New poll shows majority of Canadians want NO new immigration.

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

The Greens are kinda conservative no?

 

I heard that from NDP people.

Maybe they're concerned the Conservatives will wise up. Seems pretty remote to me.

6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Anyway they're the ones who own it today.

I'm pretty sure it's open source.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. Your problem isn't with immigration, it's with standard of living.

Problems with one lead to the other.  Continually denying the obvious will only cause eventual blowback, which we're already seeing on the immigrant file 

 

 

[blackbird]

Question.  Was it the Liberals plan to have Asians take over all fast food businesses?  They suceeded.

[Goddess]

15 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Your problem isn't with immigration, it's with standard of living.

Immigration levels affect standard of living.

And standard of living affects the overall health and happiness of a country.

And Canada's standard of living has been dropping like a stone thrown in water.

[CdnFox]

26 minutes ago, Goddess said:

And Canada's standard of living has been dropping like a stone thrown in water.

This is absolutely true. 

Unlike wood and ducks which float in water. And you know what else floats in water? Mike!  Therefore....  HE"S A WITCH!!! BURN HIM!!! BUUUUUURN THE WITCH!!!!!!

 

 

Well he may not be a witch but he's being a twat.  The information that our current immigration policies (and by current i mean since 2015) have been hurting us has been out there for some time.  He's denying the undeniable just out of sheer spite. 

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

He's denying the undeniable just out of sheer spite. 

It's so ignorant.  How can you logically deny the fact that if you bring in millions of people in a short amount of time, but make no changes to hospital capacity, school capacity, housing, jobs, etc. - things are not going to go well, resources are going to run out?  If a house has a max capacity of 10 people and you force 60 people to live in it.....what do you think is going to happen?  And what if of those 60 people you bring in - 20 of them think women are garbage and that shi!ting on the sidewalk is perfectly acceptable.  What do you think life is going to be like for the owners of that house that have poured their life savings into it?  How pleased are they going to be to also have to financially support say, half of these people?

It's astonishing to me that the Liberal Party and their supporters just cannot grasp this intellectually.  And they all want it to continue.

Just this one issue illustrates the level of "don't care" the Liberal party has for Canadians.

[Michael Hardner]

46 minutes ago, Goddess said:

1. Immigration levels affect standard of living.

And Canada's standard of living has been dropping like a stone thrown in water.

1. 2. Across the board ?  Generally ?  Or lately ?  Because, you know we have had immigration since forever and maybe other factors should be looked at.  We're slowing immigration somewhat now - do you expect an improvement ?

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Short answer - high immigration, paired with the economic landscape of the last 20 years, have caused hardships for working Canadians, no doubt.  Also caused a lot of wealth for a certain strata.

But to blame immigration across the board as being a bad idea is pretty short-sighted.  

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

But to blame immigration across the board as being a bad idea is pretty short-sighted.  

If you read any of posts, you would know that is not my stand.

I have issues with most of the policies the Liberals have brought in.

This topic happens to be "immigration", so don't make out like I'm saying immigrations is the only problem I have.

You frequently accuse people of the opposite extreme.  In this case, I'm unhappy with the levels of immigration (and don't act like I'm the only one).  I have never once taken the position you suggest - that immigration in itself is a bad idea.

It irritates me that you leftists do this all the time.

[ExFlyer]

On 9/30/2025 at 10:41 PM, Politics1990 said:

just need to get tfw under control  for some places and the hatred will drop  like usual

So, who will work in the orchards? In the fields? In the barns? On farms? In the vineyards. In the greenhouses? In the hospitality industry? In healthcare/caregivers? Even in technology and engineering.

What is "under control" when we do not have people that can or want to work in those areas?

[I am Groot]

4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

So, who will work in the orchards? In the fields? In the barns? On farms? In the vineyards. In the greenhouses? In the hospitality industry? In healthcare/caregivers? Even in technology and engineering.

What is "under control" when we do not have people that can or want to work in those areas?

They will work in those areas when the wage rate rises.

I make an exception for agriculture, as long as they're temporary and go home in the winter.

[Goddess]

25 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

as long as they're temporary and go home in the winter.

And we know most of them don't go home.

Why should they?  We pay their rent, their food, their healthcare, X number of dollars for each kid they have......

[ExFlyer]

42 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

They will work in those areas when the wage rate rises.

I make an exception for agriculture, as long as they're temporary and go home in the winter.

I was responding to "just need to get tfw under control  for some places and the hatred will drop  like usual".

Why only agriculture??? If we are lacking workers in certain areas and no "Canadians" will work it.. why not those areas too?

Some temporary foreign workers are not just in the spring summer and fall. Some are needed all year round.

"Temporary foreign workers can generally stay in Canada for the duration authorized on their work permit,"

[ExFlyer]

21 minutes ago, Goddess said:

And we know most of them don't go home.

Why should they?  We pay their rent, their food, their healthcare, X number of dollars for each kid they have......

"In Canada, temporary foreign workers (TFWs) are responsible for their own basic living expenses, though specific programs and residency timelines provide access to certain government benefits and employer-provided supports.

 

 

Rent and Housing

• Responsibility: Most foreign workers must pay for their own rent.
• Employer Requirements: For low-wage or primary agriculture streams, employers must ensure "adequate, suitable, and affordable" housing is available.
• Deductions: Employers may deduct rent from a worker's pay, provided it is outlined in the signed employment agreement and meets provincial limits.
• Exceptions: In the Seasonal Agricultural Worker Program (SAWP), employers must provide housing at no cost, except in British Columbia where some deductions are permitted. 

 

Food and Groceries

• Responsibility: Workers typically pay for their own food using their wages.
• Grocery Rebate: Low-income foreign workers who file taxes may be eligible for one-time government "Grocery Rebates" or GST/HST credits to help offset rising food costs. 

 

Healthcare

• Public Coverage: TFWs have the right to free healthcare under provincial/territorial systems (e.g., OHIP in Ontario).
• Waiting Period: Public coverage often has a waiting period. Employers must buy and pay for private emergency health insurance for the worker until they are eligible for provincial coverage.
• Employer Costs: Employers are strictly prohibited from deducting these private health insurance costs from the worker's pay. 

 

Money for Children (Canada Child Benefit)

• Eligibility: Foreign workers can receive the Canada Child Benefit (CCB)—a tax-free monthly payment—only after living in Canada for 18 consecutive months.
• Requirements: To qualify in the 19th month, the worker must:
  • Have a valid permit.
  • Be a resident for tax purposes.
  • Live with the child (under 18) as the primary caregiver.
• Amounts: Payments are based on family income and the child's age, with maximums around $7,997 per year for children under 6

 

[Goddess]

They receive healthcare, life insurance, housing, transportation, child care costs and disability income 

Temporary foreign workers: Your rights are protected - Canada.ca

Even the government has expressed concern about the misuse of the system, by both employers and the TFWs themselves.

If you watched the committee meetings you would see that most of them don't go home, they claim asylum or refugee status and reap all the benefits.

Canada's new rules on Temporary Foreign Worker Program explained; its impact on employers & jobseekers - The Economic Times

The government has cited concerns over the misuse of the TFW Program to bypass hiring Canadian talent, especially in the low-wage stream.

 

 

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

1. If you read any of posts, you would know that is not my stand.

2. This topic happens to be "immigration", so don't make out like I'm saying immigrations is the only problem I have.

3.  I have never once taken the position you suggest - that immigration in itself is a bad idea.

4.  It irritates me that you leftists do this all the time.

1. Maybe I inferred wrongly from "Immigration levels affect standard of living" Apologies
2. Is it a problem ?  Do you think immigration is a bad idea generally ?  Again, I may have inferred improperly.
3. And this - ". Mass immigration will not slow down as long as the Libs are in power.   They're not going to change anything."  I guess you didn't say it's a bad thing but surely you can understand why I may have got there ?
4. Just because I make mistakes, doesn't mean I'm a leftist.

I let people off the hook all the time, myself.  Sorry that I mistook you for anti-immigration.

[Army Guy]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. 2. Across the board ?  Generally ?  Or lately ?  Because, you know we have had immigration since forever and maybe other factors should be looked at.  We're slowing immigration somewhat now - do you expect an improvement ?

 ---

Short answer - high immigration, paired with the economic landscape of the last 20 years, have caused hardships for working Canadians, no doubt.  Also caused a lot of wealth for a certain strata.

But to blame immigration across the board as being a bad idea is pretty short-sighted.  

I think one could say immigration is needed and for decades we had a very reasonable immigration policy....and if one traces the origins of our immigration woes, it starts in 2016 once liberals introduced new immigration numbers in an attempt to jump start our economy...and some of it has done that ...but as you explain to the determinate of working Canadians, but also the government did not have the insight to handle all the problems it creates such as  lack of investment into proper infra structure, lack of investment into upgraded services, and today we are where we are because of the lack of the government thinking the problem all the way though...

we know what needs to be done, and yet somehow we as a country decided to invest in other areas....like our military, foreign hand outs, making sure we look good, when we are bleeding a good portion of those immigrants to other countries because we can not control the other issues that are part of the issue....like health care, education ,housing, other services....the solution would be to return to those past immigration levels...that worked for decades, invest in our infra structure, and services,

or we can pretend mass immigration is not the problem along with all the other issues it has brought to the table.  and continue to increase this problem from massive to out of control which is where we are headed right now...

[I am Groot]

5 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

I was responding to "just need to get tfw under control  for some places and the hatred will drop  like usual".

Why only agriculture??? If we are lacking workers in certain areas and no "Canadians" will work it.. why not those areas too?

Some temporary foreign workers are not just in the spring summer and fall. Some are needed all year round.

"Temporary foreign workers can generally stay in Canada for the duration authorized on their work permit,"

Agriculture tends to be where there aren't a ton of people. And planting and harvesting is not something you pick up over a weekend. Your body isn't in shape because it's extremely physically demanding work. You can't tell someone who lost their job as a retail clerk or a barista to drive out into the country (presuming they have a car) and pick apples.

I'm not a farmer but I can't see how we need agricultural workers in the winter.

5 hours ago, Goddess said:

And we know most of them don't go home.

Why should they?  We pay their rent, their food, their healthcare, X number of dollars for each kid they have......

We fly agriculture workers in from Mexico for harvest and planting, and then fly them home again.

[ExFlyer]

14 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Agriculture tends to be where there aren't a ton of people. And planting and harvesting is not something you pick up over a weekend. Your body isn't in shape because it's extremely physically demanding work. You can't tell someone who lost their job as a retail clerk or a barista to drive out into the country (presuming they have a car) and pick apples.

I'm not a farmer but I can't see how we need agricultural workers in the winter.

We fly agriculture workers in from Mexico for harvest and planting, and then fly them home again.

Not all, or even most, TFW's work in agriculture.

"Key details regarding sectors for temporary foreign workers (TFWs) include:

• Agriculture: This sector is a primary employer, with TFWs accounting for roughly 17% to 18% of its workforce.
• Service and Hospitality: Over 10% of workers in accommodation and food services, as well as in administrative and support services, are foreign workers.
• Manufacturing and Trade: Significant numbers of TFWs work in food manufacturing, retail trade, and transportation and warehousing.
• Job Concentration: Three sectors—accommodation and food services, retail trade, and administrative/support/waste management—have accounted for over 40% of all TFWs in recent years. "

[ironstone]

Conservatives say there are around 700 IRGC members in Canada while the Liberals say it's 'only' 200. 

The most inept Public Safety Minister Gary Anandasangaree says they are working hard to deport those people...and that to date....a grand total of one has actually been removed.

Canada is screwed.

 

[I am Groot]

7 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Not all, or even most, TFW's work in agriculture.

"Key details regarding sectors for temporary foreign workers (TFWs) include:

• Agriculture: This sector is a primary employer, with TFWs accounting for roughly 17% to 18% of its workforce.
• Service and Hospitality: Over 10% of workers in accommodation and food services, as well as in administrative and support services, are foreign workers.
• Manufacturing and Trade: Significant numbers of TFWs work in food manufacturing, retail trade, and transportation and warehousing.
• Job Concentration: Three sectors—accommodation and food services, retail trade, and administrative/support/waste management—have accounted for over 40% of all TFWs in recent years. "

I'm aware. I only make an exception for agriculture. Personally, I think we should use prisoners for that. But I would not allow any in service/hospitality or any of the other jobs listed above.

[I am Groot]

Percentage of individuals suspected by the police of being involved in a crime, based on their migration background.

 

 

 

Edited March 12 by I am Groot

[Barquentine]

8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Percentage of individuals suspected by the police of being involved in a crime, based on their migration background.

"Suspected"? And of course there's no bias against brown-skinned people in Swedish police departments, is there?

Does this include 'white-collar crime'?

https://johnhoward.ca/blog/immigration-and-crime/ More immigration correlated with less crime

Jung cites several previous studies that found either no relationship between immigration and crime or, in some cases, a correlation between increased immigration numbers and lower crime rates, using a variety of measures of population and of crime.  Her study looks at 32 census metropolitan areas (cities) across Canada over 35 years.

[ExFlyer]

16 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I'm aware. I only make an exception for agriculture. Personally, I think we should use prisoners for that. But I would not allow any in service/hospitality or any of the other jobs listed above.

I kinda agree.

 I remember when Ontario tried to make people on welfare to work for their money, Workfare they called it, but the human rights people went so ballistic and got so upset that it was cancelled.

Go figure

[ExFlyer]

21 hours ago, ironstone said:

Conservatives say there are around 700 IRGC members in Canada while the Liberals say it's 'only' 200. 

The most inept Public Safety Minister Gary Anandasangaree says they are working hard to deport those people...and that to date....a grand total of one has actually been removed.

Canada is screwed.

 

And the conservatives got their numbers from where??? The IRGC meeting attendance records? 

Seems the conservatives can say anything they want without having to back up their accusations and claims. Their reputation for passing false information is gaining traction.

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

I kinda agree.

 I remember when Ontario tried to make people on welfare to work for their money, Workfare they called it, but the human rights people went so ballistic and got so upset that it was cancelled.

Go figure

Same thing in BC. Back in the 90s it was proposed that in order to collect welfare etc you should have to be working as a crop picker or the like, or other simple but hard to fill jobs, then you'd get pay and welfare.  The human rights folks had a melt down.