What The Liberals Did To Canada

[LinkSoul60]

22 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Nope.

Sure, there has always been the odd floor crosser here and there on both sides, but it's never been weaponized against citizens to this degree or mattered as much as it does now.

This is one of the problems I've noticed with the Liberal party for a long time.  They take basically "gentlemen's agreements" that have been respected in Canada for a century and abuse them to the point that now we have to make a rule.

lol....  sure you wouldn't 😂

How is it weaponized....because Poilievre said so?  Or is it because Davies now said so despite saying a couple weeks ago it was because MP's were disenchanted with Poilievres lack of leadership?  Everyone makes their own choices and clearly those who crossed the aisle believe they found a better party and Leader who will better benefit their constituents.

Of course you'd say we now have to make a rule...  and I'd bet my last nickel you wouldn't be saying that if they crossed to the Conservative side.  Not going out on a limb thinking you're a cry hard conservative and probably have been forever.  Did you say the same for rules changes when David Emerson crossed the aisle to join Harper's cabinet?

People are going to do what they think is best for them.  If they made a mistake in their choice then their constituents will let them know that in the next election, should they choose to run.

[Goddess]

9 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

It doesn't matter what Poilievre thinks.  He's irrelevant today and soon to be even more irrelevant.  And in the not too distant future.... totally irrelevant and out of politics.  

Wow, that's a burning hate you got going on there!  🚒

You know, I get it, I'm not a fan of Carney.

But what I do is state my issue with him and then a link to a news article that confirms my claim.

Maybe try that.

[ExFlyer]

31 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Maybe.

Not working out too well for the UK, though.

You'll be safe.  For now.  You're a Liberal cuck.

Better hope the Conservatives never get in, though.

Aha!!! A big maybe from you...so you know it all BS LOL

I have no idea what you are talking about and suspect strongly suspect you do not either.

Seems you have babbled yourself into a corner. LOL

 

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

lol....  sure you wouldn't 😂

It's as true as you ever voting Conservative.  ** wink **

Just now, ExFlyer said:

I have no idea what you are talking about

I'm not surprised you know nothing about the Bill.

You've said policy doesn't mean anything to you.  You vote by sock choice.

[ExFlyer]

17 minutes ago, Goddess said:

 

It's basically legislation we already have, but now they don't need a warrant or any judicial oversight.

Who do you think they're going to use it on?

Because so far, they haven't been interested in even using our existing legislation on the IRGC, Kahalistani gangs, Chinese drug cartels or Indian extortioners.

 

HUH???

And what is that???

OH? You have some sort of proof of your accusations??

No? I thought so. 

 

[ExFlyer]

2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

It's as true as you ever voting Conservative.  ** wink **

I'm not surprised you know nothing about the Bill.

You've said policy doesn't mean anything to you.  You vote by sock choice.

Oh, do not underestimate me... I am calling you out on your unsubstantiated BS and, as usual...you deflect and try and make it something else.

I have never said policy means noting to me...I have said PP's imaginary policies means nothing to me. LOL

[LinkSoul60]

34 minutes ago, ironstone said:

I would assume that auto industry executives have a better idea of what is or isn't realistic, at least better than that of the Liberals.

EV sales were 14.5% of the Canadian market in 2024, then it dropped to 12.1% in 2025. I know that the drop can be attributed in part to the dropping of big taxpayer subsidies for EV buyers but then why should they need these big subsidies in the first place?

Honda is scaling back a bit. 

Zero Interest: Honda cancels 0 line of EVs, takes massive loss

https://driving.ca/auto-news/industry/honda-0-zero-series-acura-rsx-ev-electric-car-line-cancelled-axed-loss

Okay.... and the point is what?  

Yes, common knowledge EV sales are not what the industry thought they would be and have/are pivoting accordingly.  

You're spot on by saying the removing of subsidies and buyer rebate incentives attributed to the sales decline in the category, but what do you think would happen if the next US administration thinking is similar minded to the Biden administration auto policies?  

[Army Guy]

10 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Okay.... and the point is what?  

Yes, common knowledge EV sales are not what the industry thought they would be and have/are pivoting accordingly.  

You're spot on by saying the removing of subsidies and buyer rebate incentives attributed to the sales decline in the category, but what do you think would happen if the next US administration thinking is similar minded to the Biden administration auto policies?  

I think the point is the Liberals invested heavily i might add in to EV and EV parts to the tune of dozens of bils of tax payers money which has now gone up in smoke...Wasted money that could have i don't know maybe fixed the health care system or any other dumpster fire going on in our government...you pick....in stead the waste tax payers money like drunken sailors with no concern to investment return, or if the idea was sound in the first place.......

while giving buyers a rebate certainly had a say in the down curve of Canadians wanting to buy EV's  , it is also about the liberals dropping another plank of their climate change propaganda,  it is that the buyers are not that invested in climate change....when it comes to investing their own money...The manufactures had been yelling all of this for a long time now, the liberals are tone deaf...

 

[LinkSoul60]

20 minutes ago, Goddess said:

It's as true as you ever voting Conservative.  ** wink **

I had to hold my nose while doing it (Scheer), but the last time I did was in 2019 😉

Hell, your once conservative dominant province is quickly heading that way.... so don't be the last one to have an epiphany.  

[LinkSoul60]

27 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I think the point is the Liberals invested heavily i might add in to EV and EV parts to the tune of dozens of bils of tax payers money which has now gone up in smoke...Wasted money that could have i don't know maybe fixed the health care system or any other dumpster fire going on in our government...you pick....in stead the waste tax payers money like drunken sailors with no concern to investment return, or if the idea was sound in the first place.......

while giving buyers a rebate certainly had a say in the down curve of Canadians wanting to buy EV's  , it is also about the liberals dropping another plank of their climate change propaganda,  it is that the buyers are not that invested in climate change....when it comes to investing their own money...The manufactures had been yelling all of this for a long time now, the liberals are tone deaf...

 

So what you're saying is that when US policy and auto industry decided to go down the EV path 5 years ago we should have just said 'no thanks' then.....right? 

Are you capable of commenting on ANYTHING without blaming the liberals?  I'm curious....

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Why perpetuate a useless debate??

 

In other words you really would rather see Canada burn down.

Well at least you're upfront about it

38 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I had to hold my nose while doing it (Scheer), but the last time I did was in 2019 😉

Hell, your once conservative dominant province is quickly heading that way.... so don't be the last one to have an epiphany.  

You are a total liar    You never voted for share and you've never voted conservative

[Goddess]

Did you know that our Canadian troops were among the first attacked by Iran in this war?  😮

Everyone is ok, but dang.

How about some transparency?

 

 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

Did you know that our Canadian troops were among the first attacked by Iran in this war?  😮

Everyone is ok, but dang.

How about some transparency?

 

 

As far as the liberals are concerned he can eat a baby live on parliament hill and they'll still make excuses for him. Being dishonest about Canadians being attacked as absolutely nothing for him

[LinkSoul60]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

In other words you really would rather see Canada burn down.

Well at least you're upfront about it

You are a total liar    You never voted for share and you've never voted conservative

Believe what you want... it matters zero to me.

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

As far as the liberals are concerned he can eat a baby live on parliament hill and they'll still make excuses for him. Being dishonest about Canadians being attacked as absolutely nothing for him

We have troops over there, Mexico is negotiating a bilateral deal with the US and leaving us out, the country is falling apart and he goes on another holiday.

Everything the English warned us about him is true.

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Believe what you want... it matters zero to me.

It very clearly matters a great deal, you spent a great deal of energy trying to convince people using no evidence whatsoever so obviously your opinion is important to you and it's important to you that others recognize it

However it's obvious that your opinion is not based on facts or reality. And now that I've demonstrated that you want to take your ball and go home.

Juvenile, but predictable. Have a good day kid

[ironstone]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Okay.... and the point is what?  

Yes, common knowledge EV sales are not what the industry thought they would be and have/are pivoting accordingly.  

You're spot on by saying the removing of subsidies and buyer rebate incentives attributed to the sales decline in the category, but what do you think would happen if the next US administration thinking is similar minded to the Biden administration auto policies?  

I see the difficult position that the auto industry is in relative to the amount of regulations that different administrations might impose every four years. Trump has either relaxed or dropped many of the Biden administrations mileage and emissions targets much to the relief of the auto industry, but they could all come back on day one if there's a Democrat back in the WH in 2028. Constantly shifting regulations means higher costs and uncertainty in the industry.

[LinkSoul60]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It very clearly matters a great deal, you spent a great deal of energy trying to convince people using no evidence whatsoever so obviously your opinion is important to you and it's important to you that others recognize it

However it's obvious that your opinion is not based on facts or reality. And now that I've demonstrated that you want to take your ball and go home.

Juvenile, but predictable. Have a good day kid

You have no idea what you're talking about do you....

I said I don't care whether you believe I ever voted conservative or not and you go off on a 'Ive spent a great deal of energy trying to convince people' and my 'opinion isn't based on facts'.....  WTF....saying I have voted conservative is not an opinion jackass, it's a comment.  I'd say get smart....but it's too late for you.

[LinkSoul60]

13 minutes ago, ironstone said:

I see the difficult position that the auto industry is in relative to the amount of regulations that different administrations might impose every four years. Trump has either relaxed or dropped many of the Biden administrations mileage and emissions targets much to the relief of the auto industry, but they could all come back on day one if there's a Democrat back in the WH in 2028. Constantly shifting regulations means higher costs and uncertainty in the industry.

Exactly... Trump's policies changed the previous administration's 4 years of policies and essentially 80 years of an integrated cross-border supply chain.  You can bet as sure as you're sitting there that if the US does have a Democrat administration the next time around the policies Trump put in place will be wiped away in short order. That does nobody good....business or consumers.

[CdnFox]

45 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You have no idea what you're talking about do you....

I said I don't care whether you believe I ever voted conservative or not and you go off on a 'Ive spent a great deal of energy trying to convince people' and my 'opinion isn't based on facts'.....  WTF....saying I have voted conservative is not an opinion jackass, it's a comment.  I'd say get smart....but it's too late for you.

I do have an idea of what I'm talking about and that's what pisses you off

You have never voted conservative. I would bet good money on that and you are a demonstrable liar so it's easy to believe you would lie about this.

Your opinion is not based on facts. I gave you facts you posted none and then broke down crying demanding that I go Google it if I wanted fax. When I brought back what Google said you had a hissy fit

And here you're having a little emotional breakdown again.

Stick with the truth and be honest in your arguments and you won't have this problem. If somebody asks you for your evidence and you have none just say I don't have any, don't claim there's mountains and mountains of it and then be forced to admit that that's not true

It's not hard. Are you honestly and don't lie I don't make bullshit up. People will respect you more and you'll find you a better discussions instead of winding up frustrated and crying because someone called you out for what was obviously bullshit

 

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Oh, do not underestimate me... I am calling you out on your unsubstantiated BS and, as usual...you deflect and try and make it something else.

I have never said policy means noting to me...I have said PP's imaginary policies means nothing to me. LOL

It's impossible to underestimate you. There's nothing below you. You're basically the zero Kelvin equivalent of intellect and reason

[ironstone]

24 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Exactly... Trump's policies changed the previous administration's 4 years of policies and essentially 80 years of an integrated cross-border supply chain.  You can bet as sure as you're sitting there that if the US does have a Democrat administration the next time around the policies Trump put in place will be wiped away in short order. That does nobody good....business or consumers.

I don't believe the stringent rules for better gas mileage have been beneficial in that it's made a lot of cars less reliable than they should be given how expensive most of them are. The engineers are putting more stress on lighter parts in a nutshell.

 

[Reg Volk]

[Army Guy]

4 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

So what you're saying is that when US policy and auto industry decided to go down the EV path 5 years ago we should have just said 'no thanks' then.....right? 

Are you capable of commenting on ANYTHING without blaming the liberals?  I'm curious....

No what i'm saying by the time we invested heavily into EV and Batteries, it was to late, a large portion of the auto industry were pulling out of making EV....and the LIBERAL government went ahead anyways....wasting bils

Ya lots of stuff but you have to admit the liberals have pretty much touched everything and most of it is messed up...most of it was on Justin watch but Carney has the same staff...and things are really not getting better....

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Exactly... Trump's policies changed the previous administration's 4 years of policies and essentially 80 years of an integrated cross-border supply chain.  You can bet as sure as you're sitting there that if the US does have a Democrat administration the next time around the policies Trump put in place will be wiped away in short order. That does nobody good....business or consumers.

Why would the democrats give back any of the auto industry that trump has convinced to move to the US....? to be nice....it makes no since, why ship jobs ands investment back to Canada when those good paying jobs are already established in the US...Good luck on that dream or wish what ever you want to call it...Giving back Canadians their jobs back would really win over the US voters...

[LinkSoul60]

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

I don't believe the stringent rules for better gas mileage have been beneficial in that it's made a lot of cars less reliable than they should be given how expensive most of them are. The engineers are putting more stress on lighter parts in a nutshell.

 

I look at the gas mileage requirements like I look at seat belts.  Both are a real good idea.  The US signed law last year saying they won't enforce those mileage requirements but there is no way manufacturers are going to add more cost into a vehicle in the name of quality if there isn't a payback. A safe guess that gas mileage is and will always be one of the deciding factors in buying a vehicle to the vast majority of consumers.  

It's way beyond the auto industry though.  I think most every manufacture in most every sector looks to build and provide the best value product, not the best product.