Florida to ban ALL vaccine mandates

[Chrissy1979]

13 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said:

"In the late 1970s, a spike in measles cases pushed many Canadian provinces to enact mandatory vaccination policies in public schools. Many of these remain in place today..."

 

[Boges]

1 hour ago, Shady said:

Measles is a nothingburger.  It's literally like getting the flu.  Regardless, as per my previous post, measles outbreaks have been worse over the previous 10 years, but wasn't newsworthy because it wasn't politicized.

 

Calling it a "nothingburger" is dumb. It's still a very contagious and serious disease. 

https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/pediatrics-articles/measles-is-still-a-very-dangerous-disease

 

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How dangerous is measles?

Fortunately, for most people, measles is not life-threatening — but the problem is that you can't predict who will become seriously ill. Three in 1,000 people who contract measles will die. For those who are vulnerable due to preexisting conditions that impact their immune system, measles can be even more dangerous.

However, if everyone is vaccinated, no one will die. Before the vaccine, there were up to 500 U.S. deaths each year from measles, and now it's completely preventable.

With vaccine-preventable illnesses, most people don't get sick, but that doesn’t mean it’s smart to forego the vaccine. Why take the risk when the protection is safe and effective?

 

 

 

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Regardless, as per my previous post, measles outbreaks have been worse over the previous 10 years, but wasn't newsworthy because it wasn't politicized.

Yes because people in power weren't calling into question the effectiveness of vaccines. 

[User]

2 hours ago, Shady said:

Measles is a nothingburger.  It's literally like getting the flu.  Regardless, as per my previous post, measles outbreaks have been worse over the previous 10 years, but wasn't newsworthy because it wasn't politicized.

Measles is not a nothingburger. It is far more infectious, causes a very discomforting rash, and is also a higher rate of severe complications that leads to more hospitalizations and needed treatments as well as a much higher risk of death. 

 

[Shady]

3 minutes ago, User said:

Measles is not a nothingburger. It is far more infectious, causes a very discomforting rash, and is also a higher rate of severe complications that leads to more hospitalizations and needed treatments as well as a much higher risk of death. 

 

I've had measles.  It was literally just like the flu.  Go watch the Brady Bunch episode about measles and see how society used to view it.  Now everything is a health crisis.  It's ridiculous.

[User]

3 minutes ago, Shady said:

I've had measles.  It was literally just like the flu.  Go watch the Brady Bunch episode about measles and see how society used to view it.  Now everything is a health crisis.  It's ridiculous.

I was in a car crash once and survived... so clearly all car crashes must be just like mine and there should never be anyone that is worse. 

 

[gatomontes99]

5 hours ago, Boges said:

We're seeing large measles outbreaks in communities of like-minded parents. 

Herd immunity is a real thing. The vaccine isn't always 100% effective but if 90%+ people have it, it's difficult to spread. 

These diseases caused a lot of death and suffering before vaccines. Completely eliminating such diseases is in the public good. 

As you said, these diseases spread in like minded communities. It is their problem. They made their choices and they have to live with their consequences. These diseases are not nearly as deadly or disruptive as they used to be. Let people make their own choices. Don't be authoritarian. 

[eyeball]

On 9/4/2025 at 5:25 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

I guess if Republican supporters want to kill themselves they have that right.  They insist on burning up the planet so maybe we're better off without them anyways instead of dragging everyone else with them.

What do mean instead? They are dragging everyone else with them.

[Moonlight Graham]

43 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What do mean instead? They are dragging everyone else with them.

I know, so maybe if they can stop taking their vaccines and kick the bucket and we'd be better off.  I feel bad for their kids but I don't feel that bad for them if they don't want to listen to their doctors.  Darwinism's a b*tch.

[User]

On 9/5/2025 at 2:16 PM, gatomontes99 said:

As you said, these diseases spread in like minded communities. It is their problem. They made their choices and they have to live with their consequences. These diseases are not nearly as deadly or disruptive as they used to be. Let people make their own choices. Don't be authoritarian. 

No, it is not just their problem. 

Listen, it is one thing to oppose specific mandates because you don't want them, but that doesn't negate the fact that disease affects everyone. 

Depending on the type of disease, some people, including newborns, pregnant mothers, and others, can't get some kind of instant immunity even if they do vaccinate on schedule. Whooping cough is a good example as children under 6 months old have not achieved vaccine immunity yet and are still vulnerable.

It is not as simple as saying those who don't vaccinate only harm themselves and others who choose not to vaccinate. 

 

[Shady]

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, User said:

No, it is not just their problem. 

Listen, it is one thing to oppose specific mandates because you don't want them, but that doesn't negate the fact that disease affects everyone. 

Depending on the type of disease, some people, including newborns, pregnant mothers, and others, can't get some kind of instant immunity even if they do vaccinate on schedule. Whooping cough is a good example as children under 6 months old have not achieved vaccine immunity yet and are still vulnerable.

It is not as simple as saying those who don't vaccinate only harm themselves and others who choose not to vaccinate. 

 

Newborns is really the only group that can't get instant immunity. However, doctors do advise the parents of what issues might be a problem and that the newborns should be kept at a distance until they can build immunity. Today, that is so so easy to do. 

I personally believe people should get all the vaccines and do the same for their children. I say that having almost died from a vaccine. However, I have a strong libertarian streak and I almost always choose less government control. That means that citizens need to be diligent in everything they do, from going out in public to vetting care givers. Freedom comes at a cost and in this case the cost is due diligence. 

[Aristides]

Making ventilators great again.

[Aristides]

On 9/5/2025 at 9:32 AM, Shady said:

I've had measles.  It was literally just like the flu.  Go watch the Brady Bunch episode about measles and see how society used to view it.  Now everything is a health crisis.  It's ridiculous.

The vaccine is for mumps and rubella as well.

[Boges]

On 9/5/2025 at 12:32 PM, Shady said:

I've had measles.  It was literally just like the flu.  Go watch the Brady Bunch episode about measles and see how society used to view it.  Now everything is a health crisis.  It's ridiculous.

So if the flu vaccine would mean that you would never get the flu ever again, wouldn't you take it and give it to your kids? 

 

[Shady]

31 minutes ago, Boges said:

So if the flu vaccine would mean that you would never get the flu ever again, wouldn't you take it and give it to your kids? 

 

It’s depends on the risks from the vaccine.  I would probably just continue to workout, sleep well, eat healthy and take supplements like vitamin D and zinc.  I don’t get sick very much.

[Boges]

1 hour ago, Shady said:

It’s depends on the risks from the vaccine.

There is no credible risk for the MMR vaccine. 

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 I would probably just continue to workout, sleep well, eat healthy and take supplements like vitamin D and zinc.  I don’t get sick very much.

Those are good routines to mitigate chronic illness as well. Minimizing the severity of the diseases they look to prevent is not a good argument to not take the vaccine. Effectively eradicating said disease is much better for the public good. 

 

[Goddess]

On 9/7/2025 at 9:42 PM, Aristides said:

Making ventilators great again.

Were they great?

Canada bought $170 million worth of them and scrapped them last year.

Because Trudeau bought them AFTER the US had already figured out it was the vents that were killing people.

But it helped out his good friend, Frank Bayliss, because he overpaid by $100 million.

Fuque, you people are stoopid. 🙄

It doesn't matter how bad the Liberals fuque you over, you just keep asking for more.

 

[Shady]

36 minutes ago, Boges said:

There is no credible risk for the MMR vaccine. 

Those are good routines to mitigate chronic illness as well. Minimizing the severity of the diseases they look to prevent is not a good argument to not take the vaccine. Effectively eradicating said disease is much better for the public good. 

 

There actually are credible risks to taking most medicines and medications.  It’s always risk/reward.  I care more about my personal health than “the public good”.  

[Aristides]

6 hours ago, Goddess said:

Were they great?

Canada bought $170 million worth of them and scrapped them last year.

Because Trudeau bought them AFTER the US had already figured out it was the vents that were killing people.

But it helped out his good friend, Frank Bayliss, because he overpaid by $100 million.

Fuque, you people are stoopid. 🙄

It doesn't matter how bad the Liberals fuque you over, you just keep asking for more.

 

They sure as hell were for those who needed them.

Good to see that you excel at 20/20 hindsight. 

Good thing we got vaccines much quicker than we thought we would. Don't you think?

Edited September 10, 2025 by Aristides

[Goddess]

52 minutes ago, Aristides said:

They sure as hell were for those who needed them.

We sold them for scrap.

[Aristides]

14 minutes ago, Goddess said:

We sold them for scrap.

 

Which was stupid. We don't know when we will need them again. 800 were donated to other countries.

Edited September 10, 2025 by Aristides

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

 

Which was stupid. We don't know when we will need them again. 800 were donated to other countries.

It was stupid all around - those machines require a medical specialty to operate them.  We don't have enough of those specialists for the amount of machine we bought.

Vents are a last resort, usually done when the patient is unconscious and near death.  They are very dangerous and only used as a last resort.  During covid, doctors were putting EVERYONE on vents and getting them to SIGN documents consenting to being on one.  That's how a lot of people died.  Not of covid.  Of being on the vents.  A lot of nurses quit and had breakdowns because they knew they were killing people but putting them willy-nilly on vents.

When it finally all came out in the US that it was the vents that were killing people, Canada - always behind - was still purchasing vents.

But at least Trudeau's buddy got rich, right?

 

[Aristides]

3 minutes ago, Goddess said:

It was stupid all around - those machines require a medical specialty to operate them.  We don't have enough of those specialists for the amount of machine we bought.

Vents are a last resort, usually done when the patient is unconscious and near death.  They are very dangerous and only used as a last resort.  During covid, doctors were putting EVERYONE on vents and getting them to SIGN documents consenting to being on one.  That's how a lot of people died.  Not of covid.  Of being on the vents.  A lot of nurses quit and had breakdowns because they knew they were killing people but putting them willy-nilly on vents.

When it finally all came out in the US that it was the vents that were killing people, Canada - always behind - was still purchasing vents.

But at least Trudeau's buddy got rich, right?

 

Now you are a medical expert. Where did you get your degree?

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 9/4/2025 at 3:06 PM, Shady said:

I tend to agree.  Although I have read that many diseases were eradicated by proper sanitation, plumbing, and hygiene.  That all coincided with some vaccines.   But vaccines get all the credit,   When you look at the date, things like polio were already decreasing significantly.   Regardless, I think some of the traditional vaccines should still be mandated for children.

They get some of the credit and fully deserve it. Most courses on the history of public health also feature this guy:

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[gatomontes99]

19 hours ago, Boges said:

There is no credible risk for the MMR vaccine. 

Bullshìt. I spent 2 weeks in the ICU because of it. That is, however, a very tiny percentage of reactions. 

Small risks  are still risks. That said, I gave my kid the MMR. That was a choice, as it should be. It shouldn't be a mandate.