Trade Talks Halted

[ExFlyer]

So, as a result of Fords advertising campaign, it pi$$ed of Trump enough that he cancelled all trade talks with Canada.

"Donald Trump says he is ending all trade talks with Canada based on an anti-tariff ad the Ontario government is running featuring former U.S. President Ronald Reagan warning about the economic threats posed by tariffs."

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2025/10/23/trump-says-trade-talks-with-canada-terminated-over-ford-government-anti-tariff-ads/

 

So, a conservative effort fails.... big time. Cannot blame this on Carney

 

Edited October 24, 2025 by ExFlyer

[LinkSoul60]

Nahhhh, no conservative blame there. Ford's doing what he can for his province but the one and only fact is that there is an immature and petulant man child that is the POTUS who is actively trying to destroy our industrial economy.

Carney will smooth the orange shit over this weekend in Asia and all will be well in Trump's failing and feeble mind again... until his next childish rant. Then again and if he can't smooth it over quickly I'd think the majority of Canadian's would continue to say... fùck Trump.  

[blackbird]

It is nonsensical to blame Ford.  This is entirely due to Trump and his unpredictable, erratic behavior.  Trump is looking for any excuse to keep the tariffs going because he is opposed to free trade and thinks it somehow is unfair to America to have free trade.  We will see how long this lasts if he indeed halts talks.  It may be just another one of his negotiating tactics.  That's how he thinks.

[ExFlyer]

25 minutes ago, blackbird said:

It is nonsensical to blame Ford.  This is entirely due to Trump and his unpredictable, erratic behavior.  Trump is looking for any excuse to keep the tariffs going because he is opposed to free trade and thinks it somehow is unfair to America to have free trade.  We will see how long this lasts if he indeed halts talks.  It may be just another one of his negotiating tactics.  That's how he thinks.

How could it possibly be nonsensical???

Ford spent $75 million of Ontario taxpayer money to broadcast advertisements all over the US networks, especially during ALCS baseball games.

For sure Trump likes tariffs, everyone, even Americans, know that. The thing though is that he terminated all trade talks with Canada. Tactic or not, it has not done any good for Canada or talks Canada was having.

This was a huge mistake by Ford and his government. Who knows how far this has set the talks back. Carney and his team were working on it and now? What? This is all on Fords shoulders.

[ExFlyer]

47 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Nahhhh, no conservative blame there. Ford's doing what he can for his province but the one and only fact is that there is an immature and petulant man child that is the POTUS who is actively trying to destroy our industrial economy.

Carney will smooth the orange shit over this weekend in Asia and all will be well in Trump's failing and feeble mind again... until his next childish rant. Then again and if he can't smooth it over quickly I'd think the majority of Canadian's would continue to say... fùck Trump.  

The problem with that thinking is that the tariffs are not only on Ontario. All of Canada is suffering and now, all of Canada is in limbo.

Yup, Trump is certainly the one imposing tariffs but...he is also the one that has the control and what we want.

I hope Carney can and will smooth things over but...he should not have had to .

Yup, but things time we need to remember who damaged or prolonged the problem and it was certainly not Carney.

 

 

[BeaverFever]

54 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

How could it possibly be nonsensical???

Ford spent $75 million of Ontario taxpayer money to broadcast advertisements all over the US networks, especially during ALCS baseball games.

For sure Trump likes tariffs, everyone, even Americans, know that. The thing though is that he terminated all trade talks with Canada. Tactic or not, it has not done any good for Canada or talks Canada was having.

This was a huge mistake by Ford and his government. Who knows how far this has set the talks back. Carney and his team were working on it and now? What? This is all on Fords shoulders.

The thing is Trump was always going to pull some crazy shit like this. When someone is that unstable and irrational  you can’t blame anyone else. 

If you’ve ever dated a “crazy chick” you can relate. After they have some kind of freak out meltdown you at first think to yourself if only you hadn’t said x or done y the whole thing wouldn’t have happened but you quickly realize with crazy people these things are inevitable they will always find an excuse to freak out, you just have to cut your losses and distance yourself from them, and most importantly not blame yourself for their crazy behaviour. 

Edited October 24, 2025 by BeaverFever

[Nationalist]

10 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The thing is Trump was always going to pull some crazy shit like this. When someone is that unstable and irrational  you can’t blame anyone else. 

If you’ve ever dated a “crazy chick” you can relate. After they have some kind of freak out meltdown you at first think to yourself if only you hadn’t said x or done y the whole thing wouldn’t have happened but you quickly realize with crazy people these things are inevitable they will always find an excuse to freak out, you just have to cut your losses and distance yourself from them, and most importantly not blame yourself for their crazy behaviour. 

Crazy?

Wait for it...

[blackbird]

Ford stood up to Trump.  He did the right thing.  Carney sucks up.  Not so good.

[Goober National]

Trump wants to take over our country, and will find any means to do so. We are just falling for it. Pretty soon we'll be begging to join, thanks to our own choices. Poor leadership and a generally bad attitude.

[ExFlyer]

17 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The thing is Trump was always going to pull some crazy shit like this. When someone is that unstable and irrational  you can’t blame anyone else. 

If you’ve ever dated a “crazy chick” you can relate. After they have some kind of freak out meltdown you at first think to yourself if only you hadn’t said x or done y the whole thing wouldn’t have happened but you quickly realize with crazy people these things are inevitable they will always find an excuse to freak out, you just have to cut your losses and distance yourself from them, and most importantly not blame yourself for their crazy behaviour. 

For sure he ill and does.

That should be enough to realize that fanning the fire is not a wise thing to do.

While Ford may have thought he was informing and making Americans wiser, Trump takes it as a personal attack.

I think what Ford did was very irresponsible (but correct) and if he thought he was not going to realize consequences, he was also very wrong.

All the effort that has been expended in this trade war discussion with the Americans may have just been flushed down the drain.

Sad thing is that we cannot "distance" ourselves from the US, let alone their crazy leader.

Hopefully Carney will discuss this with Trump while in Asia and can smooth it over.

[ExFlyer]

11 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Ford stood up to Trump.  He did the right thing.  Carney sucks up.  Not so good.

Ford stood up to him alright and damaged Canada and the effort to come to some arrangement with the US.  That is what is "not so good"

So no, he did not do the right thing...he did not and cannot speak for all the other Provinces.

The situation we are in now has nothing to do with Carney.

[John Stone]

5 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

So, as a result of Fords advertising campaign, it pi$$ed of Trump enough that he cancelled all trade talks with Canada.

"Donald Trump says he is ending all trade talks with Canada based on an anti-tariff ad the Ontario government is running featuring former U.S. President Ronald Reagan warning about the economic threats posed by tariffs."

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2025/10/23/trump-says-trade-talks-with-canada-terminated-over-ford-government-anti-tariff-ads/

 

So, a conservative effort fails.... big time. Cannot blame this on Carney

 

People are getting used to Trump. Stock markets are bored - because he's getting boring. Same sht - different day? 

[LinkSoul60]

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

The problem with that thinking is that the tariffs are not only on Ontario. All of Canada is suffering and now, all of Canada is in limbo.

Yup, Trump is certainly the one imposing tariffs but...he is also the one that has the control and what we want.

I hope Carney can and will smooth things over but...he should not have had to .

Yup, but things time we need to remember who damaged or prolonged the problem and it was certainly not Carney.

 

 

I get that but end of the day Ford and team did what they thought best to get the message across. I don't blame him and/or his conservative government at all.

It's in Trump's and Carney's interests to get some sort of agreement done and trust this will get smoothed out over the weekend.  

That said...  you have to wonder what the point of any 'agreement' with Trump means because he doesn't honour agreements.  

[SpankyMcFarland]

NRO is a classically conservative publication. This is what it had to say on the matter:

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Much of the Trump trade posture, however, is explicitly protectionist, rejecting Reagan’s entire framework of seeking an end goal of free trade, or it’s based on the anti-free-trade assumption that trade deficits in manufactured goods are somehow proof of an absence of fair trade. So you can see why Trump, even aside from his general dislike of a foreign government running TV ads targeting American voters, would be hypersensitive to this message. In fact, Trump was harshly critical of Reagan’s stance at the time for being too soft on Japan: He spent nearly $100,000 in September 1987 running a full-page ad  in the New York Times, the Washington Post, and the Boston Globe arguing that Japan was ripping us off by not shouldering the costs of its own defense, a theme similar to what he says today.

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Carney says he can wait for Trump to come around, and as with Trump’s move, some of this is just posturing for domestic audiences, and some is a negotiating position. But nobody should be under the illusion that Trump has the better argument in trying to appropriate Ronald Reagan’s legacy on free trade.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-is-mad-at-canada-but-not-for-misquoting-reagan/

[suds]

The only thing Trump's concerned about is bringing manufacturing jobs (and investment) back into the U.S. and putting Americans back to work. Which he appears to be doing. What Reagan warned about was that protectionism eventually kills innovation for the simple lack of competition. We as Canadians have to make do with the cards we've been dealt. Jean Charest made the comment not so long ago that in 10 or 20 years we may realize that this was the time that made us finally get our act together and put our own house in order. He may be right, but it won't help us in the short term. Personally, I think the ads are a bit of a mistake only throwing more fuel on the fire.

[taxme]

9 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

So, as a result of Fords advertising campaign, it pi$$ed of Trump enough that he cancelled all trade talks with Canada.

"Donald Trump says he is ending all trade talks with Canada based on an anti-tariff ad the Ontario government is running featuring former U.S. President Ronald Reagan warning about the economic threats posed by tariffs."

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2025/10/23/trump-says-trade-talks-with-canada-terminated-over-ford-government-anti-tariff-ads/

 

So, a conservative effort fails.... big time. Cannot blame this on Carney

 

Dummy, it should be well known by now that Ford is not a real and true conservative. Ford acts and talks like a lieberal. Ford has pretty much phkd up Ontario just like your dear comrade leader in Ottawa has done already to Ontario and the rest of Canada. 

When it comes to the trade talks, Carnage will not win with Trump. Trump holds the cards, dummy. This why i keep saying all the time that it is time for Canada to cease to exist. The old Canada is now being replaced by millions of non-white immigrants who are now responsible for creating the housing crisis and causing great problems our medical and social services going bankrupt.

Lineups to see or even find a doctor. Waiting for hours to see a doctor. Go get a blood test or go to an hospital emergency room and there you will see plenty of non-whites that should not even be there. All due to this massive non-white lieberal immigration into Canada brought about by your dear lieberal leader globalist bunch of scumbags. And dummies like you like to think that Conservatives are the problem along with Trump. Lieberals have been running and ruining this country for ten years now. And dummy lieberals like you think that they have been doing a great job. Phk awf. 

Conservatives have the answers to Canada's problems. It is just that we have to now wait for another four more years of lieberal globalist bullshit before we might be able to salvage and have a chance to fix up Canada before it is too late, although i really do think that it is already too late now. The WEF globalists are coming and they do not have your health or freedom in mind, Antifa boy. 🤡

[500channelsurfer]

As Canadians, we must remember that we are "sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt"

Currently, the one we are sleeping with is notoriously temperamental for the time being.

While Doug Ford may be right, someone needs to stand up to him and tell him to stop poking the bear, as he is only hurting his own cause.

[taxme]

9 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Nahhhh, no conservative blame there. Ford's doing what he can for his province but the one and only fact is that there is an immature and petulant man child that is the POTUS who is actively trying to destroy our industrial economy.

Carney will smooth the orange shit over this weekend in Asia and all will be well in Trump's failing and feeble mind again... until his next childish rant. Then again and if he can't smooth it over quickly I'd think the majority of Canadian's would continue to say... fùck Trump.  

You see the difference between Trump and Carnage is that Trump gives a dam about America, Carnage the globalist destroyer of Canada does not. Carnage and his globalist WEF ilk have different plans for Canada. And Trump knows and sees this. Trump is probably doing Canada a favor by making it harder for Carnage and his globalist ilk and buddies of trying to finish of Canada. While Americans are getting their freedoms back, Carnage is trying to stifle freedom of speech in Canada with all of his C Bills and new censorship laws like the Online Harms Act.  

I keep asking here all the time as to what has Carnage done since he became the prime dictator of Canada, and no one here can give me anything that he has done to try and keep Canada great. Since Carnage has been the dictator of Canada and has gone on seven world trips to promote Canada, but so far i have not seen anything or heard of anything as to what he has done for Canada except to keep spending millions or billions of our tax dollars trying to demote Canada instead. 

It is the orange man that is shitting on Carnage and not the other way around. Phuck Carnage. 🤪

[taxme]

2 minutes ago, 500channelsurfer said:

As Canadians, we must remember that we are "sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt"

Currently, the one we are sleeping with is notoriously temperamental for the time being.

While Doug Ford may be right, someone needs to stand up to him and tell him to stop poking the bear, as he is only hurting his own cause.

All Carnage and Ford seem to be doing is to try and pizz off the elephant in the room. Canada is just a mouse in size compared to the size of the American elephant. Unfortunately, Canada must bend the knee to the elephant in order to survive. Just my opinion. 

[500channelsurfer]

2 minutes ago, taxme said:

Canada is just a mouse in size compared to the size of the American elephant. Unfortunately, Canada must bend the knee to the elephant in order to survive.

You explained in layman's terms my quote, by someone who is not popular on this forum.

You and I agree on that.

You and I might disagree in that I think Carney is actually trying to legitimately work for the best interests of Canada on the economic front, by strengthening trade ties other than the one we have with our elephant.

Doug Ford on the other hand, is playing a game he can only lose.

[taxme]

13 minutes ago, 500channelsurfer said:

You explained in layman's terms my quote, by someone who is not popular on this forum.

You and I agree on that.

You and I might disagree in that I think Carney is actually trying to legitimately work for the best interests of Canada on the economic front, by strengthening trade ties other than the one we have with our elephant.

Doug Ford on the other hand, is playing a game he can only lose.

We will never see Canada's potential as long as the lieberal party is still in power. Canada should be one of the most wealthiest countries in the world, but instead, we are way too much woke and broke and heading for bankruptcy. Instead of Canadians being somewhat filthy rich, we are instead now seeing Canada and Canadians become a much more broke and woke and bankrupt country. 

Trump has said that America is making so much money in tariffs, that Trump is thinking about giving some of those tariff dollars to his American citizen's, like the people in Alaska who get yearly dividends from their government from oil. Trump has also stopped anyone from having to pay taxes on tips, taxes on overtime, and taxes on old age security. It sure looks and sounds like Trump is a very terrible and evil man. LOL. 

This i can guarantee you that our Canadian federal government would never commit to such a great idea like those three ideas mentioned above. Instead, our federal government would prefer to borrow more money from the banksters and blow that money on the rest of the world. That is some great leader that Carnage is not. 👎

[500channelsurfer]

29 minutes ago, taxme said:

Canada should be one of the most wealthiest countries in the world, but instead, we are way too much woke and broke. Instead of Canadians being somewhat filthy rich, we are instead now seeing Canada and Canadians become a much more broke and woke and bankrupt country. 

Trump has said that America is making so much money in tariffs, that Trump is thinking about giving some of those tariff dollars to his American citizen's, like the people in Alaska who get yearly dividends from their government from oil. Trump has also stopped anyone from having to pay taxes on tips, taxes on overtime, and taxes on old age security.

This i can guarantee you that our Canadian federal government would never commit to such a great idea like those three ideas mentioned above. Instead, our federal government would prefer to borrow more money from the banksters and blow that money on the rest of the world.

Yes, I agree with you on all those points above.

We have had governments that have for too long banana-republic-ed ourselves out to the rest of the world.

This thread, regarding trade talks, highlights the short-sightedness of some Canadian leaders with regards to our place in the world.

Carney, disregarding his political affiliations, is at least able to see the long game, where broadening trade is at least a step in the right direction.

[SpankyMcFarland]

The pathetic aspect of all this is that Trump actually believes in tariffs. It’s one of the few things he has been consistent about in his life. You’d expect someone who brags about a business school education to have picked up a bit more information there but we are where are. He’s just going to keep on running into a brick wall of reality on this issue until voters stop him, if they ever do.

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

He’s just going to keep on running into a brick wall of reality on this issue until voters stop him, if they ever do.

Have they figured out yet who's actually paying America its tariffs?

They seem to be as ignorant as Trump is disingenuous.

Are they all pretending?

[SpankyMcFarland]

A problem in the Canadian family is that every premier of a big province sees themselves as a near peer of the PM which is a recipe for chaos while negotiating with the likes of Trump. 

Edited October 25, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland