Pierre Calls For An End To Temporary Worker Program.

[SpankyMcFarland]

9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I don't know if you can call it inertia, given that they 've actively pursued a policy of drastic population increase.

That’s certainly one factor. We’ve watched these problems growing for decades.

[SpankyMcFarland]

How many posters on this issue are more than 200 km from a town of 50,000 or more? I can understand someone living beside Vancouver etc being unhappy with the results of the TFW program but that’s not the reality out here. Axing it entirely is too drastic a response. 

[Nationalist]

Within 8 months...the Carney will be singing the same tune as Poilievre is now.

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

How many posters on this issue are more than 200 km from a town of 50,000 or more? I can understand someone living beside Vancouver etc being unhappy with the results of the TFW program but that’s not the reality out here. Axing it entirely is too drastic a response. 

No, NO response is too drastic a response and so far that's pretty much been the liberal response. 

SO you do it the other way. 

It's aways amazing to me how you on the left always scream about how there's nothing wrong with these programs, defend them, insist it's racists to question them and then suddenly when something might happen to them you're like "woah woah, sure there's problems, definitely but why don't we just fix it?"

Well? Why didn't you just fix it then?  IF i'ts gone we won't have to worry about fixing it. 

[CouchPotato]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Within 8 months...the Carney will be singing the same tune as Poilievre is now.

I could definitely see that scenario happening. And then they will be telling us what a brilliant move it is.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

I could definitely see that scenario happening. And then they will be telling us what a brilliant move it is.

Why not, it was only a few years ago that he was singing the same tune in the first place. He seems to change regularly

[herbie]

On 9/6/2025 at 7:43 PM, I am Groot said:

bringing over millions of people from the most misogynistic societies on Earth and setting them free in our cities

2 bigoted asses showing their true colours.
This one's OK with TFWs so long as they hide them out of his sight.

[SpankyMcFarland]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

No, NO response is too drastic a response and so far that's pretty much been the liberal response. 

SO you do it the other way. 

It's aways amazing to me how you on the left always scream about how there's nothing wrong with these programs, defend them, insist it's racists to question them and then suddenly when something might happen to them you're like "woah woah, sure there's problems, definitely but why don't we just fix it?"

Well? Why didn't you just fix it then?  IF i'ts gone we won't have to worry about fixing it. 

Virtually none of that applies to me. I have no problem listening to suggestions for reform of this program, especially in large cities. But please address the remarks made by restaurateur John Farrell from Prince Rupert who is speaking for businesses in the area. They jibe with what I am seeing in rural Newfoundland. Better yet, contact John Farrell directly. I’m sure that is easy to do.  Somehow I doubt he sees himself as a leftist. 

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[Venandi]

Overall I don't think this is too complicated, or maybe it is and I'm not smart enough to figure it out but it certainly has NOTHING to do with racism.

Herb, ya listening?

You need TFWs in agriculture and (no doubt) other industries I'm not familiar enough to comment on. Jobs that Canadians simply won't work at perhaps but you certainly don't need them to take jobs away from Canadian helicopter pilots.

The difference between those things isn't some narrow creek that runs dry in June either...there's a large gulf between them and after years of sending individual (bogus) job ads and a copy of my resume to the Minister of Labour I've come to think the government has a hard time saying no to companies who want TFWs for reasons of their own. Which is (In most cases IMO) to save money.

I'd like to see a documentary or investigative report take a deep dive into this stuff, something like W5 or some such and I'd start with the trucking industry. I have no direct evidence to suggest there are job brokers and cash kickbacks behind the scenes but it would sure answer some WTF questions I have if there were.

The US has recently started asking a few of those questions after some high profile accidents... like how did you get a CDL when you're in the country illegally and can't speak english? Ya... I've been wondering that too.

Incredibly though we haven't asked any questions and when someone actually does.... Herb-like critters scream racist at them.

It isn't a matter of shutting it down completely or going full throttle bat shi% crazy with it either. What happened to common sense and testing outcomes against solutions and solutions against problems? 

Edited September 8, 2025 by Venandi

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Virtually none of that applies to me.
 

But it does. You're literally just doing it right now. 

And as i recall you were the same about the cbc. 

And just like the CBC there have been criticizms of this program for many years now. especially post covid.  And SUDDENLY....  you're thinking maybe we should look at fixing it. 

And we all know what 'fixing it' means to the liberal govt, cosmetic changes that are reversed next week.  Just as they're way over their "fixed" immigration targets. 

As to John,  the answer is simple. Your businesses CANNOT RELY ON CHEAP FOREIGN LABOUR TO SURVIVE.  You are GOING to have to make changes to make your town more attractive to live at, your employers are GOING to have to make changes to attract staff OR invest money to make the staff they have more efficient.  OR attract labour from the cities up there for a time. 

When I was a kid I spent a summer working at the 108 lodge because they needed staff and offered me a reasonably decent deal and I thought it would be fun.

They become dependent on these programs, that's not the same as saying they need them. They need them the same way that drug addicts need their drugs, but once you break that dependency it turns that they can live without them

And if they can't then maybe they have to face the reality that nobody wants to live there. Creating a false economy is not the answer

However I suspect that when they are forced to do so they will find solutions along with the government to make it worthwhile for people to work there. 

This program has created a cheap and easy solution that's kind of like a cheat code for businesses and governments. We need to do away with that and get real about canadians doing Canadian work and creating Canadian Solutions.

 

[eyeball]

53 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

As to John,  the answer is simple. Your businesses CANNOT RELY ON CHEAP FOREIGN LABOUR TO SURVIVE.

You are GOING to have to make changes to make your town more attractive to live at, your employers are GOING to have to make changes to attract staff OR invest money to make the staff they have more efficient.  OR attract labour from the cities up there for a time.

Did you even listen to what he was saying? They're not relying on cheap wages for jobs. Jobs requiring little more than a high-school diploma and a couple of tickets are offering anywhere from $73k to $108K. The majority of applicants for these jobs are from immigrants who are more than happy to go live there.  It doesn't sound like TFW's are driving wages down. 

Are you suggesting cities should force Canadians out into the boonies?

 

[CdnFox]

45 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Did you even listen to what he was saying? They're not relying on cheap wages for jobs.

yeah they are. 

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. Jobs requiring little more than a high-school diploma and a couple of tickets are offering anywhere from $73k to $108K. 

And there's NOBODY in ALL of british columbia who doesn't have a job and would like to earn 108 k? 

Please.  You're embarrassing yourself. 

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Are you suggesting cities should force Canadians out into the boonies?

Groan. 

well i guess that's you admitting you were being stupid again.  Fair enough

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

yeah they are. 

And there's NOBODY in ALL of british columbia who doesn't have a job and would like to earn 108 k?

So you didn't listen to a word he said.

Fùck off until you do and have a clue what the discussion is about.

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So you didn't listen to a word he said.

 

So you couldn't refute anything i said. 

The clueless one here is you. Pathetic. 

[eyeball]

38 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So you couldn't refute anything i said. 

You didn't say anything worth refuting. You haven't got a clue what's going on.

[I am Groot]

18 hours ago, herbie said:

2 bigoted asses showing their true colours.
This one's OK with TFWs so long as they hide them out of his sight.

Why do you hate women, herbie? Never been able to get a girlfriend?

[I am Groot]

On 9/7/2025 at 4:34 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

Our country is not a hostile desert and we are not a developing nation. Decades of governmental inertia have allowed our population to skew the way it has. 

Are you saying its just as pleasant and easy to live in a city of Thunder Bay as London?

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Did you even listen to what he was saying? They're not relying on cheap wages for jobs.

Aren't they? He says they pay above market rates. What does that mean? The market, if it's free, sets its rate as 'whatever it takes to hire someone adequate to the job'. So if they can't hire anyone, they are, by definition, not paying market rates. That's on top of the fact all these foreign workers depress market rates.

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Jobs requiring little more than a high-school diploma and a couple of tickets are offering anywhere from $73k to $108K.

Like what kind of jobs? Because the jobs he was talking about were restaurant, retail, and hotel housekeeping jobs. Are you saying they're paying that much? I doubt that.

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

The majority of applicants for these jobs are from immigrants who are more than happy to go live there.  It doesn't sound like TFW's are driving wages down. 

Of course, immigrants are happier to work there. They haven't got any ties to anywhere else in the country, so it's easy for them to go wherever they want.

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Are you suggesting cities should force Canadians out into the boonies?

If the stores and restaurants in that area are wanted by the local people, then they will pay sufficient prices that those stores and restuarants can hire workers. Regardless of what they have to offer or how hard it is to find them. If the locals don't really feel they need such outlets, then they won't. That's how the market works. 

[I am Groot]

6 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Virtually none of that applies to me. I have no problem listening to suggestions for reform of this program, especially in large cities. But please address the remarks made by restaurateur John Farrell from Prince Rupert who is speaking for businesses in the area. They jibe with what I am seeing in rural Newfoundland. Better yet, contact John Farrell directly. I’m sure that is easy to do.  Somehow I doubt he sees himself as a leftist. 

The first thing he thought of when she asked him about the benefits of these people coming to Prince Rupert was 'Diversity". Yeah, he's a leftist. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

You didn't say anything worth refuting.

Sure i did. I addressed your points specifically. 

You're just big mad because i'm right.  

[Shady]

Yep.

 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Because the jobs he was talking about were restaurant, retail, and hotel housekeeping jobs. Are you saying they're paying that much? I doubt that.

It's what restaurants, stores, and hotels are competing with - if you figure they should start paying waiters , clerks and housekeepers 73000 to $108000, I would soon expect high-school graduates could demand $200000 or more.  A Big Mac would cost $50.

Does this sound sustainable to you? The BOC would have to jack interest rates up to 50% to rein in the exuberance.

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

That's on top of the fact all these foreign workers depress market rates.

How are they depressing wages when a kid fresh out of high school can start working at $73000 a year? Cleaners in the hospitality industry earn $30 an hour around here...if you can find one.  Like I said, there are TFW's and help wanted signs in more or less equal numbers around here year round.

You live in a big city which might as well be on a different planet as far as rural economies work.  

Edited September 9, 2025 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's what restaurants, stores, and hotels are competing with - if you figure they should start paying waiters , clerks and housekeepers 73000 to $108000, I would soon expect high-school graduates could demand $200000 or more.  A hamburger would cost $50.

Does this sound sustainable to you? The BOC would have to jack interest rates up to 50% to rein in the exuberance.

How are they depressing wages when a kid fresh out of high school can start working at $73000 a year? Cleaners in the hospitality industry earn $30 an hour around here...if you can find one.  Like I said, there are TFW's and help wanted signs in more or less equal numbers around here year round.

You live in a big city which might as well be on a different planet as far as rural economies work.  

You're so full of crap   Your first claim is they couldn't possible pay people that much followed by your claim that they're paying people that much  

THose same towns and resaurants survived for a long long time before the TFW program came around and they had access to it. 

Eliminate it, and magically these people will be fine.  And if you offer a no skill required job for 100 k a year and advertise it in the lower mainland you'll magically find tonnes of people willing to move to Kitimat. It's not complex. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But it does. You're literally just doing it right now. 

And as i recall you were the same about the cbc. 

And just like the CBC there have been criticizms of this program for many years now. especially post covid.  And SUDDENLY....  you're thinking maybe we should look at fixing it. 

And we all know what 'fixing it' means to the liberal govt, cosmetic changes that are reversed next week.  Just as they're way over their "fixed" immigration targets. 

As to John,  the answer is simple. Your businesses CANNOT RELY ON CHEAP FOREIGN LABOUR TO SURVIVE.  You are GOING to have to make changes to make your town more attractive to live at, your employers are GOING to have to make changes to attract staff OR invest money to make the staff they have more efficient.  OR attract labour from the cities up there for a time. 

When I was a kid I spent a summer working at the 108 lodge because they needed staff and offered me a reasonably decent deal and I thought it would be fun.

They become dependent on these programs, that's not the same as saying they need them. They need them the same way that drug addicts need their drugs, but once you break that dependency it turns that they can live without them

And if they can't then maybe they have to face the reality that nobody wants to live there. Creating a false economy is not the answer

However I suspect that when they are forced to do so they will find solutions along with the government to make it worthwhile for people to work there. 

This program has created a cheap and easy solution that's kind of like a cheat code for businesses and governments. We need to do away with that and get real about canadians doing Canadian work and creating Canadian Solutions.

 

What I’m getting from all that is that you live nowhere near a remote community in Canada, don't know what it’s like and don’t care either. So why should I take what you and PP say seriously? You see problems with TFW in large urban centres and simplistically extrapolate that to the whole country. 
 

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As to John,  the answer is simple. Your businesses CANNOT RELY ON CHEAP FOREIGN LABOUR TO SURVIVE.  You are GOING to have to make changes to make your town more attractive to live at, your employers are GOING to have to make changes to attract staff OR invest money to make the staff they have more efficient.  OR attract labour from the cities up there for a time. 

I would really love to see some detail on your suggestions for this. How exactly can this be done? Will black magic be involved? Putting it in block capitals doesn't give me any clues. I can tell you one thing. If this cunning little populist plan ever sees the light of day our cities will be burdened with internal migrants with nowhere else to go. 

 

Edited September 9, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

1 hour ago, Shady said:

Yep.

 

He’s not our most senior foreign worker though although ‘worker’ is putting it a bit strong. Charlie has that role.