Why is Ireland so anti-Israel? What could possibly be the purpose or reason?

[blackbird]

Ireland appears to be a leader in opposing Israel.  I was just curious why that is.  Ireland is far from Israel and is on it's own island except for Northland Ireland which is part of the United Kingdom.  So what is their reason for being so anti-Israel?

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Ireland has been attacking Israel disproportionally since the October 7, 2023 Hamas massacre. Recently, after Israel was readmitted, Ireland announced it would not participate in the 2026 annual Eurovision Song Contest as a protest against Israel’s participation. Its announcement came in concert with similar declarations from Spain, Slovenia, Iceland, and of course, the Netherlands. To all of them, I say good riddance.

If you have a problem with Israel, but not so much with Hamas killers and rapists, Eurovision is not the right forum for you. If you prefer standing with a free and democratic state that is defending itself against terrorists who follow the teachings of the Muslim Brotherhood, and singing alongside free nations like Israel that celebrate co-existence and venerate women’s and gay rights, then Eurovision is for you.

The Irish should be aligned with the Jewish people, given their mutual connection to their homeland. Instead, Ireland has been chasing down Israel relentlessly. Preceding Ireland’s Eurovision boycott, Dublin city council attempted to vote on renaming Herzog Park, named after former Israeli president Chaim Herzog — a slap in the face to his son, Isaac Herzog, Israel’s current president.

The attempted erasure of Jewish life in Ireland sparked an international outcry prompting the withdrawal of the proposal. Ireland’s Prime Minister Michael Martin opposed the idea, calling it “divisive and wrong.” Given the Herzog family’s legacy in Ireland, the country’s Chief Rabbi, Yoni Wieder, said that removing Herzog’s name would be “a shameful erasure of a central part of Irish Jewish history.”

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Avi Benlolo: Ireland's Eurovision boycott just the latest attack on Israel

Edited December 12, 2025 by blackbird

[John Stone]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Ireland appears to be a leader in opposing Israel.  I was just curious why that is.  Ireland is far from Israel and is on it's own island except for Northland Ireland which is part of the United Kingdom.  So what is their reason for being so anti-Israel?

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Ireland has been attacking Israel disproportionally since the October 7, 2023 Hamas massacre. Recently, after Israel was readmitted, Ireland announced it would not participate in the 2026 annual Eurovision Song Contest as a protest against Israel’s participation. Its announcement came in concert with similar declarations from Spain, Slovenia, Iceland, and of course, the Netherlands. To all of them, I say good riddance.

If you have a problem with Israel, but not so much with Hamas killers and rapists, Eurovision is not the right forum for you. If you prefer standing with a free and democratic state that is defending itself against terrorists who follow the teachings of the Muslim Brotherhood, and singing alongside free nations like Israel that celebrate co-existence and venerate women’s and gay rights, then Eurovision is for you.

The Irish should be aligned with the Jewish people, given their mutual connection to their homeland. Instead, Ireland has been chasing down Israel relentlessly. Preceding Ireland’s Eurovision boycott, Dublin city council attempted to vote on renaming Herzog Park, named after former Israeli president Chaim Herzog — a slap in the face to his son, Isaac Herzog, Israel’s current president.

The attempted erasure of Jewish life in Ireland sparked an international outcry prompting the withdrawal of the proposal. Ireland’s Prime Minister Michael Martin opposed the idea, calling it “divisive and wrong.” Given the Herzog family’s legacy in Ireland, the country’s Chief Rabbi, Yoni Wieder, said that removing Herzog’s name would be “a shameful erasure of a central part of Irish Jewish history.”

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Avi Benlolo: Ireland's Eurovision boycott just the latest attack on Israel

Ireland aligns with Gaza (Palestinians)  in their struggle for self determination - not unlike their own struggle for Statehood  / unification.

 Irish rhetoric supported the Nazi in WWII, the logic being that if GB could be brought to 'terms / defeated' the unification of Ireland could become a reality - a lot of Irish drank the Nazi  kool-aid during that period and it became generational.  Jewish immigration to Ireland became a juicy divisive issue and the hacks exploited it. 

 

 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

The Irish should be aligned with the Jewish people, given their mutual connection to their homeland.

Instead they're sympathetic to Palestinians and the shared experience of being oppressed, subjugated and denied a homeland - maybe more so given England's role in Palestinian misfortunes. 

[John Stone]

16 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Instead they're sympathetic to Palestinians and the shared experience of being oppressed, subjugated and denied a homeland - maybe more so given England's role in Palestinian misfortunes. 

.agree.......... suppose the so-called Palestinians ran an effective propaganda campaign against Israel in general and the IDF in particular. 

Ireland was heavily involved with UNIFIL in the late '70's - and there was friction between the two countries at that time. 

I think when ur focusing on the 'Palestinians' and recently Gaza tho  you need to focus more broadly - ie, what are Irelands 'wants' regionally (ME)  to be part of a quid pro quo supporting the Palestinians at least in terms of rhetoric. Hacks are basically political whores - esp the leaders who have the power to negotiate. 

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Instead they're sympathetic to Palestinians and the shared experience of being oppressed, subjugated and denied a homeland - maybe more so given England's role in Palestinian misfortunes. 

I have always rooted for the underdog.

Not with this. The Palestinians don't deserve a homeland, and nobody in the region except Iran wants them to have one. A truly independent Palestine would be a powderkeg and would inevitably lead to a massive war with Israel.

The Irish wanted freedom. That is not what Palestinians want. The Palestinians want an Islamic state under Sharia law, and to destroy Israel. Mothers openly brag about their little boys growing up to be martyrs. Even in the West Bank, they were paying pensions to the families of terrorists who were killed or locked up by Israel. They celebrate every bloody terrorist attack, even though almost all are on civilians. Terrorists who are released from prison after periodic hostage negotiations are celebrated as heroes.

And don't even try to compare these animals to the IRA. The IRA sought to minimize or avoid civilian casualties. The Palestinian terrorist groups seek to maximize them. They knew about the peace festival and timed their Oct 7 attack because there would be so many young Israelis nearby and vulnerable. They also knew they were a bunch of peaceniks. They couldn't care less. They indulged in an orgy of slaughter, torture, rape, and murder. They even murdered the Thai and Filipino workers. There is a picture of a grinning terrorist posing, grinning, with a terrified Filipino nanny next to a crib. Then they killed her and killed the baby.

An independent Palestine would try to do the same thing again, only on a larger scale. It would immediately begin to import huge quantities of weapons and soldiers from Iran in preparation for an all-out war of annihilation. The death count in such a conflict would make Gaza seem like a tea party.

[SpankyMcFarland]

Serious tensions are fairly recent. Some historical background. The Jewish community in Ireland has always been small, grew after the Russian pogroms, especially from Lithuania, and peaked at around 5,500. Despite the bizarre allegations about Jews in Catholic school textbooks and the usual tropes highlighted by James Joyce in Ulysses, often directed against German Jews in particular, violent anti-Semitism never really got off the ground in contrast to the recurring violence between Christians there. One has to search hard for examples of deadly sectarian attacks. For example, in 1923, just after the Irish civil war, two Jewish men were shot dead in Dublin under circumstances that suggested a sectarian motive.

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Tue Nov 18 2003 - 10:11

It is 80 years since Emanuel "Ernest" Kahn was shot dead as he walked home from the Jewish Social Club, on Harrington Street in Dublin. The headlines of the day screamed: "Midnight murder of a Jew: very callous crime". Katrina Goldstone is intrigued by a mysterious murder from the 1920s

More curious was that Kahn's murder was the second killing of a Jewish man in two weeks. It was a file on the first murder that led me to the story of Kahn and his strange death. The Department of the Taoiseach documents, now held in the National Archives of Ireland, were innocuously titled "Case of Bernard Goldberg"; I came across them by accident.

The first page referred to the murder of Jews in Dublin, events that merited mention at a Cabinet meeting. The bulk of the correspondence in the file related to a request for compensation by the widow of Barnett Goldberg. Goldberg, an Englishman who travelled regularly to Ireland on business, was shot on the steps of 95 St Stephen's Green on the night of October 30th, 1923.

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Editorials condemned the murder. One maintained: "It would seem inconceivable that in a city where the Hebrew community enjoys such a high social and public standing that the murder could have been due to anti-Semitic feeling."

Kevin O'Higgins, then the minister for home affairs, echoed the sentiment in a speech in the Dáil. Later reports said the murders created panic and unease in the Jewish community. But shootings were common in the early 1920s, and the story soon disappeared.

The Dáil is the House of Commons equivalent. O’Higgins himself was later assassinated by the IRA.

Nobody was caught but ten years later a government minister made the following allegations in a parliamentary debate:

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Rumours in the Jewish community suggested Kahn had been mistaken for a moneylender or punished for "walking out with Christian girls". More sinister details came to light 11 years later, however, during a tetchy Dáil debate in February 1934. Sean MacEntee, the Fianna Fáil minister for finance, accused Fine Gael TDs of knowing who killed Kahn and Goldberg. "The man who committed these crimes, as I have already stated tonight, is a member of the Blue Shirt organisation at the present moment. He was allowed to go free even though those charged with the administration of the law at that time were well aware of the crimes he had committed," he said.

The Blueshirts were Ireland’s milder version of a fascist movement. They were associated with the right-wing parties that became Fine Gael. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blueshirts

Jews tended to join the left-wing parties, including the largest one, Fianna Fáil. That’s about as bad as it got in terms of deadly violence and one can see from the coverage that the response to these murders was not favourable. More serious was Ireland’s failure to admit Jewish refugees from Europe after 1933. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[-TSS-]

I have got the impression that the Irish actually really care about the Palestinians unlike so many others waving the Palestinian flags who only do so for their own virtual signalling until some new fad comes around.

[John Stone]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I have always rooted for the underdog.

Not with this. The Palestinians don't deserve a homeland, and nobody in the region except Iran wants them to have one. A truly independent Palestine would be a powderkeg and would inevitably lead to a massive war with Israel.

The Irish wanted freedom. That is not what Palestinians want. The Palestinians want an Islamic state under Sharia law, and to destroy Israel. Mothers openly brag about their little boys growing up to be martyrs. Even in the West Bank, they were paying pensions to the families of terrorists who were killed or locked up by Israel. They celebrate every bloody terrorist attack, even though almost all are on civilians. Terrorists who are released from prison after periodic hostage negotiations are celebrated as heroes.

And don't even try to compare these animals to the IRA. The IRA sought to minimize or avoid civilian casualties. The Palestinian terrorist groups seek to maximize them. They knew about the peace festival and timed their Oct 7 attack because there would be so many young Israelis nearby and vulnerable. They also knew they were a bunch of peaceniks. They couldn't care less. They indulged in an orgy of slaughter, torture, rape, and murder. They even murdered the Thai and Filipino workers. There is a picture of a grinning terrorist posing, grinning, with a terrified Filipino nanny next to a crib. Then they killed her and killed the baby.

An independent Palestine would try to do the same thing again, only on a larger scale. It would immediately begin to import huge quantities of weapons and soldiers from Iran in preparation for an all-out war of annihilation. The death count in such a conflict would make Gaza seem like a tea party.

yep - 'from the river  to the sea doesn't leave much room for negotiation'

[TreeBeard]

8 hours ago, blackbird said:

Ireland

What does this have to do with Canadian politics?

[Gaétan]

11 hours ago, blackbird said:

Ireland appears to be a leader in opposing Israel.  I was just curious why that is.  Ireland is far from Israel and is on it's own island except for Northland Ireland which is part of the United Kingdom.  So what is their reason for being so anti-Israel?

 

When you commit a genocide, it’s hard to have righteous people supporting you, but the unjust you have in abundance.

[SpankyMcFarland]

10 hours ago, John Stone said:

yep - 'from the river  to the sea doesn't leave much room for negotiation'

Likud came up with this all the way back in 1977. They are making it more than a slogan, though. 

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The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party

There is another side to the coin about Irish support for Palestine - Northern Irish Protestant support for Israel. In recent decades, Israel and Palestine have become a proxy conflict for the Irish, a bit like the rivalry between Glasgow Rangers and Celtic. The Northern Protestants tend to see themselves as biblical settlers sent by God and the Catholics as Palestinians fighting to save their land from the invader. 

https://sluggerotoole.com/2024/04/15/why-unionists-tend-to-support-israel/

Coverage of evictions in the West Bank strike a deep chord in Ireland and recall similar events over the centuries of British occupation. 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/dec/13/new-israeli-barrier-slice-through-precious-west-bank-farmland

 

Edited December 13, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[-TSS-]

On one hand nobody can deny that Israel is has been founded on a stolen land. On the other hand a lot of people make that claim and those people come from countries such as the USA, Canada, Australia etc. How exactly is Israel more of a stolen land land the USA for example?

Of course it we go far away enough back in history Angles and Jutes stole the land from Brits which today is known as England.

[SpankyMcFarland]

1 minute ago, -TSS- said:

On one hand nobody can deny that Israel is has been founded on a stolen land. On the other hand a lot of people make that claim and those people come from countries such as the USA, Canada, Australia etc. How exactly is Israel more of a stolen land land the USA for example?

That’s a complicated matter. Both Palestinian Arabs and Ashkenazi Jews are partially of Canaanite ancestry. The Arabs, more accurately Arab language speakers, also have some ancestry from peninsular Arabia and elsewhere while the Jews who came from Europe have European ancestry, especially on the female side. What’s clear is that the ethno-religious makeup of the territory changed dramatically under late Ottoman and then British rule, with significant immigration from Europe that the Arabs generally opposed and also some influx from neighbouring Arab lands.

The big difference with North America is that the existing population here was ultimately given full rights of citizenship, including suffrage. In Canada, many First Nations and Inuit have also negotiated land claims where they exercise significant rights over their ancestral territory. In fairness, we had the luxury of space and the indigenous population was small.
 

1 minute ago, -TSS- said:

Of course it we go far away enough back in history Angles and Jutes stole the land from Brits which today is known as England.

The previous populations - hunter gatherers, Neolithic farmers, Yamnaya, Celts, Saxons, Danes, Norman French, Huguenots etc. - still live there to at least some extent but they have all integrated. 

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/09/hes-one-of-us-modern-neighbours-welcome-cheddar-man

What I find odd is how somebody in Newfoundland or New Mexico can cheer on the accurate claim of some Jewish ancestry in Israel going back thousands of years without reflecting on what that does to the legitimacy of the claim they have to this continent. 

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, -TSS- said:

On one hand nobody can deny that Israel is has been founded on a stolen land. On the other hand a lot of people make that claim and those people come from countries such as the USA, Canada, Australia etc. How exactly is Israel more of a stolen land land the USA for example?

Of course it we go far away enough back in history Angles and Jutes stole the land from Brits which today is known as England.

We have to stop the stolen lands narrative entirely, but to do that we also have to get rid of two-tier citizens wherein one people are the caretakers of another people.  No one is stealing lands right now.  I think the challenge in Gaza is that a kind of terrorist anti-Israel mentality ingrained itself politically there with Hamas, making it hard for the Gazans to make the most of their land and reach similar living standards and conditions to Israel.  Having said that, Israel has to ensure that they’re not holding back this process, which has been hard given the substantiated security threats to Israel.  Really the Gazans need to start over without Hamas, perhaps in other territories, but how can this be done without fuelling the accusation that Israel wants them out of Gaza and to take the land?  Really countries need to offer Gazans citizenship and an international fund should be in place to help them acquire housing, skills, education, etc.   Even then, telling Gazans they have to leave Gaza won’t be viable.  Israel and Gaza are stuck with each other.  

[SpankyMcFarland]

Listening to David Mencer today on the new barrier in the West Bank. He was basically allowed to dodge all questions about compensation for Arab homeowners and farmers who will lose their land. If they don’t get fair compensation then that is stealing, pure and simple. 

Edited December 13, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[blackbird]

On 12/13/2025 at 10:50 AM, SpankyMcFarland said:

The big difference with North America is that the existing population here was ultimately given full rights of citizenship, including suffrage. In Canada, many First Nations and Inuit have also negotiated land claims where they exercise significant rights over their ancestral territory. In fairness, we had the luxury of space and the indigenous population was small.
 

One matter you left out of the story.   God gave Abraham and his Jewish line of descendants the land of Israel in perpetuity. 

"1  Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee: 2  And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3  And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. " Genesis 12:1-3 KJV

God did use the Jews to bring Jesus Christ into the world, which Christians celebrate this month.  Jesus is God's Son and he came into the world to save lost man.  Jesus is a descendent of King David, and is King of the Jews.  God gave the land of Israel to the Jews as part of his great plan to mankind.  That is why even though it is a tiny nation, it is central in the history of the world.

"11  For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. 12  And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. 13  And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, 14  Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. "  Luke 2:11-14 KJV

"In Luke's Gospel, the term "City of David" primarily refers to Bethlehem, which is identified as David's hometown and the birthplace of Jesus. This identification is made in Luke 2:4-11, where it states that Joseph traveled to Bethlehem because he was of the house and lineage of David. Additionally, 2 Samuel 5:7 mentions the City of David as the fortress of Zion, which is often associated with Jerusalem. The phrase "City of David" reflects both David's royal lineage and the significance of Bethlehem in the biblical narrative, as it is where Jesus was born, fulfilling Messianic prophecies. Bible Hub+4   unquote

It is amazing it was prophesied centuries before that Jesus would be born in Bethlehem.

"2  But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."  Micah 5:2 KJV

That was several thousand years ago.  Since that time they have fought countless wars and the Roman Empire came in and scattered many of them to the rest of the world.  Even though they dispersed throughout much of the world, they are the one group that maintained their Jewish ethnicity throughout those thousands of years. But they were hated by much of the rest of world wherever they went.  Europe discriminated and persecuted them for the past 1,500 years.  Hitler and the Nazis killed two-thirds of the Jews in Europe.  Can anyone seriously blame them for wanting to escape the world's persecution and return to their homeland which God gave them?  I don't think so.  You would do exactly the same thing in their shoes.

Edited December 15, 2025 by blackbird

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

God gave the land of Israel to the Jews as part of his great plan to mankind.  That is why even though it is a tiny nation, it is central in the history of the world.

Let's be honest here, its really only central to the End of Days crap a tiny American Christian cult at the time used to convince America getting into the ME conflict would be a good idea.

If this nonsense hadn't resulted in so much death and destruction it would be comical.

[I am Groot]

On 12/13/2025 at 1:50 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

That’s a complicated matter. Both Palestinian Arabs and Ashkenazi Jews are partially of Canaanite ancestry. The Arabs, more accurately Arab language speakers, also have some ancestry from peninsular Arabia and elsewhere while the Jews who came from Europe have European ancestry, especially on the female side. What’s clear is that the ethno-religious makeup of the territory changed dramatically under late Ottoman and then British rule, with significant immigration from Europe that the Arabs generally opposed and also some influx from neighbouring Arab lands.

It's more complicated than that, as the European Jews were the ancestors of the Israelites, driven out of Judea by the Romans. Also, you might mention that the Ashkenazi Jews were driven out of surrounding Arab lands, or never left Israel in the first place, since a significant population of Jews always managed to stay. And the bulk of the Arabs migrated into that area themselves in the last hundred and fifty years.

 

On 12/13/2025 at 1:50 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

with North America is that the existing population here was ultimately given full rights of citizenship, including suffrage.

The Arabs in Israel have that, as well.

The ones in the territories can't be trusted with that. The last 50 years have turned them into a death cult.

 

 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

If this nonsense hadn't resulted in so much death and destruction it would be comical.

You need to read some history of the area.

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As a result of the Jewish–Roman wars in the 1st and 2nd centuries CE, many Jews were killed, displaced or sold into slavery.[8][9][10][11] Following the advent of Christianity, adopted by the Greco-Roman world under the influence of the Roman Empire, the region's demographics shifted towards newfound Christians, who replaced Jews as the majority by the 4th century. Shortly after Islam was consolidated across the Arabian Peninsula under Muhammad in the 7th century, Byzantine Christian rule over Israel was superseded in the Muslim conquest of the Levant by the Rashidun Caliphate, to later be ruled by the Umayyad, Abbasid, and Fatimid caliphates, before being conquered by the Seljuks in the 1070s. Throughout the 12th and 13th centuries, the Land of Israel became the centre for religious wars between European Christian and Muslim armies as part of the Crusades, with the Kingdom of Jerusalem overrun by Saladin's Ayyubids late in the 12th century. The Crusaders expanded from their remaining outposts, then hang on to their decreasing territories for another century. In the 13th century, the Land of Israel became subject to Mongol conquest, though this was stopped by the Mamluk Sultanate, under whose rule it remained until the 16th century. The Mamluks were defeated by the Ottoman Empire, and the region became an Ottoman province until the early 20th century.

The late 19th century saw the rise of a Jewish nationalist movement in Europe known as Zionism, as part of which aliyah (Jewish immigration to Israel from the diaspora) increased. During World War I, the Sinai and Palestine campaign of the Allies led to the partition of the Ottoman Empire. Britain was granted control of the region by League of Nations mandate, known as Mandatory Palestine. The British had publicly committed to the creation of a Jewish homeland in the 1917 Balfour Declaration. Palestinian Arabs opposed this design, asserting their rights over the former Ottoman territories and sought to prevent Jewish immigration. As a result, Arab–Jewish tensions grew in the succeeding decades of British administration. In 1947, the UN voted for the partition of Mandate Palestine and creation of a Jewish and an Arab state on its territory. The Jews accepted the plan, while the Arabs rejected it. A civil war ensued, won by the Jews.

In May 1948, the Israeli Declaration of Independence sparked the 1948 War in which Israel repelled the invading armies of the neighbouring states. It resulted in the 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight and led to waves of Jewish emigration from other parts of the Middle East. Today, about 40% of the global Jewish population resides in Israel. In 1979, the Egypt–Israel peace treaty was signed, based on the Camp David Accords. In 1993, Israel signed the Oslo I Accord with the Palestine Liberation Organization, which was followed by the establishment of the Palestinian National Authority. In 1994, the Israel–Jordan peace treaty was signed. Despite efforts to finalize a peace agreement between Israelis and Palestinians, the conflict continues.   unquote

History of Israel - Wikipedia

As you can see, the Palestinians are not interested in a peaceful settlement.  They want to fight on and eliminate Israel.  There can be no peace with that attitude.

[eyeball]

Just now, blackbird said:

As you can see, the Palestinians are not interested in a peaceful settlement.  They want to fight on and eliminate Israel.  There can be no peace with that attitude.

Do these Jewish settlers on the Westbank look like they have the sort of attitude you admire?

[blackbird]

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Do these Jewish settlers on the Westbank look like they have the sort of attitude you admire?

There are many terrorists or potential terrorist in the Westbank, including Hamas.  People living nearby have to defend themselves and their communities.

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More than 100 terrorists have been killed and approximately 320 wanted individuals arrested since the launch of Operation Iron Wall in the West Bank, the IDF announced on Wednesday.

Over 700 terrorists have been eliminated in the northern West Bank since the start of the ongoing war.

This development comes amid a significant rise in terror alerts in the West Bank, particularly in Hebron, which is considered a Hamas stronghold.   unquote

IDF kills 100 terrorists in West Bank, terror surges in Hebron | The Jerusalem Post

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

It's more complicated than that, as the European Jews were the ancestors of the Israelites, driven out of Judea by the Romans. Also, you might mention that the Ashkenazi Jews were driven out of surrounding Arab lands, or never left Israel in the first place, since a significant population of Jews always managed to stay. And the bulk of the Arabs migrated into that area themselves in the last hundred and fifty years.

 

The Arabs in Israel have that, as well.

The ones in the territories can't be trusted with that. The last 50 years have turned them into a death cult.

 

 

Ashkenazi Jews are generally of mixed ancestry with a large European component on the maternal side. The local Arab speakers are also of mixed ancestry, partly Canaanite. They tend to be genetically distinct from peninsular Arabs. The demographic figures from the 19th century, especially after 1881, have become a hotly contested political matter. Suffice to say that Jews, especially Ashkenazi Jews, were still very much a minority when the British invaded in WWI. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

One matter you left out of the story.   God gave Abraham and his Jewish line of descendants the land of Israel in perpetuity. 

I will always leave that out because people who imagine they have a direct line to God have caused so much trouble in human history. 

 

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

That was several thousand years ago.  Since that time they have fought countless wars and the Roman Empire came in and scattered many of them to the rest of the world.  Even though they dispersed throughout much of the world, they are the one group that maintained their Jewish ancestry throughout those thousands of years. But they were hated by much of the rest of world wherever they went.  Europe discriminated and persecuted them for the past 1,500 years.  Hitler and the Nazis killed two-thirds of the Jews in Europe.  Can anyone seriously blame them for wanting to escape the world's persecution and return to their homeland which God gave them?  I don't think so.  You would do exactly the same thing in their shoes.

Hold on, I don’t blame them for that at all. Where did I say that? Neither Palestinians nor Muslims have been blameless either. What I do ask is that we remember how this situation has arisen. Russia attacked its Jewish population on the false basis of being behind the assassination of the Tsar and Britain refused to take them into Britain after 1905 but granted them another refuge in a part of the world they had just invaded, Palestine, without consulting the existing population. Of course, Germany subsequently slaughtered them en masse, giving even greater urgency to their flight from Europe. The people who initiated this sequence of events were European gentiles like me. 

 

Edited December 15, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I will always leave that out because people who imagine they have a direct line to God have caused so much trouble in human history. 

I think you need to investigate that.  One clue is the western world which is built on Judeo-Christian thinking and culture is the most civilized in the world.  Compare that with the middle east, Africa and other countries in history.  

The God of the Bible makes it plain in his written word, that it is possible to know God and have a relationship with him.  The New Testament describes how one does that.  Where one spends eternity is at stake here.  This is not something that should be taken lightly.  Of course there are many false religions in the world.  Those must be avoided at all costs.  The Bible gives the truth:  "6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."   John 14:6 KJV

Access to God the Father is only through his Son, Jesus Christ.  He is our intermediary.  Once a person becomes a child of God or a son/daughter of God, everything is changed.  Death is not the end; only the beginning.

God said in his written revelation, the King James Bible, that without faith it is impossible to please him.

That is just the way God chose things to be.  He did not create robots.  He created man with the free will to either believe his written revelation or reject it.  But there are serious consequences for rejecting what God said to man in the Bible.  Eternity is at stake here.

"1  Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. {substance: or, ground, or, confidence} 2  For by it the elders obtained a good report. 3  Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. 

4  By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. {yet…: or, is yet spoken of} 5  By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. 6  But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."   Hebrews Ch11:  1-6 KJV

Edited December 15, 2025 by blackbird

[Gaétan]

11 hours ago, blackbird said:

One matter you left out of the story.   God gave Abraham and his Jewish line of descendants the land of Israel in perpetuity. 

 

Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. And he said to him, ‘All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me. Mt 4.8-10,

Do you think God would have given the kingdoms of the earth to the devil? No, He obtained them from authorities because the leaders of the earthly kingdoms are, for the most part, servants of the devil—for example: Trudeau, Carney, Biden, Starmer, Macron, Merz, and many others.

Your so‑called gurus have poisoned your mind with indoctrination, blinding you to the truth itself. They have built walls of deception so high that you can no longer see reality, only the illusions they feed you.