The reality is that liberals and democrats are far more likely to support political violence in general. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
West Posted Monday at 02:43 PM Report Posted Monday at 02:43 PM On 1/8/2026 at 12:37 PM, Hodad said: You're having a stupid argument because you made a stupid claim. No, "the left" does not hate jewish people--including the people of Israel-- (leave that to the alt right). 2/3 of American jews are democrats. No, "the left" does not hate the geography or designation of Israel. Yes, "the left" generally--and sometimes very strongly--disagrees with the Israeli government's treatment of the Palestinians, and particularly the prosecution of this brutal war and the mass slaughter of innocents. You could say that they hate that action, but that's would be a pretty bizarre criticism. "You guys hate the mass murder of innocent people!" Doesn't have the same ring to it, does it? -- So you settle for a very dumb shorthand, accusing a largely undefined population, "the left" of hating a similarly undefined "Israel." You can't say what it really means, because there's not one iota of thought behind the accusation. The left takes their marching orders from radical Islam. They allow extremists to overrun college campuses and do harm to Jewish students. Then turn around and blame the right. Very sick 1 1 1 Quote
Legato Posted Monday at 02:51 PM Report Posted Monday at 02:51 PM 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: Thought about this thread today... https://studyfinds.com/political-violence-justified-maga/ Over Half Of MAGA Republicans Say Political Violence Can Be Justified 800 from 329 million is about 0.000229226361%. The other 99.9999977077 like Dandelion and Burdock. So totally unjustified. Quote
Nationalist Posted Monday at 02:54 PM Report Posted Monday at 02:54 PM 18 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Lol...nice try at blurring the issue Tweenkie-Poo. Lol...ahhh Tweenkie-Poo, you lyin' sucks cant ever deal with reality. You have to warp and obscure it in order to make an argument. We've seen your gutless chickenshit way to many times now. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
robosmith Posted Monday at 04:55 PM Report Posted Monday at 04:55 PM On 1/8/2026 at 4:15 PM, ironstone said: 'Palestinians' are to blame for their situation, not Israel. They are the spoiled brats of the Middle East. You will no doubt continue to sympathize and support those who routinely chant 'death to Israel, death to America, death to Canada'. And you would, too, if an ethnicity immigrated en masse to your nation and stole the land your ancestors lived on for HUNDREDS OF YEARS. Quote
robosmith Posted Monday at 04:59 PM Report Posted Monday at 04:59 PM 2 hours ago, West said: The left takes their marching orders from radical Islam. They allow extremists to overrun college campuses and do harm to Jewish students. Then turn around and blame the right. Very sick As USUAL your ^ALLEGATIONS lack EVENDENCE because you ONLY heard it on FOS LIES which has ZERO CREDIBILITY. 2 hours ago, Legato said: 800 from 329 million is about 0.000229226361%. The other 99.9999977077 like Dandelion and Burdock. So totally unjustified. ^CLOWN "justification." AKA FAKE. LMAO 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: Lol...ahhh Tweenkie-Poo, you lyin' sucks cant ever deal with reality. You have to warp and obscure it in order to make an argument. We've seen your gutless chickenshit way to many times now. ^Pure PROJECTION. MAGAt SOP. LMAO Quote
Nationalist Posted Monday at 07:28 PM Report Posted Monday at 07:28 PM 5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Thought about this thread today... https://studyfinds.com/political-violence-justified-maga/ Over Half Of MAGA Republicans Say Political Violence Can Be Justified Indeed. Ya know Mike...it may come to that. And there would be little to no sympathy for the Libbies, should it come to that. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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