What The Liberals Did To Canada

[LinkSoul60]

On 3/13/2026 at 11:48 AM, Legato said:

Not Really...there is a larger picture.

Recalls and penalties stemming from government-mandated fuel economy and emissions standards have cost automakers billions of dollars, often driven by the need to squeeze higher efficiency out of internal combustion engines or by overstating fuel economy to meet targets. 

The larger picture are governments environmental stewardship which is at the core of why there are fuel and emission standards, and that is not going to change.  The US rescinding previous administration standards will change again when the next administration is in place, and I'll bet my last nickel it won't follow the backwards path of that this admin chose. In the meanwhile there is no way manufacturers will be changing spec's to provide a more robust vehicle that burns more gas....won't happen.

 

[Reg Volk]

The new Mark Carney drinking game!!  Drink along to his uh's and ummms and other stupid mannerisms!!

 

Edited March 14 by Reg Volk

[ironstone]

More open calls for jihad on Canadian streets.

How can anyone defend having these people in Canada?

 

[LinkSoul60]

22 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Actually many argue that less fuel efficient vehicles force people to drive last due to the cost of fuel.  So that's not obviously true the way you claim it is. If I can drive farther on a tank of gas chances are I'll drive farther and burn the same amount of gas

But I'm sure you're right, so let's see the evidence.

Yes, I'm sure that less efficient fuel milage and the high cost of gas make people drive less.  Can't pull one over on you...

You clearly have trouble finding information.  Try this for starters, but of you need more info, google it yourself;

North American governments impose vehicle mileage requirements—known as Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards—primarily to reduce oil consumption, curb greenhouse gas emissions, and lower fuel costs for consumers. These regulations encourage technological innovation, reduce reliance on foreign oil, and help achieve environmental goals by forcing automakers to increase fleet efficiency.

 

22 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Here we are again with you making statements that you want everyone to accept us being gospel even though they don't actually necessarily make sense logically and you've got absolutely nothing to support your position

I mean you must have something. Doesn't even have to necessarily be a scientific paper but you have to have something that at least we can talk about that supports your claim right?

Or are you just making this up on the fly entirely as usual?

Try reading.... it really does help, but only if you're able to comprehend.  Try anyway....

[Legato]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

The larger picture are governments environmental stewardship which is at the core of why there are fuel and emission standards, and that is not going to change.  The US rescinding previous administration standards will change again when the next administration is in place, and I'll bet my last nickel it won't follow the backwards path of that this admin chose. In the meanwhile there is no way manufacturers will be changing spec's to provide a more robust vehicle that burns more gas....won't happen.

 

A 50 Billion write down over EV mandates impose by the previous administration passed on to the consumer.

30 Billion in recalls due to hastily applied emission's standard, passed on to the consumer.

There goes yours and everyone else's last nickel.

Wonder what all that cost the environment.

[LinkSoul60]

20 minutes ago, Legato said:

A 50 Billion write down over EV mandates impose by the previous administration passed on to the consumer.

30 Billion in recalls due to hastily applied emission's standard, passed on to the consumer.

There goes yours and everyone else's last nickel.

Wonder what all that cost the environment.

Don't forget 18B in tariff costs that are passed on to the consumer.

No, I'll have lots of nickels regardless of what this or future governments do with mileage requirements

Not sure what it cost the environment, but fortunately and notwithstanding the current inept US administration, governments that will hopefully always be stewards of the environment.

Edited March 14 by LinkSoul60

[Legato]

15 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Don't forget 18B in tariff costs that are passed on to the consumer.

No, I'll have lots of nickels regardless of what this or future governments do with mileage requirements

Not sure what it cost the environment, but fortunately and notwithstanding the current inept US administration, governments that will hopefully always be stewards of the environment.

Tariffs that Biden applied?

The wasted/costs along with the impact on the environment are a direct result of the mandates by your so called stewards. Those people couldn't steward a pi*ss-up at a brewery.

[Reg Volk]

 

[LinkSoul60]

20 minutes ago, Legato said:

Tariffs that Biden applied?

The wasted/costs along with the impact on the environment are a direct result of the mandates by your so called stewards. Those people couldn't steward a pi*ss-up at a brewery.

No, the tariffs your orange idol Trump applied.  

The US started regulations in the mid-70's mainly because of the oil crisis and mandated in 1978.  Canada had a voluntary from 1980 to 2006, then to a mandatory phase from 2007 to 2010, and finally the 'Passenger Automobile and Light Truck Greenhouse Gas Emission Regulations' that aligned with US standards in 2010. 

I forget which government we had between the years of 2007 and 2010.  Do you remember?  Regardless of who it was, it's clear you have the opinion they were some kind of fùcked up stewards....

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Yes EV sales have declined as a percentage of vehicles sold, but still account for ~2M units annually in NA.  Whether your head can get around it or not EV's will also dominate NA vehicle sales at some point in the not too distant future.  

 

Major vehicle manufacturers have significantly scaled back, delayed, or abandoned30several electric vehicle (EV) projects, largely due to slower-than-expected consumer demand, high production costs, and shifting market conditions. While not a complete abandonment of all electric efforts, the industry is shifting toward hybrids and more flexible, cost-effective strategies in response to a "cooling" market

Vehicle makers abandoned eVS due to lack of interest - Google Search

Carmakers Took a $50 Billion Loss on EVs

All The Automakers That Have Backpedaled Or Pushed Back EV Production  "Sorry, We Were Wrong"

 

Also I hear there's a new law coming down the pipe in BC that will forbid parking of EVS in underground park AIDS. If they catch on fire it's too hard to put them out in the smoke is supremely toxic

They're already not letting them on BC fairies if they need repairs

BC Ferries Prohibiting Damaged Electric Vehicles From Boarding

EV's will likely be in decline.  They are not the future. The tech just isn't there.  Hybrids will likely be the most common 'bridge' technology till efficient EV technology comes about. 

 

[Reg Volk]

[Reg Volk]

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Major vehicle manufacturers have significantly scaled back, delayed, or abandoned30several electric vehicle (EV) projects, largely due to slower-than-expected consumer demand, high production costs, and shifting market conditions. While not a complete abandonment of all electric efforts, the industry is shifting toward hybrids and more flexible, cost-effective strategies in response to a "cooling" market

Vehicle makers abandoned eVS due to lack of interest - Google Search

Carmakers Took a $50 Billion Loss on EVs

All The Automakers That Have Backpedaled Or Pushed Back EV Production  "Sorry, We Were Wrong"

 

Also I hear there's a new law coming down the pipe in BC that will forbid parking of EVS in underground park AIDS. If they catch on fire it's too hard to put them out in the smoke is supremely toxic

They're already not letting them on BC fairies if they need repairs

BC Ferries Prohibiting Damaged Electric Vehicles From Boarding

EV's will likely be in decline.  They are not the future. The tech just isn't there.  Hybrids will likely be the most common 'bridge' technology till efficient EV technology comes about. 

 

I have a buddy who is driving a Tesla right now, lent to him from a friend who is traveling abroad for six months.  He freaking HATES it.  He said that most people pumping EV's are blatantly lying about basically everything.  He has constant range anxiety, and thinks he will have to replace the tires soon as the tire wear is unbelievable.  He says this "fast charging" stuff is nonsense too - sometimes he's waiting at chargers for an hour as it takes time for the charger  to warm up. He's says he regrets accepting "the gift" from his buddy and now is just parking it until he gets back.

Edited March 14 by Reg Volk

[LinkSoul60]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Major vehicle manufacturers have significantly scaled back, delayed, or abandoned30several electric vehicle (EV) projects, largely due to slower-than-expected consumer demand, high production costs, and shifting market conditions. While not a complete abandonment of all electric efforts, the industry is shifting toward hybrids and more flexible, cost-effective strategies in response to a "cooling" market

Vehicle makers abandoned eVS due to lack of interest - Google Search

Carmakers Took a $50 Billion Loss on EVs

All The Automakers That Have Backpedaled Or Pushed Back EV Production  "Sorry, We Were Wrong"

 

Also I hear there's a new law coming down the pipe in BC that will forbid parking of EVS in underground park AIDS. If they catch on fire it's too hard to put them out in the smoke is supremely toxic

They're already not letting them on BC fairies if they need repairs

BC Ferries Prohibiting Damaged Electric Vehicles From Boarding

EV's will likely be in decline.  They are not the future. The tech just isn't there.  Hybrids will likely be the most common 'bridge' technology till efficient EV technology comes about. 

 

Yes, I'm aware of all that which is what was said earlier.

Sorry to disagree with your usual uneducated comments but....

EV's will be the future.  The tech is already there and will continue to evolve.  Hybrids are that bridge today.

I gather you still drive a 78 Ford F150...

[LinkSoul60]

6 minutes ago, Reg Volk said:

I have a buddy who is driving a Tesla right now, lent to him from a friend who is traveling abroad for six months.  He freaking HATES it.  He said that most people pumping EV's are blatantly lying about basically everything.  He has constant range anxiety, and thinks he will have to replace the tires soon as the tire wear is unbelievable.  He says this "fast charging" stuff is nonsense too - sometimes he's waiting at chargers for an hour as it takes time for the charger  to warm up. He's says he regrets accepting "the gift" from his buddy and now is just parking it until he gets back.

It appears your buddy is in the real small percentage that don't like their EV....

The vast majority of Canadian EV owners love their vehicles, with 97% stating they will purchase another one in the future. Owners report high satisfaction with driving performance, lower operating costs, and convenience, despite concerns regarding public charging infrastructure, winter performance, and high upfront prices. 

CAA National +2

Key Findings on Canadian EV Ownership:

• High Satisfaction: Approximately 89% of Canadian EV drivers enjoy driving their electric cars more than previous gas vehicles, and 95% believe they are more affordable in the long run.
• Adoption Rates: While overall interest has softened somewhat from 2022 peaks, roughly 12% of Canadians now own an EV, and interest remains, especially with younger consumers and those considering more affordable options.
• Charging Concerns: The biggest barrier for potential buyers is the "sticker price" or higher upfront cost, followed by limited charging infrastructure.
• Regional Differences: Interest is strong in provinces with higher rebates, but concerns remain high about driving range and battery performance in cold weather.
• Market Shifts: Consumers are looking beyond Tesla to traditional brands like Hyundai, Kia, and Ford, and there is growing openness to lower-cost Chinese EVs.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Yes, I'm sure that less efficient fuel milage and the high cost of gas make people drive less.

So in other words you admit you were wrong

Well there you go. That's what happens when you don't actually look up the science

 

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North American governments impose vehicle mileage requirements—known as Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards—primarily to reduce oil consumption, curb greenhouse gas emissions, and lower fuel costs for consumers. These regulations encourage technological innovation, reduce reliance on foreign oil, and help achieve environmental goals by forcing automakers to increase fleet efficiency.

 

That's literally just propaganda. There's no science attached to that at all

I'm beginning to realize that the problem here is you don't actually know what science looks like. You think everything you read that you agree with is science. That's not how it works

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Try reading.... it really does help, but only if you're able to comprehend.  Try anyway....

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! holy shit kid  if you project any harder you'll need to pay the cinema unions  

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Yes, I'm aware of all that which is what was said earlier.

So your claim is that you were deliberately lying rather than just uneducated?

Odd flex but fair enough

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Sorry to disagree with your usual uneducated comments but....

That's actually AI generated synopsis of the opinions of most in the auto industry and auto manufacturers. It's not my opinion at all

Once again you're giving absolute facts from absolute authorities who site specific information and records which are easily verifiable but because it doesn't conform with what you want the world to look like you poop your pants and start crying.

You these will not be the way of the future, at least not the version that we have available today. The technology isn't there.

I do believe that someday we will come across some technology that will allow us to move completely away from petroleum based fuels and even hydrocarbons. But that day is not today. The best we can probably do for wide scale adoption is hybrids

[Reg Volk]

 

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, Reg Volk said:

I have a buddy who is driving a Tesla right now, lent to him from a friend who is traveling abroad for six months.  He freaking HATES it.  He said that most people pumping EV's are blatantly lying about basically everything.  He has constant range anxiety, and thinks he will have to replace the tires soon as the tire wear is unbelievable.  He says this "fast charging" stuff is nonsense too - sometimes he's waiting at chargers for an hour as it takes time for the charger  to warm up. He's says he regrets accepting "the gift" from his buddy and now is just parking it until he gets back.

Yeah. I work with buildings and I see this every day, somebody goes out and buys an EV and then realizes that for whatever reason they're building will not allow them to charge it on site or install a fast charger, and now they're stuck sitting there with their kids for 45 minutes a day a fast charger off site and they're furious

There is a niche market that really enjoys and benefits from this kind of vehicle, but it is in no way shape or form even close to half of the vehicle drivers. And a lot of people that have one are actually two car households where the second car is a nice vehicle just in case the battery vehicle is not Appropriate that day.

The technology just isn't there. And the fire risk is outrageous. Not that they catch on fire anymore often than any other vehicle but if another vehicle catches on fire and it spreads to the EV the results are disastrous. The local fire marshals tell me that the one hour rated firewall in townhomes in the garage will burn through in less than 15 minutes from an AV fire and the smoke is insanely toxic.

We're on the right track but we ain't there yet

[LinkSoul60]

Just now, CdnFox said:

So in other words you admit you were wrong

Well there you go. That's what happens when you don't actually look up the science

 

 

 

That's literally just propaganda. There's no science attached to that at all

I'm beginning to realize that the problem here is you don't actually know what science looks like. You think everything you read that you agree with is science. That's not how it works

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! holy shit kid  if you project any harder you'll need to pay the cinema unions  

Fùck are you stunned! 😂   I have no idea how old you are and don't really care but if you're anything older than 12 I'm amazed you've survived this long...   It's always bullshìt and propaganda if it doesn't fit your abstract view of the world. What a jackass... 😂

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Don't forget 18B in tariff costs that are passed on to the consumer.

That would be the American Consumer not us

1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Fùck are you stunned! 😂   

You're poor English skills and inability to comprehend what you're saying is not a reflection on my intelligence kiddo  

 

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I have no idea how old you are and don't really care but if you're anything older than 12 I'm amazed you've survived this long...   It's always bullshìt and propaganda if it doesn't fit your abstract view of the world. What a jackass... 😂

Yes yes, go ask your mother to change your diapers for you if you're going to cry that much. 

 kid it is not my fault that you have no facts, you don't understand how logic or debate works, or that you wind up making yourself look stupid by your own comments. That's on you.

[LinkSoul60]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So your claim is that you were deliberately lying rather than just uneducated?

Odd flex but fair enough

That's actually AI generated synopsis of the opinions of most in the auto industry and auto manufacturers. It's not my opinion at all

Once again you're giving absolute facts from absolute authorities who site specific information and records which are easily verifiable but because it doesn't conform with what you want the world to look like you poop your pants and start crying.

You these will not be the way of the future, at least not the version that we have available today. The technology isn't there.

I do believe that someday we will come across some technology that will allow us to move completely away from petroleum based fuels and even hydrocarbons. But that day is not today. The best we can probably do for wide scale adoption is hybrids

Yeah, only ~2M sell annually in NA, 11M in China and over 1M in Europe....   Obviously no tech in those vehicles.

I understand your rightwing schtick, but try not to be so fùcking stupid with every comment you make....

[LinkSoul60]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That would be the American Consumer not us

If you weren't compelled to jump into every conversation and/or took the time to think before you type you'd realize the comments were costs incurred by auto manufacturers.

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You're poor English skills and inability to comprehend what you're saying is not a reflection on my intelligence kiddo  

It's spot on though isn't it....  

 

[Army Guy]

4 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Yes EV sales have declined as a percentage of vehicles sold, but still account for ~2M units annually in NA.  Whether your head can get around it or not EV's will also dominate NA vehicle sales at some point in the not too distant future.  Bet on it when Trump is gone that the next administration rescinds his archaic 1960's views of fossil fuels.  

Maybe Volkswagen and Stellantis should have talked to you before they invested capital into these projects.... not sure what they were thinking.

 

 

 

Both of these companies don't need me to tell them anything in 2025 stellantis records a whooping 27 bil in losses in EV investments and sales.....and Volkswagen is doing as bad, in fact they are slowing down on EV production and concentrating on hybrids....Does not sound like they need any advice the writing is on the wall for now....

https://www.reuters.com/business/automaker-stellantis-books-222-bln-euro-writedowns-h2-2025-ev-pullback-2026-02-06/

 

he group warned last September of a bumper 5.1 billion-euro hit for the year after Porsche cut its medium-term profit target and said it would carry on selling petrol vehicles for longer than previously planned in the face of tepid demand for its EVs.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/article/volkswagen-says-to-cut-50000-jobs-as-profit-slides/

volkswagen Canada is navigating a volatile electric vehicle (EV) market by focusing on the ID.4 SUV and the upcoming ID.Buzz, while developing a massive $7-billion battery plant in St. Thomas, Ontario, set for 2027. Despite a 50% drop in ID.4 sales in early 2025, VW is focusing on long-term growth and adapting to shifting federal mandates. 

AutoTrader.ca +3

https://www.autonews.com/volkswagen/anc-volkswagen-edgar-estrada-canada-growth-1015/

[LinkSoul60]

51 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

 

 

Both of these companies don't need me to tell them anything in 2025 stellantis records a whooping 27 bil in losses in EV investments and sales.....and Volkswagen is doing as bad, in fact they are slowing down on EV production and concentrating on hybrids....Does not sound like they need any advice the writing is on the wall for now....

https://www.reuters.com/business/automaker-stellantis-books-222-bln-euro-writedowns-h2-2025-ev-pullback-2026-02-06/

 

he group warned last September of a bumper 5.1 billion-euro hit for the year after Porsche cut its medium-term profit target and said it would carry on selling petrol vehicles for longer than previously planned in the face of tepid demand for its EVs.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/article/volkswagen-says-to-cut-50000-jobs-as-profit-slides/

volkswagen Canada is navigating a volatile electric vehicle (EV) market by focusing on the ID.4 SUV and the upcoming ID.Buzz, while developing a massive $7-billion battery plant in St. Thomas, Ontario, set for 2027. Despite a 50% drop in ID.4 sales in early 2025, VW is focusing on long-term growth and adapting to shifting federal mandates. 

AutoTrader.ca +3

https://www.autonews.com/volkswagen/anc-volkswagen-edgar-estrada-canada-growth-1015/

So, now what is your point....EV sales have slowed.  Okay, I get that.  

The fact remains we'll have 2 EV battery plants up and running that will be employing people.  This is a problem....why?

[Legato]

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

No, the tariffs your orange idol Trump applied.  

The US started regulations in the mid-70's mainly because of the oil crisis and mandated in 1978.  Canada had a voluntary from 1980 to 2006, then to a mandatory phase from 2007 to 2010, and finally the 'Passenger Automobile and Light Truck Greenhouse Gas Emission Regulations' that aligned with US standards in 2010. 

I forget which government we had between the years of 2007 and 2010.  Do you remember?  Regardless of who it was, it's clear you have the opinion they were some kind of fùcked up stewards....

Hayzeus man stay on track you shift the goalposts so many time time we are now playing 3 time zones away.

I am talking about costs of the Biden government mandates on emissions which have resulted in billions in unnecessary costs.

Than you blabbed something about tariffs. More clueless babble.