Why is Ireland so anti-Israel? What could possibly be the purpose or reason?

[blackbird]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

You don't accept Israel's right to exist.

Sure I do, as a nation within a state called Palestine.

You are clueless.  Do you know how small Israel already is?  It is 20,770 square kilometers.

Vancouver Island is about 32,000 square kilometers.  So Israel is 2/3 the size of Vancouver Island and must defend itself against many far larger countries with big populations of Muslims who want to eliminate Israel.  Give your head a shake.

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 12/20/2025 at 4:47 PM, I am Groot said:

Would you? I'm not saying it doesn't exist now. I'm saying it didn't exist a hundred years ago. The people in the whole region considered their identity to be 'Arab'. And there was absolutely no linguistic, cultural, religious, ethnic, or racial difference between those in present-day Palestine/Israel and those in present-day Jordan/Syria.

And Canada has no identity. Our prime minister said so. And he's been doing his best to make that true for ten years now by importing millions and millions of third-world people and telling them not to bother to integrate.

Did Canada never have an identity? Think of any country in the Western hemisphere. The point is the same. Are none of them authentic because they don’t go back as states for thousands of years? 

Irish people are well used to such arguments. Here is a British columnist still questioning Ireland’s legitimacy in 2017!

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A column in a British newspaper which describes Ireland as having a "tenuous claim to nationhood" has provoked an angry reaction from the Irish ambassador to the UK, among others.

The column entitled "Britain is the authentic nation in this battle" appeared in the opinion pages of the Times of London on Tuesday, and elicited a seething reaction from social media commentators.

The piece by writer Melanie Phillips, known for her incendiary views on a range of topics, claims that "Scottish nationalism and Irish republicanism are cultural phenomena rooted in romanticism and myth and hatred of the other in the form of the English or the Protestants".

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The article achieved the unusual feat of riling both Irish republicans and unionists equally by describing the latter group as “not British”.

“The Unionists hate this being said but they are not British. They’re the bit that got tacked on to Great Britain to make the UK,” Ms Phillips opined.

On Ireland’s status as a sovereign state she wrote: “The claim to unite Ireland is tenuous since Ireland itself has a tenuous claim to nationhood, having seceded from Britain as the Irish Free State only in 1922.”

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The column concludes with the rallying call: “Faced with the contemporary resurgence of regional or tribal uprisings, it’s the ancient British Isles that must hold itself together to take its place once again as a sovereign nation in the wider world.”

Reacting to the remarks, Irish ambassador Daniel Mulhall wrote two tweets saying: "As Ambassador I cannot ignore @MelanieLatest's outlandish claim that Irish nationhood is 'tenuous'. 100 years of independence and nationhood based on strong sense of identity, distinctive culture & shared values and interests. Nothing ‘tenuous’.”-claim-to-nationhood-1.3001173nationhood-1.3001173

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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/furious-response-to-column-saying-ireland-has-tenuous-claim-to-nationhood-1.3001173

 

Edited December 23, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[eyeball]

38 minutes ago, blackbird said:

There never was a state called Palestine.

There most certainly was going be and it looks like the vast majority of the world says that still needs to happen.

Like I said before though I think a single state containing two nations is the best long term solution, especially if you're afraid of an arms race between two states.

Of course that'll throw quite a wrench into anyone hoping, wishing for or praying for the End of Days.

 

[eyeball]

45 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You are clueless.  Do you know how small Israel already is?  It is 20,770 square kilometers.

Palestine would be much bigger - plenty of room for everyone. 

[Gaétan]

50 minutes ago, blackbird said:

There never was a state called Palestine.  That is an invention of people like you who want to carve one out of Israel.  Look at a map for a change and see how big Israel is compared with Iran or Iraq or many other countries.  It is a tiny area.  Your idea of cutting it in half is ludicrous and very anti-Semitic.  Israel is surrounded by a sea of hostile Muslim countries and has a right to exist and needs what land it has to defend itself.  Simple really.

"Historically, there was never an independent country named Palestine. While the State of Israel was established in 1948, a Palestinian State was not established. The PLO declared a Palestinian state in 1988, and in 2012, the UN General Assembly granted Palestine the status of a non-member observer state. 

 

History News Network+2

Borders drawn by kings, dictators, thieves, or conquerors deserve no respect.

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

There most certainly was going be

And then Arabs attacked Israel and lost. Whoops.

And then Jordan occupied the West Bank and formally annexed it, while Egypt occupied Gaza.

So much for a Palestinian state.

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Palestine would be much bigger - plenty of room for everyone. 

It never existed as a state and never will.  Israel is very small and needs to defend itself against the various terrorist groups.

[Gaétan]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

It never existed as a state and never will.  Israel is very small and needs to defend itself against the various terrorist groups.

It is the Israeli groups that are the terrorists

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

And then Arabs attacked

If we were invaded, dispossessed, oppressed, subjugated, murdered and raped I'd hope someone would come do something about it too.

 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

It never existed as a state and never will.  Israel is very small and needs to defend itself against the various terrorist groups.

It'll need a multinational multigenerational peace force to do that...and vise versa to protect Palestinians from Israelis.

[Moonlight Graham]

On 12/17/2025 at 7:47 PM, eyeball said:

Is it just me or is there something about the Russians that make them prone to being difficult to get along with?

Yes, i've noticed that too.  Maybe it's because harsh economic conditions create people who need to be tough?  Muslim societies in the middle-east aren't much better.  Maybe because it's a culture where the men are taught to treat women abusively?  It's starting to change among younger educated people there, thankfully.

[blackbird]

6 hours ago, eyeball said:

It'll need a multinational multigenerational peace force to do that...and vise versa to protect Palestinians from Israelis.

It is the terrorists that are widely embedded among Palestinians who attack Israel.  The Palestinians are brainwashed to hate Israel and are incapable of living in peace.  Israel is just defending itself.  You still haven't learned the basic facts.

The U.N. has proven incapable of keeping peace in Rwanda in Africa.  They did nothing while a huge genocide happened.  If the UN operated the same way in Gaza and allowed terrorists to attack Israel, Israel would have to defend itself and the U.N. would have to get out quickly.  They would be useless because they would not go after the terrorists and stop them.  Only Israel would do that.

Ask Romeo Dallaire who was a U.N. leader in Rwanda when the genocide happened.

Edited December 23, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

6 hours ago, eyeball said:

It'll need a multinational multigenerational peace force to do that...and vise versa to protect Palestinians from Israelis.

It would not likely work.  The U.N proved to be a dismal failure in the Rwanda genocide where around a million people were murdered.   Israel must defend itself.  They would be fools to trust the U.N. to defend them.  The U.N. has a long history of being anti-Semitic and anti-Israel.

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As the massacre progressed and press accounts of the genocide grew, the U.N. Security Council backtracked on its position and voted to establish UNAMIR II, with a strength of 5,500 peacekeepers.^[15]

As revealed through testimony at the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, the genocide was brutally efficient, lasting for a total of 100 days and leading to the murder of between 800,000 and 1,171,000 Tutsi, Hutu moderates and Twa. Over two million people were displaced internally or in neighbouring countries.^[16]

Controversy

Dallaire has been criticized by retired Canadian General Lewis MacKenzie for protecting UN soldiers when 10 Belgian paratroopers were killed on duty.^[17] Belgian authorities have stated that they would seek a penal indictment over his role in the deaths of the Belgian paratroopers.^[18]

Dallaire was later criticized by the Belgian parliamentary commission for not preventing the murder of ten members of the 2nd Commando Battalion. In his answer to the martial council he would later say, "I did not know whether they were dead or injured."^[19]

The commission of inquiry of the Belgian Senate in 1998 severely condemned Dallaire's actions during those days, stating it was "imprudent and unprofessional to have the Belgian escorts provided on 7 April with so few military precautions". In addition, the commission stated it "did not understand why General Dallaire, who had noted the blue beret bodies in the Kigali camp, did not communicate this immediately to the FAR's high-ranking officers at the meeting of the École supérieure and did not demand the urgent intervention of those Rwandan officers present. This appears to reflect considerable indifference on his part. Moreover, General Dallaire also neglected to inform his sector commander about what he had seen and to give the necessary instructions".^[20][19]

In his book, Shake Hands with the Devil: The Failure of Humanity in Rwanda, General Dallaire details his decision to send 10 soldiers to protect the Prime Minister during the "apocalyptic" first hours of the genocide.^{[21]     unquote}

Roméo Dallaire - Wikipedia

Edited December 23, 2025 by blackbird

[Gaétan]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

It is the terrorists that are widely embedded among Palestinians who attack Israel.  The Palestinians are brainwashed to hate Israel and are incapable of living in peace.  Israel is just defending itself.  You still haven't learned the basic facts.

The terrorists are the government of Israel and its army, who have just committed a genocide and have been persecuting the Palestinians for 100 years. What your pastors have put into your head is nothing but injustice and racism.

[Gaétan]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

It would not likely work.  The U.N proved to be a dismal failure in the Rwanda genocide where around a million people were murdered.   Israel must defend itself.  They would be fools to trust the U.N. to defend them.  The U.N. has a long history of being anti-Semitic and anti-Israel.

The UN is nothing but a filthy, corrupt organization controlled by the cia.

[John Stone]

31 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

The UN is nothing but a filthy, corrupt organization controlled by the cia.

............really don't think any country 'controls' the U.N.  - the Security Council members with their veto do that. 

As far as the General Assembly goes (?) - meh! 

The General Assembly passes resolutions - it is a debating society - makes the rest of the World think they really matter  - the debates give the Assembly a sense of purpose. 

............ many believe that becoming a non-permanent member of the Security Council was a sexual indulgence for Justine - likely became tumescent at the thought. Despite attempting to buy a seat, his wet dream went unfulfilled. 

As far as Gaza goes (?) - Hamas sowed the wind and reaped the whirlwind,  and then some. 

Israel has no regrets - and deep down the free World applauds their actions. 

Ask yourself, what was Israel's demands?  

[Gaétan]

"We must question the morality of Americans and Israelis for voting for Republicans and Democrats and supporting Netanyahu. These countries are the Sodom of this century.

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

It is the terrorists that are widely embedded among Palestinians who attack Israel.

The IDF is also widely embedded and spread out amongst Israelis who attack Palestine.

[eyeball]

6 hours ago, blackbird said:

It would not likely work.

I didn't say it would be easy. And the longer we put off doing so the harder it will get.

6 hours ago, blackbird said:

They would be fools to trust the U.N. to defend them.  The U.N. has a long history of being anti-Semitic and anti-Israel.

They trusted the precursor to the UN and its members when it was anti-Palestine.

[suds]

18 hours ago, eyeball said:

a single state containing two nations is the best long term solution

That's sort of what the British had in mind at the very beginning of their Mandate. After the British gave up on that idea, it was the U.N. in the end that decided on one State for the Arabs and one State for the Jews, with economic cooperation. How would a single state with two nations work politically with the Jews outnumbered to such an extent? What about Israel's nukes for example? Why would Israel agree to such an arrangement in the first place if they won't budge on the right of return? It's what the Christians and Muslims attempted to do in Lebanon. Their power sharing agreement worked for a while, and then turned into civil war.

[John Stone]

13 minutes ago, suds said:

That's sort of what the British had in mind at the very beginning of their Mandate. After the British gave up on that idea, it was the U.N. in the end that decided on one State for the Arabs and one State for the Jews, with economic cooperation. How would a single state with two nations work politically with the Jews outnumbered to such an extent? What about Israel's nukes for example? Why would Israel agree to such an arrangement in the first place if they won't budge on the right of return? It's what the Christians and Muslims attempted to do in Lebanon. Their power sharing agreement worked for a while, and then turned into civil war.

I believe ur referring to the Partition Plan (1947) - two independent States  - Jewish and Arab. 

The Arabs wrote a cheque they couldn't cash - the result was the first Arab-Israeli war - Israeli declared independence 1949.  Over the decades the Arabs continued to write cheques they couldn't cash. 

Daresay this latest dustup was good for recruiting tho. 

So be it  - next time the Jews will be prepared.  

[eyeball]

24 minutes ago, suds said:

How would a single state with two nations work politically with the Jews outnumbered to such an extent?

With years of international involvement, starting with the peacekeeping and cooling off period previously mentioned.

I mean we could all just wash our hands of the place and let nature take its course but it's not in our nature to do that when it's in our face the way it is.

[suds]

22 minutes ago, eyeball said:

With years of international involvement, starting with the peacekeeping and cooling off period previously mentioned.

I mean we could all just wash our hands of the place and let nature take its course but it's not in our nature to do that when it's in our face the way it is.

Take my word for it.... it's never gonna happen. Never. Both the British and U.N. came to the same realization that the Jews and Arabs couldn't live under the same roof together. So, 80 years later do you get this sense that things are better now than back then? The thing is that even with the present situation the Israelis can live with the status quo while the Palestinians have to make a choice. That is if they want to have some kind of life to live for them and their children. And with the world just waiting to rebuild Gaza, it shouldn't be a difficult one.

[suds]

2 hours ago, Gaétan said:

"We must question the morality of Americans and Israelis for voting for Republicans and Democrats and supporting Netanyahu. These countries are the Sodom of this century.

Maybe we should be questioning the morality of the Palestinian leadership which has a hierarchy of billionaires and multi millionaires and not just in Gaza but the West Bank as well. The worse things are, the richer they all get. Maybe that should be addressed before questioning the morality of the Americans and Israelis. When it comes to morality and corruption, there's really no comparison.  jmo

[WestCanMan]

On 12/12/2025 at 11:20 AM, John Stone said:

Ireland aligns with Gaza (Palestinians)  in their struggle for self determination - not unlike their own struggle for Statehood  / unification.

 Irish rhetoric supported the Nazi in WWII, the logic being that if GB could be brought to 'terms / defeated' the unification of Ireland could become a reality - a lot of Irish drank the Nazi  kool-aid during that period and it became generational.  Jewish immigration to Ireland became a juicy divisive issue and the hacks exploited it. 

British ships couldn't even stop in Irish ports during WWII.

The Irish love being on the wrong side of history.