Why is Ireland so anti-Israel? What could possibly be the purpose or reason?

[herbie]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

I get the sense a lot of Canadians who are sick to death with having to accommodate First Nations wish we could turn back the clock and resettle Canada the way Israel settled Palestine.

No wonder they lead the cheering for pretending Palestine never existed.

"They" aren't. No one can turn back the clock on settlement of the Americas and many are as hapy to crush both natives and Palestinians once and for all.

[herbie]

3 hours ago, suds said:

Ireland is 90% white and predominantly Christian

WTF does that have to do with anything? Only in the mind of someone fundamentally racist, which shows up on this forum all too f*cking often.

[John Stone]

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

In the meantime much of the world is trying to move away from fossil fuels. Like I said its the deep future that Israel should really be concerned about, especially when not if the support Israel receives from abroad simply becomes unsustainable.

It's not a matter of Israel going away but the world.

 

Israel is universally considered a prosperous country with highly developed free market economy and a VERY strong focus on high technology. It actually ranks among the top economies globally, GDP exceeds 500 billion?

The country has a high, western standard of living,  possesses a robust high tech sector and a significant number of multinationals. 

The country  continues to make advances in agriculture, DEFENSE, and healthcare - which of course contributes to its overall strength and resilience. 

Israel is a success story - very much so - definitely has the reach to defend itself and beyond (project power) ranking within the  top 15 of the most power and ADVANCED global militaries. 

IMO I can only see Israel getting even more powerful in a Global sense but specifically regionally. The region is entering a phase of Liberalism - granted it is a small beginning but it is growing. That is good news for Israel and anathema to those (borrow a phrase) shit-hole countries. 

Israel over the past (2) years basically said, 'enough is enough', 'fk the World opinion' ............... and the quiet majority agree with them. 

No, I think the countries that need to worry when fossil fuels become less strategic are those regional countries that have oppressive, sectarian regimes that only rely on energy to sustain their hate. 

Time works for Israel. 

Edited December 21, 2025 by John Stone

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, John Stone said:

IMO I can only see Israel getting even more powerful in a Global sense but specifically regionally. 

Except it's doing so in a heavily subsidized way in a world that is running out of both natural and social capital. It's simply unsustainable. Sure, momentum and inertia might keep things going for another couple of decades. Climate change will likely be the biggest determinator.

[herbie]

Add on they've approved yet another settlement on the West Bank, acting exactly like the 19th century settlement of the Americas. Wiht all the problems going on in this hemisphere, they haven't learned dick in 200 years,

So let's hear the usual peanut gallery scream how that criticism of Israeli govt policy is hatred towards the Jewish people all over the world.

[suds]

19 hours ago, herbie said:

WTF does that have to do with anything? Only in the mind of someone fundamentally racist, which shows up on this forum all too f*cking often. 

I can't say I like the way you worded this. Is that 'someone' you're referring to me or someone else?? If it's me, then that creates a big f*cking problem. If it's not, then please remove it.

Edited December 21, 2025 by suds

[suds]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Add on they've approved yet another settlement on the West Bank, acting exactly like the 19th century settlement of the Americas. Wiht all the problems going on in this hemisphere, they haven't learned dick in 200 years,

So let's hear the usual peanut gallery scream how that criticism of Israeli govt policy is hatred towards the Jewish people all over the world.

Ok, I'll play the peanut gallery. I'm not going to defend Israel because I  believe what they're doing is wrong. But if the Palestinians don't like it, then tell them to sit down, negotiate in good faith, and sign a f*cking peace agreement!!. That's if it's not too late. And I wouldn't blame Israel if they told them to go to hell.

[Gaétan]

4 hours ago, suds said:

Ok, I'll play the peanut gallery. I'm not going to defend Israel because I  believe what they're doing is wrong. But if the Palestinians don't like it, then tell them to sit down, negotiate in good faith, and sign a f*cking peace agreement!!. That's if it's not too late. And I wouldn't blame Israel if they told them to go to hell.

Negotiation is not possible with this criminal government of Israel and their support from the United States. There must be a blockade on arms sales and the economy of this country, but the Americans will veto it. The populations of these countries no longer have any value when voting for these criminals; the police is busy destroying all the movies while the elected officials are corrupting children.

Edited December 22, 2025 by Gaétan

[suds]

48 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Negotiation is not possible with this criminal government of Israel and their support from the United States. There must be a blockade on arms sales and the economy of this country, but the Americans will veto it. The populations of these countries no longer have any value when voting for these criminals; they are busy destroying all the movies while the elected officials are corrupting children.

Hi Gaetan. Have you thought this through? How would you like to see this end? A blockade isn't going to end anything. Nobody in their right mind wants to see this continue. No negotiations means no peace, and it's going to end horribly for someone. Maybe everyone.

Edited December 22, 2025 by suds

[blackbird]

On 12/20/2025 at 6:24 PM, eyeball said:

Not one speck of which justifies the way Palestinians were treated.

When the Jews returned to their land, Palestinians chose not to accept Israel as their government and rebelled against them instead.  Hatred of Israel is ingrained in their thinking and it is taught to their children.  

That was a fatal mistake on their part.  The land belongs to Israel whether they like it or not.  God gave the people of Israel perpetual ownership.  Therefore the idea that the land or even part of it could belong to another group called Palestinians is a fallacy.

"1  Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee: 2  And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3  And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. "  Genesis 12: 1-3 KJV

You don't accept what the Bible says.  That is a big problem for you.  

[eyeball]

58 minutes ago, blackbird said:

When the Jews returned to their land...

How could it have been their's if it was it was already occupied? You're not making sense.

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

You don't accept what the Bible says. That is a big problem for you.  

Not as big as it is for you. No one accepts it and the harder you try to force it the more people resist it.

[Gaétan]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

When the Jews returned to their land, Palestinians chose not to accept Israel as their government and rebelled against them instead.  Hatred of Israel is ingrained in their thinking and it is taught to their children.  

That was a fatal mistake on their part.  The land belongs to Israel whether they like it or not.  God gave the people of Israel perpetual ownership.  Therefore the idea that the land or even part of it could belong to another group called Palestinians is a fallacy.

"1  Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee: 2  And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3  And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. "  Genesis 12: 1-3 KJV

You don't accept what the Bible says.  That is a big problem for you.  

You are wrong, the lands of the world’s countries belong to the devil because the world leaders have given him authority:

Luke 4:5–7

The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. If you worship me, it will all be yours.

The pastors who taught you do not understand the Bible, which makes them nothing but liars.

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

How could it have been their's if it was it was already occupied? You're not making sense.

It was their land since about 2,100 B.C. or 4,100 years ago when God gave it to Abraham and his descendants, the people of Israel.  Many of them were driven out of the land and scattered elsewhere at different times, but it is still their land.  

Aboriginals in many places claim it is their land even though it was occupied by Europeans long ago.  Canada claims the whole area of Canada and it belongs to Canada now.  Natives never even occupied the vast areas they claim.  

As a matter of fact, practically every country and nation of the world was taken by people migrating to it and taking it.  So who are you to say it is not Israel's land?  If anyone has a God-given title to the land more than anyone else in the world, it is Israel.

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

No one accepts it and the harder you try to force it the more people resist it.

You're wrong there.  Millions of people accept it as God's word, and believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior and are heading for an eternity in heaven.   No, people don't resist it because I defend it.  They resist it because of their fallen, depraved nature.  They have been deceived by the evil one or their own corrupt thinking. 

People often don't know what God offers to them because they refuse to listen or read what God tells them in his word. 

This is what God's word says about it:

"19  Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. {in them: or, to them} 20  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: {so…: or, that they may be} 21  Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22  Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23  And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24  Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25  Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."  Romans 1: 19-25 KJV

So God has given man a certain degree of knowledge about God by his creation, but many choose to ignore it.

Why would one choose to go into a lost eternity in hell when it is not that difficult to avoid it and go to heaven?  That's what doesn't make sense.

Nobody is forced to believe anything.  It is purely an individual choice.   So in a sense people choose their own destiny for eternity.

Edited December 22, 2025 by blackbird

[Gaétan]

42 minutes ago, blackbird said:

It was their land since about 2,100 B.C. or 4,100 years ago when God gave it to Abraham and his descendants, the people of Israel.  Many of them were driven out of the land and scattered elsewhere at different times, but it is still their land.  

Aboriginals in many places claim it is their land even though it was occupied by Europeans long ago.  Canada claims the whole area of Canada and it belongs to Canada now.  Natives never even occupied the vast areas they claim.  

As a matter of fact, practically every country and nation of the world was taken by people migrating to it and taking it.  So who are you to say it is not Israel's land?  If anyone has a God-given title to the land more than anyone else in the world, it is Israel.

You're wrong there.  Millions of people accept it as God's word, and believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior and are heading for an eternity in heaven.   No, people don't resist it because I defend it.  They resist it because of their fallen, depraved nature.  They have been deceived by the evil one or their own corrupt thinking. 

People often don't know what God offers to them because they refuse to listen or read what God tells them in his word. 

This is what God's word says about it:

"19  Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. {in them: or, to them} 20  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: {so…: or, that they may be} 21  Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22  Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23  And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24  Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25  Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."  Romans 1: 19-25 KJV

So God has given man a certain degree of knowledge about God by his creation, but many choose to ignore it.

Why would one choose to go into a lost eternity in hell when it is not that difficult to avoid it and go to heaven?  That's what doesn't make sense.

Nobody is forced to believe anything.  It is purely an individual choice.   So in a sense people choose their own destiny for eternity.

Your pastors messed up your mind

[John Stone]

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

Except it's doing so in a heavily subsidized way in a world that is running out of both natural and social capital. It's simply unsustainable. Sure, momentum and inertia might keep things going for another couple of decades. Climate change will likely be the biggest determinator.

........ it is true that Israel has been subsidized by countless U.S. Administrations (don't want to get into that) - mostly weapons related. 

But look beyond that, look at the country - rule of law - science - technology - progress - standard of living ... and on  and on.

Now compare that to the broad region.

Who should really be concerned about the future?

There is no future for the region - it's like Catholicism in the Western world - no future - too conservative. 

Don't you see that this disparity is one of the reasons those authoritarian  regimes that surround Israel want to crush it using the stalking horse of Islam.  

My money is on the Jews - they say the secret weapon that the Jews possess is the International diaspora. 

Some truth to that. 

Edited December 22, 2025 by John Stone

[Venandi]

20 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Negotiation is not possible with this criminal government of Israel and their support from the United States. There must be a blockade on arms sales and the economy of this country, but the Americans will veto it. The populations of these countries no longer have any value when voting for these criminals; the police is busy destroying all the movies while the elected officials are corrupting children.

So in short, you have no original ideas and bring nothing of worth to the table other than inflamed Flybaby style rhetoric that simply tests the integrity (and the mean time between failure) of scroll buttons everywhere. 

Turns out that's OK though because due to the influence (and brutality) of Hamas, there will be no opportunity for lasting peace for a generation. There may be rebuilding, even a degree of prosperity in Gaza, but this generation will pass before Israel finds a true partner for lasting peace. 

Back in the days before Hamas (that would be UNEF and MFO tours for me), things were slowly going in the right direction (IMO of course). But then came Hamas with hardcore religious objectives and all the brutality you would expect of religious extremism. It shattered all previous efforts at a negotiated political solution having political objectives. Their religious objectives were (and still are) only attainable if Israel packs up and moves... I don't see that happening BTW.

So, given your posting history here you seem to be stuck with one of two options: 1. Get onboard with eyeholes time machine construction efforts; or 2. Convince Israel to pack up and leave the area. 

Other than shouting at clouds, that's all ya got and I don't think it's going to work out... you can't even get along with other Christians and even worse, you have no idea how badly that reflects on everything you have to say here because you can't even negotiate with people who share your faith (in general terms).

Think ye that might pose a problem? 

11 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Your pastors messed up your mind

See what I mean? 

Until you sort out Christian issues between Christians and learn to make your own bloody bed, figuring out Islamic fundamentalists is going to be a challenge for you. And based on what I've read of your nonsense, you've never even set foot in the region. 

 

Edited December 23, 2025 by Venandi

[eyeball]

6 hours ago, blackbird said:

So who are you to say it is not Israel's land?

I'm a witness to the theft and murder that was required to make it Israel's land for starters, so are you BTW, and I'm a citizen of a country that says it's also Palestine's land.

And who are you again?

[ironstone]

On 12/12/2025 at 8:46 PM, TreeBeard said:

What does this have to do with Canadian politics?

It could have been titled 'Why are progressives so anti-Israel? Why do they always side with radical Islam instead of progressive Israel?'

[eyeball]

6 hours ago, John Stone said:

 My money is on the Jews - they say the secret weapon that the Jews possess is the International diaspora. 

Which kind of undermines the whole genocide fear. In case you hadn't noticed every country and people in the world have gone diaspora.  Humanity went global a long long time ago.

In any case its Israel my money isn't on and I doubt the region around it will fare any better really.

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

I'm a witness to the theft and murder that was required to make it Israel's land for starters, so are you BTW, and I'm a citizen of a country that says it's also Palestine's land.

And who are you again?

I know what the Bible says and know wars have been going on there for ages.  You don't accept Israel's right to exist.  So you don't have anything to say.  You basically take the side of terrorists who are not interested in peace.

[Gaétan]

6 hours ago, Venandi said:

So in short, you have no original ideas and bring nothing of worth to the table other than inflamed Flybaby style rhetoric that simply tests the integrity (and the mean time between failure) of scroll buttons everywhere. 

Turns out that's OK though because due to the influence (and brutality) of Hamas, there will be no opportunity for lasting peace for a generation. There may be rebuilding, even a degree of prosperity in Gaza, but this generation will pass before Israel finds a true partner for lasting peace. 

Back in the days before Hamas (that would be UNEF and MFO tours for me), things were slowly going in the right direction (IMO of course). But then came Hamas with hardcore religious objectives and all the brutality you would expect of religious extremism. It shattered all previous efforts at a negotiated political solution having political objectives. Their religious objectives were (and still are) only attainable if Israel packs up and moves... I don't see that happening BTW.

So, given your posting history here you seem to be stuck with one of two options: 1. Get onboard with eyeholes time machine construction efforts; or 2. Convince Israel to pack up and leave the area. 

Other than shouting at clouds, that's all ya got and I don't think it's going to work out... you can't even get along with other Christians and even worse, you have no idea how badly that that reflects on everything you have to say here because you can't even negotiate with people who share your faith (in general terms).

Think ye that might pose a problem? 

See what I mean? 

Until you sort out Christian issues between Christians and learn to make your own bloody bed, figuring out Islamic fundamentalists is going to be a challenge for you. And based on what I've read of your nonsense, you've never even set foot in the region. 

 

We know that you are a former soldier working for an American agency, and it is not necessary to read what you say, since it is actually a copy‑paste of what your agency tells you to say.

[Gaétan]

23 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I know what the Bible says and know wars have been going on there for ages.  You don't accept Israel's right to exist.  So you don't have anything to say.  You basically take the side of terrorists who are not interested in peace.

The terrorists are the persecutors that you defend.

[Venandi]

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

We know that you are a former soldier working for an American agency,

Unfortunately, responding to your nonsense isn't billable; the agency considers any interactions with mentally ill citizens to be a voluntary community service. 

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

it is not necessary to read what you say, since it is actually a copy‑paste of what your agency tells you to say.

They have some great writers on staff eh?

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

I know what the Bible says and know wars have been going on there for ages. 

You don't need a Bible to see that.

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

You don't accept Israel's right to exist.

Sure I do, as a nation within a state called Palestine.

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

So you don't have anything to say.

You just don't listen.

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

You basically take the side of terrorists who are not interested in peace.

So do you.

[blackbird]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure I do, as a nation within a state called Palestine.

There never was a state called Palestine.  That is an invention of people like you who want to carve one out of Israel.  Look at a map for a change and see how big Israel is compared with Iran or Iraq or many other countries.  It is a tiny area.  Your idea of cutting it in half is ludicrous and very anti-Semitic.  Israel is surrounded by a sea of hostile Muslim countries and has a right to exist and needs what land it has to defend itself.  Simple really.

"Historically, there was never an independent country named Palestine. While the State of Israel was established in 1948, a Palestinian State was not established. The PLO declared a Palestinian state in 1988, and in 2012, the UN General Assembly granted Palestine the status of a non-member observer state. 

 

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Edited December 23, 2025 by blackbird