CBC bias at work: two papers, same story, VERY different headlines

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Yes I can, I do, and I will. Until you can rationally prove otherwise.
Otherwise I will contend every instance of simply repeating dogma and slogans over and over claiming that makes them true.

Don't confuse the narrative, this thread is supposed to be about CBC bias, not NP bias. Pointing out NP bias makes the OP unhappy. Do not make the OP unhappy.

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[herbie]

52 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Pointing out NP bias makes the OP unhappy

55 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

In plain words CBC reported the propadanda

Yes, I am a bit tired of arguing with the bone stupid. Even to point out gross errors in their argument, as they simply refuse to learn dick shit.
I have to deal with that all day in my tech job.

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Yes, I am a bit tired of arguing with the bone stupid.

 

Stay away from the mirror. I told you that before.

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Even to point out gross errors in their argument, as they simply refuse to learn dick shit.
I have to deal with that all day in my tech job.

Dude you have never pointed out a gross error in anyone's argument and if we're talking about people being pig-headedly obtuse and stupid despite being shown evidence and facts you are the poster boy

[SpankyMcFarland]

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sure. And without a doubt there is no group out there now that has a great reputation when it comes to being perfect with credibility.

 So you either have to corroborate or look at the 'balance of probability' (What seems plausible). 

Israel doesn't have much reason to randomly accuse people of that, and they're not saying any of the other journalists were connected to terror cells.  so why would they pick on this one guy? They've said it about him for some time. ANd it's understandable that they don't provide a lot of evidence as it would likely compromise their information sources. 

So we can't be sure either way and we aught to be very open to changing our opinion if more data comes along but the logical position initially is that if a gov't organization that really doesn't have much reason to randomly pick out one journalist over many says they  believe he was a terror cell leader that's more credible than the known bias newspaper saying he isn't. 

 

 

Israel has every reason to claim at least one journalist in a group it has killed was a Hamas operative because that gives it justification for killing all of them. As long as it can kill or intimidate all non-embedded journalists in Gaza and keep foreign journalists out it can better control what we see from there. If the Israelis had any interest in letting the truth be known they would admit reputable foreign journalists into Gaza. That they won’t do that speaks volumes. 

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[Michael Hardner]

13 hours ago, herbie said:

Yes, I am a bit tired of arguing with the bone stupid.  

Use IGNORE 

[SpankyMcFarland]

15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

In plain words CBC reported the propadanda.  This was an 'innocent victim tragically killed' despite knowing that he most likely had ties to a terror cell.  

The details matter here. Hamas ran a theocratic dictatorship. Everyone in Gaza had some sort of ties to them whether they wanted to or not. When you say ‘terror cell’ what independent evidence do you have beyond Israeli allegations that we can’t trust either? Do you at least acknowledge that the IDF would have a motive to call somebody a Hamas operative whether or not they were?

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[LinkSoul60]

The fool doesn't deal in details. He only knows politically bias rhetoric.

[Army Guy]

17 hours ago, Aristides said:

So far 234 journalists have been killed in Gaza, I suppose they all must have been Hamas operatives.Very disappointing that the NP would just accept Israel's word with no corroberation. Shit journalism.

The guy was a Pulitzer Prise winner.

None of them on that list are western journalist that's a fact, as for western media they are staying in a nice secure hotel ,and get spoon feed their nightly brief by israelis military sources...They did the same in Afghanistan, most not all did not even leave the wire, i can count on one hand the number that did leave with a full military escort, and only one Canadian journalist that went out on his own...this is the norm for western journalists... 

I've yet seen anyone on this forum post any source suggesting the Israelis military was wrong...

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Israel has every reason to claim at least one journalist in a group it has killed was a Hamas operative because that gives it justification for killing all of them. As long as it can kill or intimidate all non-embedded journalists in Gaza and keep foreign journalists out it can better control what we see from there. If the Israelis had any interest in letting the truth be known they would admit reputable foreign journalists into Gaza. That they won’t do that speaks volumes. 

Yes because whatever Israel will do or has done will change your mind on this conflict...234 dead journalist are not enough,you need more to spark the water cooler conversations about just how bad palestinian terrorist have it...and what lengths they go to hide the truths about what is going on in Gaza. Western Journalist are not going to go freely into Gaza...unless they are paid a lot more than they are now....why leave a nice western class hotel when your story can be written by Israel the day before...

[Aristides]

4 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

None of them on that list are western journalist that's a fact, as for western media they are staying in a nice secure hotel ,and get spoon feed their nightly brief by israelis military sources...They did the same in Afghanistan, most not all did not even leave the wire, i can count on one hand the number that did leave with a full military escort, and only one Canadian journalist that went out on his own...this is the norm for western journalists... 

I've yet seen anyone on this forum post any source suggesting the Israelis military was wrong...

A: There are not nice secure hotels or anything else in Gaza right now. 234 dead journalists from numerous countries should make that clear.

B: So you unconditionally accept that NP's claim the Israeli military is right, while saying that the CBC reporting the Israeli claims are being disputed is propaganda. Not saying the Israeli claims are bogus but merely reporting they are being challenged, which they are.  

[SpankyMcFarland]

23 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Yes because whatever Israel will do or has done will change your mind on this conflict...234 dead journalist are not enough,you need more to spark the water cooler conversations about just how bad palestinian terrorist have it...and what lengths they go to hide the truths about what is going on in Gaza. Western Journalist are not going to go freely into Gaza...unless they are paid a lot more than they are now....why leave a nice western class hotel when your story can be written by Israel the day before...

Western journalists are willing to enter Gaza immediately. But killing them would pose big problems for Israel. The IDF could scream bias about a godless dead Brit but claiming he’s Hamas ain’t gonna fly anywhere. 

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[Army Guy]

18 minutes ago, Aristides said:

A: There are not nice secure hotels or anything else in Gaza right now. 234 dead journalists from numerous countries should make that clear.

B: So you unconditionally accept that NP's claim the Israeli military is right, while saying that the CBC reporting the Israeli claims are being disputed is propaganda. Not saying the Israeli claims are bogus but merely reporting they are being challenged, which they are.  

Your not going to find any western media in Gaza....they are either in Egypt or Israel take your pick.... Yes many muslim countries....i should have explained that better...Although it is hard to find just one western name in all the 234 listed...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_the_Gaza_war

If i have a choice on which side to believe yes, i'm going to side with the Israelis military...Israelis military has said it has evidence, they just have not released it yet...and whether they do or not, the doubters in the west are still going to remain doubters, everything Israelis is doing is wrong according a large majority here in Canada...and none of them really know what is going on, both side are in an active war.....and war is not surgical like everyone thinks.....war is nothing but death and destruction, people die, mostly civilians, it is how it works for centuries....

How we ending up supporting a terrorist organization like the palestinian movement is beyond imagination...

[Army Guy]

13 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Western journalists are willing to enter Gaza immediately. But killing them would pose big problems for Israel. The IDF could scream bias about a godless dead Brit but claiming he’s Hamas ain’t gonna fly anywhere. 

No they are not....why leave pool side in the hotel they are at right now....this has been happening in most modern wars,in recent times Afghanistan ,Iraq, Gaza....they are not going to risk anything outside of the wire...and for the few that are going to go in, war kills everyone, including journalist, women and children, you think wearing a press sign across your chest makes you bulletproof...if you in the wrong place at the wrong time, you will die...explaining that to the global population is easy...oops we made a mistake two days later they the public have moved on to something else...i mean Israel has already lost the public opinion war...i'm sure they are not going to put much effort into a cover up...

[SpankyMcFarland]

10 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

No they are not....why leave pool side in the hotel they are at right now....this has been happening in most modern wars,in recent times Afghanistan ,Iraq, Gaza....they are not going to risk anything outside of the wire...and for the few that are going to go in, war kills everyone, including journalist, women and children, you think wearing a press sign across your chest makes you bulletproof...if you in the wrong place at the wrong time, you will die...explaining that to the global population is easy...oops we made a mistake two days later they the public have moved on to something else...i mean Israel has already lost the public opinion war...i'm sure they are not going to put much effort into a cover up...

Do you honestly believe the IDF are going to tell the truth about themselves? Are you that simple? No army does that. It would be against its interests to do so. Media information is part of the conflict. 

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[WestCanMan]

On 8/12/2025 at 7:46 PM, TreeBeard said:

Because human rights NGOs are known for their fake news?

100%.

The people with the most at stake on any topic are the ones who try the hardest to influence them. 

Look at all of this bullshit about Canada from Amnesty Int'l: https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/americas/north-america/canada/

It's in paragraph form, but I put it in point form here to make it easier to break down:

Systemic racism and discrimination against Black and racialized people persisted.

Two-spirit, lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, queer, questioning, intersex and asexual (2SLGBTQQIA+) people faced discrimination and violence.

Indigenous land defenders were criminalized for protecting their ancestral territory

violence against Indigenous women continued

the fate of Indigenous children remained unresolved.

Migrants’ and refugees’ rights were violated.

Canada did not meet emissions targets.

Now that you know what Amnesty Int'l has to say about Canada, how much do you value their opinion?

It's a joke, top to bottom. If someone said that shit to my face I would spit on them.

[Army Guy]

7 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Do you honestly believe the IDF are going to tell the truth about themselves? Are you that simple? No army does that. It would be against its interests to do so. Media information is part of the conflict. 

What i'm saying is i'm much rather believe an Israel source than one from Hamas or organizations supporting Hamas...Why lie, about killing one journalist, the globe is not really that interested and in a few days it will be old news...New offensive coming up thats what is going to be in the media...

Control the information highway is very much a large part of the conflict, maintaining Israel's reputation would be key to any release of info. Explain to me how making this story hides anything....they have in the past said out right yes we killed these people by mistake...why lie on this one, because who this guy is....tomorrow he will be a number 235 and will be forgotten in a weeks time, not tiring to be cold, be stating fact...I learned that in Afghanistan, only friends and family will remember...the story only matters today, and tomorrow, then is forgotten...

[WestCanMan]

55 minutes ago, Aristides said:

A: There are not nice secure hotels or anything else in Gaza right now. 234 dead journalists from numerous countries should make that clear.

B: So you unconditionally accept that NP's claim the Israeli military is right, while saying that the CBC reporting the Israeli claims are being disputed is propaganda. Not saying the Israeli claims are bogus but merely reporting they are being challenged, which they are.  

Here's the view of Israel and Palestine from 50,000 feet.

1. Since the very first day of Israel's existence, the goal of the Palestinians and most of the muslim countries surrounding them has been a complete genocide against them, just like the one that the Pakistanis inflicted on 8M Sikhs and Hindus 8 months earlier, which every Arab country is happy about
2. No one knows exactly how Israel would respond to a legitimate offer of peace because that has never been on the table. Hamas and Iran remain openly committed to genocide against Israelis, and other Arab nations don't condemn such inexplicable hate speech from their brothers
3. Israel has never committed an actual genocide against Palestinians, despite their ability to conduct one. 

The CBC is saying "Israeli claims are being challenged" because that's the greatest extent that they can slant that particular story.

You could say that any claim is being challenged if you wanted to. Even the spherical earth "theory". 

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Control the information highway is very much a large part of the conflict, 

IMO it's 99.9%. 

Iran wants needs a pile of dead Gazan children so that they can foment hatred against Israel.

And I can promise you that if there weren't dead Gazan children, Iran would kill them and place their bodies in front of cameras themselves, along with their crying moms. 

Anyone who thinks that Iran doesn't want to see thousands of dead Gazan children is an id10t. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

10 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

What i'm saying is i'm much rather believe an Israel source than one from Hamas or organizations supporting Hamas...Why lie, about killing one journalist, the globe is not really that interested and in a few days it will be old news...New offensive coming up thats what is going to be in the media...

Control the information highway is very much a large part of the conflict, maintaining Israel's reputation would be key to any release of info. Explain to me how making this story hides anything....they have in the past said out right yes we killed these people by mistake...why lie on this one, because who this guy is....tomorrow he will be a number 235 and will be forgotten in a weeks time, not tiring to be cold, be stating fact...I learned that in Afghanistan, only friends and family will remember...the story only matters today, and tomorrow, then is forgotten...

They’ve lied about killing hundreds of journalists! 

And it’s not just the Israelis. Armies routinely lie in these situations. They have to. 

[Army Guy]

Just now, SpankyMcFarland said:

They’ve lied about killing hundreds of journalists! 

How so it is public information, i just gave you 234 names each one killed in Gaza....most have explanations of how they died....Israel just came out and said this guy was targeted...i'm not following your logic here...they've also killed thousands of palestinians, they are at war, and this is the sort of thing that happens....

[WestCanMan]

14 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

They’ve lied about killing hundreds of journalists! 

And it’s not just the Israelis. Armies routinely lie in these situations. They have to. 

islamic state didn't lie about killing journalists, they bragged about it.

They posted the severed-head videos online as part of their recruitment campaign.

And it worked. 

The difference between Hamas and islamic state is just branding and a bit of honesty. They are both motivated by the exact same thing, and their intentions are equally evil. 

[Aristides]

7 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

How so it is public information, i just gave you 234 names each one killed in Gaza....most have explanations of how they died....Israel just came out and said this guy was targeted...i'm not following your logic here...they've also killed thousands of palestinians, they are at war, and this is the sort of thing that happens....

Many of them in their homes along with their families or other innocent people. Apparently you believe they were all Hamas operatives. If Israel wants to claim people were Hamas associates they need to provide evidence to back it up, otherwise they can use it as an excuse to do anything. Which they are.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Israel has every reason to claim at least one journalist in a group it has killed was a Hamas operative because that gives it justification for killing all of them.

If you needed to justify killing all of them just say they're all carousel leaders. I mean if you're going to make up a lie with nothing then might as well lie about them all.

In fact just say they were killed by accident. They were in a combat zone, easy enough to say they were killed because they were too close to a legitimate target or something. No need to blame any of them. And that's how Israel has addressed the vast majority of deaths of innocents, just pointed out they were collateral damage for legit targets. 

But here's the thing, they've been saying this about this guy for some time. and "The IDF provided screenshots of what it claimed were internal Hamas documents with entries purportedly proving al-Sharif's affiliation. Israel had repeatedly accused al-Sharif of having links to Hamas in recent months."  

So it's not like they're making it up now and they do have intelligence docs to bac up their story.  ALSO:

"On the evening after al-Sharif's death, the BBC reported that prior to the Gaza war, al-Sharif had been working for a Hamas media team"

So the guy worked for Hamas, the Israelis had dirt on him, they made this public previously and and didn't just make it up the spur of the moment, it didn't actually need to make up anything to justify why a couple of innocent civilians were killed in a combat zone if that's what they wanted.

Meanwhile on the other side all they've got is the claim that he was being smeared. Why? Why none of the other reporters that are reporting the same things? Why smear and target just this one guy for months?

 

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If the Israelis had any interest in letting the truth be known they would admit reputable foreign journalists into Gaza. That they won’t do that speaks volumes. 

The volume it speaks is they don't want foreign journalists playing a game where they go stand beside legitimate terror cell targets and then get killed and then everybody is pissed.

[SpankyMcFarland]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The volume it speaks is they don't want foreign journalists playing a game where they go stand beside legitimate terror cell targets and then get killed and then everybody is pissed.

So journalists from Europe and North America have a cunning plan to get themselves killed? That’s dedication. 

[Shady]

20 hours ago, eyeball said:

You can't argue that Canada isn't a progressive country. It seems entirely natural that the CBC would reflect that and I have no problem with tax dollars funding it.

You’re arguing for state funded partisan media.  When did you go full fascist?