Trade Talks Halted

[herbie]

Crybaby Donnie Diapers has totally corrupted the entire premise of Republicanism with his self serving goal of driving the economy back to the 1930s.
To the point where he outright LIES (all the time) and tries to rewrite history and after years of painting every source as unreliable and untrustworthy his followers are primed and stupid enough to believe him.

Go ahead tell any Canadian that Reagan was a great supporter of tariffs. Tell us how the fake media induced false memories of our PM dancing and singing onstage with Reagan celebrating the pioneer Free Trade agreement that started the world wide move. We're just not that dimwitted and forgetful to believe the shit spewing from the Fanta Fuhrer's mouth.
I'll sue! I'll sue! I'll punish you harder! You didn't have permission to use a public domain news clip!  I'll punish you even harder!
What an infantile scumbag.....

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

23 hours ago, eyeball said:

Have they figured out yet who's actually paying America its tariffs?

They seem to be as ignorant as Trump is disingenuous.

Are they all pretending?

The lack of debate among Republicans about this is bizarre. Until recently, many of them were free trade absolutists. Now they just keep quiet. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

The incredibly left-wing editorial board of the WSJ weighs in on Trump’s response to Ford’s ad:

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The President gets angry at a TV ad and imposes on a whim a 10% tax on Americans who buy goods from their northern neighbor. Mr. Trump claims he’s not “a king,” but on tariffs he is acting like one, and without a proper delegation from Congress as the Constitution requires.

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Mr. Trump is wrong about the Reagan speech, and he was wrong when he said on social media that “Ronald Reagan LOVED tariffs for purposes of National Security and the Economy.” The Gipper was a free trader. In the 1987 speech, Reagan was trying to explain why he was making an exception to his free-trade policies on semiconductor imports from Japan.

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It’s a shame to see the Reagan Foundation, of all places, indulging Mr. Trump’s pique with its statement saying the speech was taken out of context. Anyone who reads the whole speech can see the Gipper favored free trade, with rare exceptions for political pragmatism and national security. Reagan also backed, long before Nafta, a North American free-trade area.

That couldn’t be more different than Mr. Trump, who wants tariffs as a policy rule, not the exception. Reagan knew that tariffs are taxes, while Mr. Trump pretends they are paid by foreigners. Reagan knew protectionist barriers over time breed complacency and lack of innovation. Mr. Trump thinks he’s making American manufacturing great again, when he is really hurting U.S. manufacturers by burdening them with higher costs. See American companies that use aluminum or steel.

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He can boast about tariffs all he wants, but he shouldn’t get away with taking Reagan’s trade beliefs in vain.

 

Edited October 27, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[Army Guy]

On 10/24/2025 at 12:36 PM, blackbird said:

Ford stood up to Trump.  He did the right thing.  Carney sucks up.  Not so good.

Not true, Ford went on his own and screwed the pouch here.....By now everyone knows how to handle trump....and slapping him around is not the direction he responds to....I'm sure Carney has already curse ford  in some way...This approach is not a team Canada approach...Ford has a flare for dramatics....

Not that I'm a carney man , but he is playing to trumps weak side, he loves to have his ego stroked....and Carney knows his is best served by getting results....where he stands now is anyone's guess...my guess is trump gave him a call and told him to reign in Mr. ford...Every day that this dispute goes on our economy gets weaker and it costs bils to subsidize . better to swallow some pride and get a deal....

[Army Guy]

On 10/25/2025 at 8:42 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

As long as the Americans understand the consquenses of what will happen. Perhaps they may want to review the casualty figures the Russians have suppered. Canada is the same size as Ukraine and the US is the same size as Russia. Or the times the USA has been defeated by little countries like Afghanistan and Viet Nam. How many American kids are they willing to sacrifice for the glorification of Trump.

What you and the other Canadians conveniently forget is while Russia has suffered lots of casualties ....you forget how many Ukrainian had to die as well....entire generation has been wiped out....Think about that for a moment ....That's the price of freedom....and the price is not guaranteed to giver you freedom..You had Canadians willing to do that and you treated them like Sh!t......and Canadians are not going to pay that...not now not ever....they are way to soft....`Taking on the worlds largest Military is insane idea....just to put that into perspective the Marines have more women than we have total amount of combat troops...but hey the betting pool is a million to one, in the US favor....Put that into the history books Canada beaten by a bunch of women...can i get a WHO RAH....

Why would the US government take a risk and invade when there are plenty of ways to bring Canada to it's knees without invading.....

I find it funny that a lot of people on here are chest thumping threating a thousand year war, when we have a military that Canadians deliberately kept small as to not to interfere in our social programs... a Military meant to protect them, better than any red neck or peacenik could ever do with a single shot hunting rifle...

[Army Guy]

21 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

It’s become clear that the U.S. is no longer functioning as a democracy because one man is getting away with setting reckless policy capriciously without any effective checks on his power.  Canada must become less dependent on the U.S. and chart its own course.  The U.S. isn’t a trustworthy partner.

How many times does Canada have to face severe economic damage, this is not trumps first term, we never learned anything from how China has treated us... Every time we say the same thing we need to diversify our trade...two minutes later it is back to normal still trading with those that have hurt us....begging to do trade with them.....we are a bunch of talkers...nothing more...

It does not matter if the US is a trust worthy neighbor or not. We do business there because we are cheap and to lazy to trade with anyone else...It's almost like we are stuck with our trading partners...and refuse to fix the issue....like we could if we tried....

[taxesanddeath]

8 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

A friend of Reagan? Comrade, do you not immediately recognise me as the woke/queer/transgender/radical/Marxist/leftist/globalist/soccer-loving/left-handed lunatic I clearly am? I don’t think the particular circumstances of the speech are that important for us. What matters is that Reagan was an opponent of tariffs in general and a supporter of an amicable and respectful trade relationship with Canada and Mexico in particular. For good or ill he laid the ground for NAFTA, a glaring contrast with the policies of the current president. 

Google ‘Reagan tariffs’ and see the tone of what comes up. It is unmistakable. Yes, Reagan imposed tariffs in his time because it was politically unavoidable but he didn’t like doing it. I’m not saying he was completely right about free trade....

So, did Reagan show us that "there was a time for everything; a time for free trade and a time to raise tariffs"?

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Not true, Ford went on his own and screwed the pouch here.....By now everyone knows how to handle trump....and slapping him around is not the direction he responds to....I'm sure Carney has already curse ford  in some way...This approach is not a team Canada approach...Ford has a flare for dramatics....

Not that I'm a carney man , but he is playing to trumps weak side, he loves to have his ego stroked....and Carney knows his is best served by getting results....where he stands now is anyone's guess...my guess is trump gave him a call and told him to reign in Mr. ford...Every day that this dispute goes on our economy gets weaker and it costs bils to subsidize . better to swallow some pride and get a deal....

I don't think Carney has achieved anything yet with Trump.  I am not sure Ford did the wrong thing with his ads quoting Regan.  It might influence some Republicans.  Trump sure seems to think they were a big deal.

BC Premier Eby says tomorrow BC will start running ads in the U.S.  B.C. is getting hammered by tariffs on the lumber.   This will really hit the lumber industry hard if nothing is changed.  It is a major industry in B.C.   Not sure the federal government is doing anything about the tariffs on lumber.

Edited October 27, 2025 by blackbird

[Queenmandy85]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

What you and the other Canadians conveniently forget is while Russia has suffered lots of casualties ....you forget how many Ukrainian had to die as well....entire generation has been wiped out....Think about that for a moment ....That's the price of freedom....and the price is not guaranteed to giver you freedom..You had Canadians willing to do that and you treated them like Sh!t......and Canadians are not going to pay that...not now not ever....they are way to soft....`Taking on the worlds largest Military is insane idea....just to put that into perspective the Marines have more women than we have total amount of combat troops...but hey the betting pool is a million to one, in the US favor....Put that into the history books Canada beaten by a bunch of women...can i get a WHO RAH....

Why would the US government take a risk and invade when there are plenty of ways to bring Canada to it's knees without invading.....

I find it funny that a lot of people on here are chest thumping threating a thousand year war, when we have a military that Canadians deliberately kept small as to not to interfere in our social programs... a Military meant to protect them, better than any red neck or peacenik could ever do with a single shot hunting rifle...

You are probably right. If the US assumes ownership of Canada, we have a choice to make. Confronting Marines or even the Washington State National Guard is a bad strategy. If someone wanted to resist the occupation, it is better to took for soft targets.

My Dad told me about the anti-war demonstrations in Vancouver at the end of summer in 1939. Then Canada declared war on Germany on Sept. 10th and the line up at the recruiting office stretched around the block. Something happens to people  when war breaks out. 

In spite of my post, I seriously question the wisdom of going to war in this case. Ukraine is facing a second Holodomor. We are not. We may be facing the  plunder of our resourses and the destruction of our heritage, but is it worth the bloodshed to push them out? A lot depends on the question of statehood. If we became a state, we would dominate the electoral college and the House of Representatives. 

Sorry, but I have to defer to your expertise. I just really hope it never happens. 

 

Edited October 27, 2025 by Queenmandy85

[John Stone]

13 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The lack of debate among Republicans about this is bizarre. Until recently, many of them were free trade absolutists. Now they just keep quiet. 

Ur assuming they don't have self interests. American politics is incredibly corrupt and getting more so - they're all hacks. 

[Venandi]

10 hours ago, Army Guy said:

I find it funny that a lot of people on here are chest thumping threating a thousand year war, when we have a military that Canadians deliberately kept small as to not to interfere in our social programs... a Military meant to protect them, better than any red neck or peacenik could ever do with a single shot hunting rifle...

Me too, especially since most of them are unwilling to trust the folks they identify as potential "community based warriors" with a semi-automatic rifle and 5 round magazine. 

Too much Netflix IMO.

That said, while I don't know the numbers there's certainly a lot of ex police, ex military and ex first responders of all stripes here that possess a "warrior mindset" (for lack of a better term). I'd put it within the recruiting zone of 7% of the population and expand it based on age beyond CRA which might push it to 12%.

Those numbers probably exceed the Taliban by a significant amount too and I think the US would be running a prolonged and nasty COIN operation for a very long time as a result of it.

Although the numbers might be small when compared with the overall population and may even run well below the 15% I mentioned, communities here would likely (and voluntarily) supply and support those opposing an occupation force to a much higher level and standard than might be expected right now.

Or perhaps I'm just foolish enough to hope all of that would be the case... I hadn't thought about it much until just now and may end up eating my words after I do.

 

 

 

Edited October 27, 2025 by Venandi

[Goddess]

On 10/24/2025 at 7:04 AM, ExFlyer said:

So, a conservative effort fails.

Ford is a Conservative in name only.  In reality, he's a Liberal.  He threw all his support behind Carney in the last election.  He supports everything and anything Liberal.  

[Venandi]

7 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Ford is a Conservative in name only.  In reality, he's a Liberal.  He threw all his support behind Carney in the last election.  He supports everything and anything Liberal.  

I'm profoundly disappointed in the provincial Conservatives here too given their support of the gun grab in CB. It's part of what's changed my overall view of conservatives across the board as the ground continues to shift under my feet.

Never thought I would become a single issue voter but conservatives have become the liberals of old, the liberals the NDP of old, and the NDP the raving lunatics of California fame. 

 

Edited October 27, 2025 by Venandi

[Goddess]

On 10/24/2025 at 5:41 PM, 500channelsurfer said:

I think Carney is actually trying to legitimately work for the best interests of Canada on the economic front,

90% of Carney's investments are in the US.  He succeeds when Canada doesn't.

I don't believe he's working in the best interests of Canada at all.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

Ford is a Conservative in name only.  In reality, he's a Liberal.  He threw all his support behind Carney in the last election.  He supports everything and anything Liberal.  

But he represents the conservatives in Ontario. You may not like it but he is the leader of the largest conservative party in Canada.

Yes, he threw in with Carney...because he saw PP was a 1diot and fool and could not see and did not want him to be the PM.

[SpankyMcFarland]

17 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

But he represents the conservatives in Ontario. You may not like it but he is the leader of the largest conservative party in Canada.

Yes, he threw in with Carney...because he saw PP was a 1diot and fool and could not see and did not want him to be the PM.

Poilievre failed to keep the two wings of his party together. He did the easy thing and ran as a Reform candidate, driving some PC voters to the Liberals. Ford needed to be included and acknowledged from the beginning. 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Poilievre failed to keep the two wings of his party together. He did the easy thing and ran as a Reform candidate, driving some PC voters to the Liberals. Ford needed to be included and acknowledged from the beginning. 

In my opinion, Ford did what he had to for Canada and Canadians while PP was still whining about Trudeau...which he is still doing LOL

I do think Ford pooched with that advertisement though. Gotta wonder if he did that on his own or if he let Carney know in advance?

[SpankyMcFarland]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

In my opinion, Ford did what he had to for Canada and Canadians while PP was still whining about Trudeau...which he is still doing LOL

I do think Ford pooched with that advertisement though. Gotta wonder if he did that on his own or if he let Carney know in advance?

I think there’s a bit of Trump in Ford. He’s a hard man to manage. I’d say he wonders why he isn’t PM himself a fair bit of the time. 

[ExFlyer]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

90% of Carney's investments are in the US.  He succeeds when Canada doesn't.

I don't believe he's working in the best interests of Canada at all.

Oh, it is Carneys "blind trust" that concerns you?? LOL

"The U.S. accounts for nearly half of the CPP's portfolio, reaching a record high of 47% in mid-2025.  In the same period, Canada's share of the investment portfolio dropped to a record low of 12%"

"The share of Canadian direct investment in the United States increased from 44.2% to 52.1% of the total outward investment position in the past 20 years."

 

"As of 2024, Canadian investors held a total of $1,289.3 billion in U.S. stocks, representing 52.1% of our total holdings outside Canada. Looking south of the border for portfolio diversification is popular, not least because the NYSE tends to outperform the TSX."

 

"Canadian investors significantly increased their exposure to foreign securities in May, acquiring $13.4 billion worth, more than triple the $4.1 billion invested in April."

 

 

Where are your mutual funds, TFSA's etc invested???

Edited October 27, 2025 by ExFlyer

[Legato]

5 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Oh, it is Carneys "blind trust" that concerns you?? LOL

"The U.S. accounts for nearly half of the CPP's portfolio, reaching a record high of 47% in mid-2025.  In the same period, Canada's share of the investment portfolio dropped to a record low of 12%"

"The share of Canadian direct investment in the United States increased from 44.2% to 52.1% of the total outward investment position in the past 20 years."

 

"As of 2024, Canadian investors held a total of $1,289.3 billion in U.S. stocks, representing 52.1% of our total holdings outside Canada. Looking south of the border for portfolio diversification is popular, not least because the NYSE tends to outperform the TSX."

 

"Canadian investors significantly increased their exposure to foreign securities in May, acquiring $13.4 billion worth, more than triple the $4.1 billion invested in April."

 

 

All pre Carney

We are talking about the Carney here, not a general curriculum vitae.

574 separate stock holdings, either directly or through pooled funds — 91% of them headquartered in the United States. Mark Carney.

 

[ExFlyer]

Just now, Legato said:

We are talking about the Carney here, not a general curriculum vitae.

574 separate stock holdings, either directly or through pooled funds — 91% of them headquartered in the United States. Mark Carney.

 

I responded to goodness and her comment about Carney.

I pointed out most of Canadians investment are in the US.

[Legato]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

I responded to goodness and her comment about Carney.

I pointed out most of Canadians investment are in the US.

Yes there is a large amount of general US investment from Canada.

We are talking about the Carney's obvious financial bias.

Not 51% but 91%.

 

[Army Guy]

11 hours ago, blackbird said:

I don't think Carney has achieved anything yet with Trump.  I am not sure Ford did the wrong thing with his ads quoting Regan.  It might influence some Republicans.  Trump sure seems to think they were a big deal.

BC Premier Eby says tomorrow BC will start running ads in the U.S.  B.C. is getting hammered by tariffs on the lumber.   This will really hit the lumber industry hard if nothing is changed.  It is a major industry in B.C.   Not sure the federal government is doing anything about the tariffs on lumber.

Well ford did accomplish something pissing off trump was that the objective, ask yourself will pissing off trump get us any closer to getting tariffs removed...Pissing him off is not the right way to handle trump....i'm not a carney fan but i think he was on the right track, by stroking trumps ego....he does not respond to anything else...so Carney is swallowing his pride and sucking up, in exchange he'll get a deal....

EBY is a twit....I would not be surprised if carney tells them both to knock it off, every day we pay out tax dollars to fund these industries that are effected, why would you poke the bear to gain political points ? really Lumber is a major industry every where...here in NB it runs the province...and the feds are giving funding to these industries now...why risk having more tariffs added....it does not sound like a good strategy...

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, Venandi said:

Me too, especially since most of them are unwilling to trust the folks they identify as potential "community based warriors" with a semi-automatic rifle and 5 round magazine. 

Too much Netflix IMO.

That said, while I don't know the numbers there's certainly a lot of ex police, ex military and ex first responders of all stripes here that possess a "warrior mindset" (for lack of a better term). I'd put it within the recruiting zone of 7% of the population and expand it based on age beyond CRA which might push it to 12%.

Those numbers probably exceed the Taliban by a significant amount too and I think the US would be running a prolonged and nasty COIN operation for a very long time as a result of it.

Although the numbers might be small when compared with the overall population and may even run well below the 15% I mentioned, communities here would likely (and voluntarily) supply and support those opposing an occupation force to a much higher level and standard than might be expected right now.

Or perhaps I'm just foolish enough to hope all of that would be the case... I hadn't thought about it much until just now and may end up eating my words after I do.

 

 

 

No doubt you would have a major influx of volunteers to join a insurgency of some sort.. most of them with no more skill than hunting each year....And i base my opinion on my experience in Afghanistan where the average fighter had years of hard core fighting and were very experienced at insurgency warfare...But every time we went out, they would start a tic, of some sort...every convoy or patrol would consist of Gun trucks G-wagons, and LAVs, MRAPS not to mention all the grunts if we dismounted....plus over head protection normally a couple of griffons, or armed UAV's, or other coalition Attack helos...that's a lot of fire power for a bunch of red necks armed with hunting rifles...It never ended well with them, and 99 % of the time it ended with us the grunts going into the kill zone to secure intel and take pictures if they could be identified...i say if because 25 mm leaves a huge mess...and it is their custom to bury their dead within 48 hours, so we left them there so their buddies could find them....it kind of takes the fight out of you when you see what can happens when your hit with 25 mm 

Yes we took some hits as well, through IED's even a few during fire fights....but it only gave us more resolve...and for every one of us they killed we killed dozens upon dozens...they grew up with this type of warfare, and they were as hard as they come, living off the land for long periods of time...able to move or walk unlimited kms, and very adapt at bush craft...any ways Canadians for the most part are none of those things, we have been lucky and not subjected to war and all of its horrors....Look At Ukraine , Russian units are so spread out in small groups of 4 or 5 so not to attract drones...the battle field is constantly under observation...it has changed so much from what i saw and experienced..

it would get nasty very fast....I could not even imagination the average life span of anyone picking up arms and fighting US forces...As for communities supporting insurgents , it is possible...until those were weeded out, we were getting pretty good at identifying these people in Afghanistan, by tracking them over head, through cell phone comms, recce teams...once that group or cell was identified we scoop all of them up in one night hand them over to the ANP, or ANA most would not be seen again...Not that the US would use those tactics, but surveillance has only gotten better since we used it...and if those US forces are taking casualties loose a few comrades in arms and suddenly the Geneva convention does not really hold you to account in some situations...

And no you not foolish, as there are lots of Canadians with a warrior sprite...that would be willing to stand up and fight...but a lot of things change once you've been on the battle field for a while...motivation leaves, nothing but pain and suffering remain...I know my son has followed in my foot steps and is an RCR as well, and if anything every happened to him, i, like you would be putting on some of my old gear and looking to join the fight  regardless of age..

I'm just not convinced of a happy ending or even keeping our nation intact...Canadians are not the same people as the Afghanis, or Ukrainians, or Vietnamese, they are not hardened by life, just turning of the power could be overt whelming for Canadians...

[ExFlyer]

3 hours ago, Legato said:

Yes there is a large amount of general US investment from Canada.

We are talking about the Carney's obvious financial bias.

Not 51% but 91%.

 

As opposed to most Canadian obvious financial biases??? LOL

Again, his are in a "blind trust" are most Canadians in there?

What are most Canadians mutual funds invested in?

What is PP's general investment portfolio in???? Probably the same ads Carneys. 

A person invests in what makes them money...regardless of the locality is sits in.....you included LOL

Edited October 27, 2025 by ExFlyer