Postal workers back on strike over Canada Post changes, union says

[Moonbox]

Just now, herbie said:

So you seem to have decided.
So whadda think of small town garbagemen making $36/hr?

Are you comparing someone who works with garbage all day and operates heavy machinery to someone who drives a little van or walks around delivering mostly junk mail and flyers?  Really?  

[Nefarious Banana]

2 minutes ago, herbie said:

So you seem to have decided.
So whadda think of small town garbagemen making $36/hr?
Has it been that long since you were in the work force?

I just bought 10c candy bars on sale today for $2.69.

You could afford those candy bars with the $$ you saved on not buying gasoline.  Plug~in herbie.  Juice~up at Trutch Mt. . . . .

[herbie]

Yes.
You one of the old fashioned 'real men' who thinks it's not real work unless you get dirty?

The garbageman just turns the can so the truck picks it up and unhooks it when it's empty.
The forklift guy at the mill gets paid the same as the guy on the chain. As does the guy who holds the fire hose and watched the other work.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, herbie said:

Yes.
You one of the old fashioned 'real men' who thinks it's not real work unless you get dirty?

 

Or at least does work?

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The garbageman just turns the can so the truck picks it up and unhooks it when it's empty.

True. Tho arguably driving the truck requires some skill that's valuable. 

 

[Nefarious Banana]

9 minutes ago, herbie said:

You one of the old fashioned 'real men' who thinks it's not real work unless you get dirty?

The garbageman just turns the can so the truck picks it up and unhooks it when it's empty.
The forklift guy at the mill gets paid the same as the guy on the chain. As does the guy who holds the fire hose and watched the other work.

You sound like a 'union man' herbie . . . ?   Pulling square wood off the chain?  Lowest common denominator?

[Barquentine]

18 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So people need to be educated in high school how to prepare for the real world

True.

 

18 hours ago, CdnFox said:

right now the leftie teachers are focused on teaching them how  to protest

Give me break. Now you're just repeating Trump's talking points.

 

18 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I won't say that there are things we could do to improve our system in that regard but I will say it's not my problem to make good decisions for other people who are adults and capable of making their own decisions. I have enough on my plate with making sure that my situation is always good, without having to worry about making sure someone else is taking care of that I don't know

But you preach like you know how everyone should run their lives. If you have so much on your plate and don't want to worry about other people, why are you on here all the time doing just that?

PODSNAP!

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Give me break. Now you're just repeating Trump's talking points.

Hardly, this is been discussed in Canada before trump even showed up and it has been getting worse and worse in the commentary has shown that.

One of the biggest failures of the left in the states was to pretend that real problems didn't exist. The thing is you can sit there and pretend it's a trump talking point to your blue in the face, but the average person looks around them and knows you're lying. And then your credibility on literally everything is thrown into question.

It's not an opinion or a thought or a talking point, this is a real problem and it has been well documented

4 hours ago, Barquentine said:

But you preach like you know how everyone should run their lives.

The fundamentals aren't that complicated. They're easy to teach and I do know them. Now if they want to know what they should have for supper that's a different story but the fundamentals how to run your life are not complicated and not secret. You just have to be taught

4 hours ago, Barquentine said:

If you have so much on your plate and don't want to worry about other people, why are you on here all the time doing just that?

Mostly for the comic relief. Half the posters here are nothing but hilarious. I mean you don't think i take people like Chrissy or Robosmith or Exflyer seriously do you   And watching some of the others desperately flail and fumble to defend positions they just didn't think through is like watching a cat chase a laser pointer  . 

And some of the others have interesting things to share, or know about events i hadn't heard of and are interesting. Even you and people like beaver occasionally make interesting points or at least force me to organize my thoughts on a matter in order to explain them, when you're not foaming at the mouth in some left wing Frenzy   And that's a good mental exercise. 

This isn't work, this is mild entertainment.   Thanks for your contributions   

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PODSNAP!

Yikes!!!  Well, i'm sorry to hear that,  sounds like you better get a doctor to look at your 'pod' as soon as possible then. 

[Gaétan]

Postal workers should not have to pay for the mismanagement of their corrupt leadership. It was intentional on the part of the administrators that Canada Post lost market share to other companies. The police must investigate, and the government must fire—and the police must imprison—their friends whom they appointed to these positions. We must not only look at the deficit; we must also consider that Canada Post generates economic activity, which means the state recoups, one way or another, the subsidy it receives.

[CdnFox]

13 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Postal workers should not have to pay for the mismanagement of their corrupt leadership.

But they do, that's the way it is with ALL employees. That's the nature of business.  If you want to have more control over such things you néed to start your own business. 

 

[cougar]

On 9/25/2025 at 3:13 PM, ExFlyer said:

Demand more and more from a failing company instead of helping keep it in business.

So, go on strike....and watch your jobs disappear.

The public has no sympathy for the union members, let alone the Post Office.

They showed a CP revenue chart for the past 10 or so years on CBC.  The corporation had surpluses for all prior years till 2017.  Then it went into the negative and continued delving down big time.

So they should have figured out what happened between 2017 and 2018 and addressed it back then!

Now with every strike they lose a chunk of what remained of their business!  I no longer receive bills in the mail  - all vendors switched to email !  All of them are asking us to switch to electronic payments and this is what is currently happening.  And when this happens the vendors will close the PO boxes they currently have at the main station!  It was easy to move 1000 letters/week from the red mailbox outside to the PO boxes inside (as most of these were local) and make the $1,000 for an hour of work.  It will be all gone now.

But then who is not on strike these days?

Air Canada, the Firefighters, the medical workers, even the Liquor delivery workers went on strike and all my alcohol discounts disappeared !!!  I have to now pay 100% of the original price of wine and beer!!! A disaster!  Now I will be striking soon!

Edited October 6, 2025 by cougar

[Barquentine]

On 10/4/2025 at 2:54 PM, CdnFox said:

This isn't work, this is mild entertainment.   Thanks for your contributions

So you don't have much going on, just a lot of free time. You could take up the banjo, or crochet...

[CdnFox]

25 minutes ago, cougar said:

They showed a CP revenue chart for the past 10 or so years on CBC.  The corporation had surpluses for all prior years till 2017.  Then it went into the negative and continued delving down big time.

So they should have figured out what happened between 2017 and 2018 and addressed it back then!

Now with every strike they lose a chunk of what remained of their business!  I no longer receive bills in the mail  - all vendors switched to email !  All of them are asking us to switch to electronic payments and this is what is currently happening.  And when this happens the vendors will close the PO boxes they currently have at the main station!  It was easy to move 1000 letters/week from the red mailbox outside to the PO boxes inside (as most of these were local) and make the $1,000 for an hour of work.  It will be all gone now.

But then who is not on strike these days?

Air Canada, the Firefighters, the medical workers, even the Liquor delivery workers went on strike and all my alcohol discounts disappeared !!!  I have to now pay 100% of the original price of wine and beer!!! A disaster!  Now I will be striking soon!

Well the did try.  And the writing was on the wall going back to harper's day, when canada post said they needed chanes or they were going to get clobbered. 

The problem is that the amount of mail is sharply decreasing, but the INFRASTRUCTURE (ie posties) needed to deliver it has not.  So you've still got a guy going around and he's still getting paid just as much but there's half the mail and half the revenues. 

They started to move to community mailboxes back then, and it helped a lot but justin trudeau stopped that and they never completed it so their costs remained high. 

In addition courier companies and package delivery suddenly got much cheaper. It used to be canada post was the cheapest game in town but now it's cheaper to ship packages by other companies especially for high volume users.  So package delivery is down. 

The simple fact is people don't need mail as much. My bills come electronically. Most of them are paid for on my credit card or are automatically withdrawn from my bank so I don't need to write checks and mail them. If people want to send each other a letter they do it by email. The last male strike my company which sends out about 3,000 cheques per month to vendors has set up direct deposit and we'll be moving our contractors over to that. 

So now they have to finish doing the community mailboxes, and home delivery, and they really have to reduce the number of days per week that mail gets delivered. If people are sending half the mail they used to then if Canada Post is delivering on half as many days the posties are still working as hard as they should be but you need a hell of a lot less of them and that saves money.

The union is angry about all of this but Nothing is going to change the fact that people just don't use mail and paying for somebody to walk around every day and put something in a mailbox when there really is no mail is never going to be affordable

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Barquentine said:

So you don't have much going on, just a lot of free time. You could take up the banjo, or crochet...

The fact that you think that the banjo or crochet would be more appropriate pastimes for a male speaks volumes   

But in fact it would be more accurate to say that while I'm doing some of the things I need to do I very frequently have short periods where either I can do this as well or I can do this while I'm waiting for something to happen or finish. Using voice dictation I don't even have to be looking at the phone or the computer. These posts usually take about 15 to 20 seconds or less, even the longer ones.

And certainly replying to most of the comments here such as yours doesn't take but a moments of thought   If you ever step up your game significantly I'll probably have to post less if I have to take the time to actually put serious thought into something

[cougar]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So now they have to finish doing the community mailboxes, and home delivery, and they really have to reduce the number of days per week that mail gets delivered. If people are sending half the mail they used to then if Canada Post is delivering on half as many days the posties are still working as hard as they should be but you need a hell of a lot less of them and that saves money.

We can only speculate on what the issues are. Is it the dropping mail volumes, is it the 40% increase in fuel prices, is it the executive's salaries and bonuses , is it something else?

Labor can be adjusted to an extent by not replacing retired employees or those that quit.  Then there are those that can be fired for a cause.

As I said, mail volumes are dropping with every new strike action.  I prefer getting invoices and bank statements in the mail, but if this is not happening, I have to go to electronic options and there is no turning back after it is done.

 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, cougar said:

They showed a CP revenue chart for the past 10 or so years on CBC.  The corporation had surpluses for all prior years till 2017.  Then it went into the negative and continued delving down big time.

So they should have figured out what happened between 2017 and 2018 and addressed it back then!

Now with every strike they lose a chunk of what remained of their business!  I no longer receive bills in the mail  - all vendors switched to email !  All of them are asking us to switch to electronic payments and this is what is currently happening.  And when this happens the vendors will close the PO boxes they currently have at the main station!  It was easy to move 1000 letters/week from the red mailbox outside to the PO boxes inside (as most of these were local) and make the $1,000 for an hour of work.  It will be all gone now.

But then who is not on strike these days?

Air Canada, the Firefighters, the medical workers, even the Liquor delivery workers went on strike and all my alcohol discounts disappeared !!!  I have to now pay 100% of the original price of wine and beer!!! A disaster!  Now I will be striking soon!

I was watching the news and they said that Canada Post was not allowed to make changes by government laws. They had to provide services regardless of the changing economic times.   

"As a federal Crown corporation, Canada Post has historically had limitations on its ability to change services due to its mandate under the Canada Post Corporation Act. These regulations and policies, many of which were outdated, restricted its ability to adapt to modern realities, resulting in significant financial challenges"

 

The union is very aware of the economic position the Post Office is in. The government is now making changes to enable the Post Office to to restructure but that will have severe consequences and that, of course pi$$es the union off. As I said, and you confirmed, he public has no sympathy for the postal workers and will not shed a tear if they lose positions and work. The union has to do a lot to save what they can and stop demanding.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Barquentine said:

So you don't have much going on, just a lot of free time. You could take up the banjo, or crochet...

Oh dear. Now you've upset poor @ExFlyer  LOLOLOL he's back to his neurotic down arrows  

[eyeball]

On 10/4/2025 at 10:54 AM, CdnFox said:

Half the posters here are nothing but hilarious. I mean you don't think i take people like Chrissy or Robosmith or Exflyer seriously do you

The issue is how seriously you take yourself, there's no excuse or justification for it.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, cougar said:

We can only speculate on what the issues are. Is it the dropping mail volumes, is it the 40% increase in fuel prices, is it the executive's salaries and bonuses , is it something else?

 

well it's not so much speculation, they have come right out and said what the specific issues that are killing them are. It's always possible that they're not being fully truthful of course but if we take them at their word the biggest problem is significantly decreasing revenues but costs remain about the same as they were when volumes were higher, along with loss of revenue from parcels.

They made a number of applications to the government based specifically on this. I'm sure there are other factors which add to it but those seem to be the biggest problems and you can't overcome them with just adding another few cents to the price of a stamp

1 hour ago, cougar said:

Labor can be adjusted to an extent by not replacing retired employees or those that quit.  Then there are those that can be fired for a cause.

Canada post has said that it would like to achieve the vast majority of this through attrition. They're not committing to the idea that 100% will be attrition but they advise that that is what they intend. These changes will take place over a number of years.

1 hour ago, cougar said:

As I said, mail volumes are dropping with every new strike action.

For sure. And to be honest they're kind of dropping anyway. Like I said, last year if I wanted to pay a trades person I had to write a check, this year I can automatically deposit into their bank account even though they're a business so we'll be moving to that model and that's thousands of pieces of mail just from my company alone that will no longer be handled by Canada Post.

Physical mail is kind of a dying thing and the post office is going to have to adapt or eventually shrink their services to the point where they shut down. But we cannot be giving them billion dollar checks from the government every year, if they cannot afford to stay afloat then they need to shut down or privatize

[herbie]

I will be driving a 400km round trip later this week to pick up a parcel I ordered the day before they struck.
Took all this time to find a courier that would come close to my area. Seems due to the extra volume they're handling they're getting picky and deciding to concentrate on the easiest and most cost effective deliveries.

That's what you'll get if they privatize mail.
Delude yourselves that it would work out otherwise.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

I will be driving a 400km round trip later this week to pick up a parcel I ordered the day before they struck.
Took all this time to find a courier that would come close to my area. Seems due to the extra volume they're handling they're getting picky and deciding to concentrate on the easiest and most cost effective deliveries.

That's what you'll get if they privatize mail.
Delude yourselves that it would work out otherwise.

Sounds great! I mean nobody cares about you anyway and it sounds like someone will have an opportunity to extend their private parcel delivery out your way. 
Cost won't be an object, you tripled the value of your home with your credit card, remember?  LOL 

[herbie]

You compulsiveness to immediately reply with something stupid to every post defines you. It's not to do with someone who cares about me, it's regarding people stupid as you that can't see a warning sign even if it's pointed out to them.
Keep walking toward the cliff, Mr Magoo.

[CdnFox]

28 minutes ago, herbie said:

You compulsiveness to immediately reply with something stupid to every post defines you.

LOL well that's what a leftist twat would say   And I think you've got the market largely cornered on stupid  

No matter what it is you always come up with these stupid little stories about how "I had to drive 1400 km uphill both ways in the snow without any boots on and my radio stuck on the all Village People station just to pick up a package of muffins"

Nobody's buying it. If you don't like where you live move. If you do shut up and live with the inconvenience. And I'm not paying tax money for you to get your parcels faster. So either gut Canada Post or privatize it

[cannuck]

On 9/25/2025 at 4:22 PM, CdnFox said:

After the last go around I started moving all of our contractors and workers over to online banking so that cheques wouldn't be a problem, we already get all invoices by email, and we're taking other steps to get rid of the need for canada post. 

They're just making things worse. 

I have one customer and one supplier (strangely for the same product and service) that are still on paper.  Just getting my bank to increase my e-transfer limit enough to handle the buy side.  Will take 2 xfrs from sell side, but they are an extremely supportive client and will accommodate.

CP's strike now flashes me back about 30 years to doing a job near Decatur IL.  I was watching my equipment run overnight and was accompanied by the GC's guy who was the shop steward and a genuine pleasure to work with.  He was bragging to me how they were going to show the Quebec company that was the last major printing business in the region "who was boss" in their contract negotiations.  When he said they wouldn't back down as company was threatening to pull out I asked him where his son (who worked there) was going to find a job if they shut down.  Had to point out the area was once one of the largest concentrations of printing companies in the USA.  He said it would never happen.  I saw in the Canadian news soon after I was back home that they closed the doors and went back to QC.

I also think back just a year or so when most of our Amazon purchases were picked up at the nearby post office weeks after they were ordered.  Today they all arrive usually overnight at the front door - for free.   Our youngest kids live in Edmonton and they seldom have to suffer the inconvenience of waiting a whole day.

What makes people so incredibly blind they can't see that the world doesn't owe them a living??

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, cannuck said:

I have one customer and one supplier (strangely for the same product and service) that are still on paper.  Just getting my bank to increase my e-transfer limit enough to handle the buy side.  Will take 2 xfrs from sell side, but they are an extremely supportive client and will accommodate.

CP's strike now flashes me back about 30 years to doing a job near Decatur IL.  I was watching my equipment run overnight and was accompanied by the GC's guy who was the shop steward and a genuine pleasure to work with.  He was bragging to me how they were going to show the Quebec company that was the last major printing business in the region "who was boss" in their contract negotiations.  When he said they wouldn't back down as company was threatening to pull out I asked him where his son (who worked there) was going to find a job if they shut down.  Had to point out the area was once one of the largest concentrations of printing companies in the USA.  He said it would never happen.  I saw in the Canadian news soon after I was back home that they closed the doors and went back to QC.

I also think back just a year or so when most of our Amazon purchases were picked up at the nearby post office weeks after they were ordered.  Today they all arrive usually overnight at the front door - for free.   Our youngest kids live in Edmonton and they seldom have to suffer the inconvenience of waiting a whole day.

What makes people so incredibly blind they can't see that the world doesn't owe them a living??

. Times change and either we change with them or we fall behind. I live in the middle of the woods, this isn't even a town or a village, and I get next day service from Amazon. I don't even get mail delivery I have to drive 5 minutes down the road to get it but somehow Amazon can drop a $7 item at my door and smile while they do it.

Maybe we should be having Amazon do the mail  

But yeah, these guys are going to put themselves right out of a job.

[Barquentine]

On 10/6/2025 at 2:24 PM, CdnFox said:

The fact that you think that the banjo or crochet would be more appropriate pastimes for a male speaks volumes

WTF are you talking about?