Pierre Calls For An End To Temporary Worker Program.

[Legato]

13 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Must be pot smokers.

See above

[Aristides]

How are forests less diverse, we plant the same species we remove. Your list also refers  to climate change, but you don't believe in it.

[I am Groot]

17 hours ago, herbie said:

Oh hell very few working adults figured that one out either. One lawyer i know did, but moved here during Covid and he was like 86... passed away last summer.

These places are so underserviced they're screaming for people.

They're screaming for jobs, mostly. And while they want people, they don't need unskilled third-world labourers who think women in shorts are prostitutes and thus free for the taking.

[CouchPotato]

23 minutes ago, Aristides said:

How are forests less diverse, we plant the same species we remove. Your list also refers  to climate change, but you don't believe in it.

But they spray for undesirable species and only replant those species valuable for logging.

 

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Every year in British Columbia, tens of thousands of hectares of clear-cut land is sprayed with Glyphosate, the active ingredient in the herbicide known as Roundup.

The spraying, coupled with manual brush clearing on cut blocks, is done to prevent the growth of deciduous, or broadleaf, trees so that they don’t out-compete more valuable conifers, timber trees such as pine.

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“The end goal of all of these strategies is to grow a high density pine plantation that in the interior of B.C. is the most flammable forest type we could probably grow.”

https://globalnews.ca/news/9918597/bc-herbicide-broadleaf-wildfire-risk/

Edited September 6, 2025 by CouchPotato

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, CouchPotato said:

But they spray for undesirable species and only replant those species valuable for logging.

 

 

Which is what they logged in the first place. I thought underbrush was a fire hazard. Which is it?

Coniferous forests covered BC for millions of years so why do we now need deciduous forests because the conifer fires are becoming larger and more common?

From your link.

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Steidle believes climate change, not forestry practices, is the driving force behind the explosive growth of today’s wildfires.

 

Edited September 6, 2025 by Aristides

[CouchPotato]

18 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Which is what they logged in the first place. I thought underbrush was a fire hazard. Which is it?

Coniferous forests covered BC for millions of years so why do we now need deciduous forests because the conifer fires are becoming larger and more common?

I was merely citing the link with regard to this question.

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How are forests less diverse, we plant the same species we remove.

 

[CouchPotato]

Stopping wildfires with trees: How thousands of aspen seedlings could help protect Whitehorse

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Tree planters are hard at work this spring in the Whitehorse South fuel break

The goal of the fuel break is to protect the capital city from wildfires by creating a natural barrier, removing all the highly flammable conifers in an 800-hectare area and replacing them with more fire-resistant aspens.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/stopping-wildfires-with-trees-how-thousands-of-aspen-seedlings-could-help-protect-whitehorse-1.7554568

[CouchPotato]

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Why do leafy trees burn slower?

Fire behaves differently in different forest cover types.
Deciduous stands often act as natural fuel breaks. In the boreal
forest, crown fires typically drop to the ground when they enter
an aspen stand. Fire spread is dependent on the amount and
type of understory plants and shrubs. Because of the usual
absence of ladder fuels in deciduous stands, fire does not
get carried to the high crowns of these trees. The physical
properties of aspen also resist intense fire behaviour; high
crown base height, higher moisture content of the leaves and
stems, and tight, smooth bark. In coniferous stands, the rough,
loose bark can act as a ladder allowing fire to climb into the
canopy. It can also produce embers that are carried ahead of
the fire front.
Trembling aspen, balsam poplar and white birch are commonly
found throughout Alberta. Since the characteristics of these
trees do not readily support fast-moving wildfires, they make
ideal species to plant in and around FireSmart communities.

https://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/formain15744/$FILE/tree-species-impact-wildfire-aug03-2012.pdf

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Legato said:

You know this, stop the poor me act. 

 

Factors Contributing to Poor Forest Management

Sure...if any government had listened to forest ecologists that were prescribing stand diversity, allowing natural fires to burn or God forbid leaving trees behind they would have been dismissed as wild-eyed communist anti-capitalist hippies.

2 hours ago, Legato said:

Bong leaking"

Get a vape pen. I doubt you could start a fire with one even if you were drunk.

[Aristides]

50 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

I was merely citing the link with regard to this question.

 

They were originally pine forests, have been for millennia.

 

40 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

https://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/formain15744/$FILE/tree-species-impact-wildfire-aug03-2012.pdf

So why do we need to plant deciduous forests where there were none before? Climate change perhaps?

[herbie]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

How are forests less diverse, we plant the same species we remove.

The tree planters don't. The damn deciduous will grow out of your damn long if you skip 1 week mowing.
They plant the species that's harvested. 

[herbie]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

They're screaming for jobs, mostly. And while they want people, they don't need unskilled third-world labourers who think women in shorts are prostitutes and thus free for the taking

My you're a bigoted ass.

Revealing your true reason for disliking TFWs are you? You're kid really WANTS to pick strawberries, eh?

[CouchPotato]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Revealing your true reason for disliking TFWs are you? You're kid really WANTS to pick strawberries, eh?

Why not?

Also...

Under this urgently-needed plan, the Temporary Foreign Workers program would be permanently abolished with a separate, standalone program for legitimately difficult-to-fill agricultural labour. For ultra-low-unemployment regions, there will be a transition period of, at most, five years while the program winds down, but no new permits will be issued anywhere in Canada.

https://www.conservative.ca/end-the-tfw-program

Edited September 7, 2025 by CouchPotato

[Shady]

Carney on TFWs 2013 vs 2025.  
 

 

[I am Groot]

Statistics on how many foreign workers are in Canada, and where they're from. Apparently, if I'm reading this right, there are at this very moment, over three million temporary foreigners working in Canada. Yes, that's right THREE MILLION foreign workers. These are just the ones on legal visas, mind you. This doesn't count the illegals.

https://immigrationstatistics.ca/

Edited September 7, 2025 by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

My you're a bigoted ass.

Revealing your true reason for disliking TFWs are you? You're kid really WANTS to pick strawberries, eh?

Nobody cares about foreigners picking strawberries, you twat. And we'd even accept foreigners working in isolated, unpleasant jobs like fish factories. We don't need them in the cities. 

And calling me bigoted is rich when you're in favour of bringing over millions of people from the most misogynistic societies on Earth and setting them free in our cities. Hate women much?

[SpankyMcFarland]

While I’m fine with modifying the program, completely getting rid of it would be a disaster for some communities in Canada. It’s a non-starter. I’m going to contact my local Conservative MP and see if he is willing to defend this proposal. He must know what it would mean in his riding. 

Edited September 7, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

I know the situation in rural Newfoundland but I don’t know about other remote parts of the country. Here is somebody talking about Prince Rupert, Kitimat and Terrace. Is he wrong?

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[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Statistics on how many foreign workers are in Canada, and where they're from. Apparently, if I'm reading this right, there are at this very moment, over three million temporary foreigners working in Canada. Yes, that's right THREE MILLION foreign workers. These are just the ones on legal visas, mind you. This doesn't count the illegals.

https://immigrationstatistics.ca/

I heard a liberal mp say on the vassey show a day or so ago that it's "racist" to speak against the TFW program and that "THERE'S A REASON WHY ONLY PEOPLE WITH MY COLOUR SKIN DRIVE TAXIS".  She's east indian.  Like there are NO white or yellow or red or black taxi drivers and that letting those people apply for the job would some how be racist. 

the fact is aside from agriculture and MAYBE a few specialists these jobs should be filled by canadians, and businesses should be investing in productiity if they can't find enough workers locally or figuring how to make things more attractive for workers.  Not bringing in cheap 'indentured servitude' workers. 

The temp foreign worker program was never meant to provide a permanent large workforce for business.  It was meant so that people with specialized skills (like if you bought a custom product that needed to be installed in Canada by specialists) could work here or that companies opening and investing here from foreign lands could bring some of their staff to get things up and running. 

Oh and by the way... your figures don't include foreign students who also have work permits, which the gov't extended the hours for. 

 

[Venandi]

9 hours ago, Aristides said:

So why do we need to plant deciduous forests where there were none before? Climate change perhaps?

Pay attention and savour the rarest of moments...

Herb is right:

9 hours ago, herbie said:

The tree planters don't. The damn deciduous will grow out of your damn long if you skip 1 week mowing.
They plant the species that's harvested. 

This is an issue as well and if I were doing it I'd blame global warming too... it's an easy sell, you'd believe me because you want to.

11 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

But they spray for undesirable species and only replant those species valuable for logging.

 

Edited September 7, 2025 by Venandi

[Politics1990]

tfw actually helps the place i work at because its gone thru all the locals and they all quit or dont show up  for work . so without them i would be  without a job   that pays me decent over 20$ a hour..  but like herbie said PP is just rage baiting he wont actually end it if he won power ... his buddys all use the program to much. it needs to be tweaked not  deleted

[Shady]

23 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

tfw actually helps the place i work at because its gone thru all the locals and they all quit or dont show up  for work . so without them i would be  without a job   that pays me decent over 20$ a hour..  but like herbie said PP is just rage baiting he wont actually end it if he won power ... his buddys all use the program to much. it needs to be tweaked not  deleted

Calling it ragebait allows you dismiss the actual substance of the issue.   It’s not an argument.  It’s completely subjective.  Address the real issues.  Put aside your Pierre Derangement Syndrome.

[Aristides]

5 hours ago, Venandi said:

 

This is an issue as well and if I were doing it I'd blame global warming too... it's an easy sell, you'd believe me because you want to.

 

More like, in spite of all the scientific and physical evidence piling up, people don’t believe it because they don’t want to.

The guy who is leading the fight against spraying is also saying the increased number and intensity of the fires is due to global warming.

Edited September 7, 2025 by Aristides

[BlahTheCanuck]

I abhor the temporary foreign workers program - with that said, if we were to completely abolish it, companies would simply try to sneak low-wage workers through the permanent residency system, which would be even worse, because the points system is meant to be for productive, high-wage workers.

The best thing to do is to continue to have a temporary foreign workers program, but to keep it as restricted as possible with low numbers and have safeguards to prevent fraud/exploitation. Also, impose a moratorium for tfws in some sectors where tfws are used too excessively (eg fast food/coffee shops).

[Shady]

Tim Hortons is almost exclusively hiring TFWs and international students.