Carney's announcement to recognize a state of Palestine in September most ill-conceived imaginable.

[Aristides]

30 minutes ago, Legato said:

So you looked it up and still don't know, it was your assertion and yet...........

You just keep  confirming what I said. Over 80% of Gazans are people or the descendants of people who were forced out or fled what is now Israel in 1948.

Edited August 12, 2025 by Aristides

[Legato]

14 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You just keep  confirming what I said. Over 80% of Gazans are people or the descendants of people who were forced out or fled what is now Israel in 1948.

How can a negative be confirmed?

The Jewish people have been there from way back when.

Where do you think the Israelite's came from?

[Aristides]

4 minutes ago, Legato said:

How can a negative be confirmed?

The Jewish people have been there from way back when.

Where do you think the Israelite's came from?

I'm not saying Jewish people don't have a right to be there. The idea that this has to be an either, or is what has resulted in 78 years of violence. The status quo will just result in more of the same. 

I guess we should bugger off, go back to Europe or wherever we came from and give the continent back to FN if that is your criteria.

[Legato]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

I'm not saying Jewish people don't have a right to be there. The idea that this has to be an either, or is what has resulted in 78 years of violence. The status quo will just result in more of the same. 

I guess we should bugger off, go back to Europe or wherever we came from and give the continent back to FN if that is your criteria.

Not my criteria but undoubtedly yours.

The Palestinians want all Jews dead, it's their twisted religion, that will never change.

The Jewish people have more right to be there than anyone else.

[User]

11 hours ago, Aristides said:

Not a good reader are you. I'm just saying if it doesn't happen the killing will go on. It's up to them to figure it out, it isn't my country. 

If what doesn't happen? You offer nothing specific. 

 

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

You just keep  confirming what I said. Over 80% of Gazans are people or the descendants of people who were forced out or fled what is now Israel in 1948.

So... to the point, they will be "refugees" forever in your eyes unless we destroy Israel. 

This is why your calling them "refugees" is absurd. 

 

[Venandi]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

Over 80% of Gazans are people or the descendants of people who were forced out or fled what is now Israel in 1948.

Not sure of the percentage but I'd say the majority of older folks I talked to certainly fell into that category. Nice people and some pretty interesting stories over sweet tea. One old fellow had tears in his eyes and the keys to his grandfathers farmhouse around his neck... I still think about him on occasion.

That was long before Hamas came to town BTW, things have changed a bit since then; it might be more accurate to say they've become way more extreme. The majority of people I met could (IMO of course) be negotiated with, they only needed to see incremental improvement in their lives (and the promise of more) to stay motivated. 

The new breed, not so much. 

As it stands now (and what the Herbs of the world fail to acknowledge) is a new and stark reality... the days I refer to are gonzo now. 

2 hours ago, Legato said:

The Palestinians want all Jews dead, it's their twisted religion, that will never change....

 ... that is until Hamas has been eradicated plus one generation if everything goes right.

The historical perspective and human topography here is as fascinating as it is irrelevant, at least in the absence of a time machine.

Get to work on that Herb... 

 

 

Edited August 12, 2025 by Venandi

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

Gaza is wallin in on three sides an Israel controls the sea. It isn’t erroneous at all.

It's 100% erroneous. It's not a prison, they have absolutely every ability to create their own society and act freely to improve their economy, their way of life, pursue their culture, prosper economically. They've been given billions and billions of dollars in eight to do exactly that. And they can come and go as they please, people from Gaza regularly leave Gaza. 

It would be a stupid as claiming that because America is on one side of us and the rest is bounded by oceans that somehow Canada is a prison.

But instead of taking this freedom and doing something productive with it they spent billionsmassive effort digging terror tunnels and ripped out the water system piping that they were given and turned it into rockets.

Doesn't was no prison, gaza was a hell of their own making and that was a choice that they had. And not content with that failure they decided that they'd like to see even that pounded into rubble by picking a war

[herbie]

Australia has joined the call. 
I guess among English speaking countries only the USA is right and all the rest are wrong. As the same group here claims regardless of the subject being discussed.

[Army Guy]

22 hours ago, Aristides said:

After 78 years of this it should be obvious that the only possible solution is two states, otherwise we are in for another 78 years of the same.

Why do you think a two state solution is the answer ?...."Full" control over gaza was given to the palestinian authority and still the fighting continues, so a 2 state solution is not going to work.......Palestinians don't want a two state solution, they want the total destruction of Israel....The only solution Israel has not tried is total destruction of Gaza forcing palestinians to flee...

[Venandi]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

I guess among English speaking countries only the USA is right and all the rest are wrong

And among correct thinking progressives who've never heard of the Salah al-Din Road much less driven it, only they have a solution to the issues at hand... and of course,

1 hour ago, herbie said:

all the rest are wrong.

 When numbers matter more than rational Estimates of The Situation (EOTS), these guys can help... just call 1-800- HERBNOW for more details:

https://crowdsondemand.com

Edited August 12, 2025 by Venandi

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Australia has joined the call. 
I guess among English speaking countries only the USA is right and all the rest are wrong. As the same group here claims regardless of the subject being discussed.

Well Thats it then,if Australia joins' the coalition everything must be right " it is OK to give a terrorist state recognition of statehood"...I mean what could possibly go wrong....and like magic the fighting will stop Palestinians will stop being terrorist, no more tunnels, or using hospitals to store weapons and ammo, firing missiles from school yards...

The west has a long history of always being right....

[Legato]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Australia has joined the call. 
I guess among English speaking countries only the USA is right and all the rest are wrong. As the same group here claims regardless of the subject being discussed.

The Carney had to open his wandering gob and side with Hamas supporters.

Mind you, what do does anyone expect with a spine is made from re-cycled dildoes.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Australia has joined the call. 
I guess among English speaking countries only the USA is right and all the rest are wrong. 

wouldn't' be the first time. 

Unfortunately for you and the rest of the terrorist supporters, the usa is all it takes. Carney will be recognizing a nation of rubble. 

[User]

5 hours ago, herbie said:

Australia has joined the call. 
I guess among English speaking countries only the USA is right and all the rest are wrong. As the same group here claims regardless of the subject being discussed.

Austrailia is not getting hit with random indiscriminate rocket attacks and having their people killed, raped, and taken hostage. 

None of these countries, including Canada, would just sit around and tolerate this crap. None of them. 

[eyeball]

On 8/11/2025 at 1:44 PM, User said:

How is that a solution?

You think somehow mysteriously claiming the Palestinians have a state makes them stop hating Israel and wanting them destroyed? 

I think supporting a Palestinian state will provide an opportunity to influence it to recognize Israel.

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, User said:

Austrailia is not getting hit with random indiscriminate rocket attacks and having their people killed, raped, and taken hostage. 

None of these countries, including Canada, would just sit around and tolerate this crap. None of them. 

How many Australians or Canadians would tolerate immigrants and refugees taking over, forcing them from their homes at gunpoint and being killed for resisting?

Put yourself in their shoes.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

How many Australians or Canadians would tolerate immigrants and refugees taking over, forcing them from their homes at gunpoint and being killed for resisting?

Put yourself in their shoes.

We've been down this road before. And what you're saying is basically a lie.

None of that happened to the people living today, the people living today brought it on themselves. And they had a decision they could make, they could choose peace or they could choose death and violence.

Millions of people have been displaced over the years. If you hold on to that for 100 years and never move on to prosperity, then YOU are the problem.  

 

[Venandi]

Here's an update (previous posting) on that assault in Montreal. Ya, it's Rebel News, couldn't find the in-depth backstory I was looking for anywhere else.

I love the fact that police took full credit for their hard work in effecting this arrest... it was actually members of the Jewish community who worked the streets and located him based on still pictures from the assault video.

https://www.rebelnews.com/its_a_hate_crime_jewish_father_targeted_in_montreal_attack_brother_in_law_speaks_out

Happy "international cat day" Herb....

Edited August 13, 2025 by Venandi

[Aristides]

 

23 hours ago, Legato said:

Not my criteria but undoubtedly yours.

The Palestinians want all Jews dead, it's their twisted religion, that will never change.

The Jewish people have more right to be there than anyone else.

20% of Israel's population is Palestinian Arab, they have their own political parties and representatives in the Knesset. That region has been conquered and occupied by a myriad of of Empires and Arabs have been there since the seventh century.

There is an accommodation to be made here but both parties will have to want it. Unfortunately both sides have been hijacked by zealots.

[blackbird]

46 minutes ago, Aristides said:

 

20% of Israel's population is Palestinian Arab, they have their own political parties and representatives in the Knesset. That region has been conquered and occupied by a myriad of of Empires and Arabs have been there since the seventh century.

There is an accommodation to be made here but both parties will have to want it. Unfortunately both sides have been hijacked by zealots.

Could the Palestinians in Gaza actually be the descendants of the ancient Philistines?  I think the answer is yes.  Read this.

"

Topical Encyclopedia

The Philistines, an ancient people often in conflict with the Israelites, are prominently featured in the biblical narrative as adversaries of Israel. Their gathering against Israel is a recurring theme in the Old Testament, illustrating the ongoing struggle between these two groups.

Historical Context

The Philistines were part of the Sea Peoples who settled along the coastal regions of Canaan, particularly in the area known as Philistia. This region included the five major cities of Gaza, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Ekron, and Gath. The Philistines were known for their advanced military technology, including the use of iron weapons, which gave them a significant advantage over the Israelites, who were primarily agrarian and less technologically advanced.

Biblical Accounts

One of the most notable accounts of the Philistines gathering against Israel is found in 1 Samuel 17, where the Philistines assembled their forces for war at Socoh in Judah. This confrontation led to the famous battle between David and Goliath. The Philistine champion, Goliath, challenged the Israelites to send out a warrior to decide the battle in single combat. David, a young shepherd, accepted the challenge and defeated Goliath with a sling and a stone, leading to a significant victory for Israel.

In 1 Samuel 4, the Philistines gathered at Aphek to fight against Israel, resulting in the capture of the Ark of the Covenant. The Israelites, having suffered a defeat, brought the Ark from Shiloh, hoping it would ensure victory. However, the Philistines defeated Israel, killing thirty thousand foot soldiers and capturing the Ark, which they took to Ashdod.

Another significant gathering is recorded in 1 Samuel 13, where the Philistines assembled to fight Israel after Jonathan, Saul's son, attacked their outpost at Geba. The Philistines mustered a formidable force, described as "thirty thousand chariots, six thousand horsemen, and troops as numerous as the sand on the seashore" (1 Samuel 13:5). This overwhelming force caused great fear among the Israelites, leading many to hide in caves and thickets.

Theological Significance

The repeated gatherings of the Philistines against Israel serve as a backdrop for demonstrating God's sovereignty and faithfulness to His covenant people. Despite the Philistines' military superiority, God often delivered Israel through unexpected means, such as the faith and courage of individuals like David. These narratives highlight the theme of divine intervention and the importance of faith and obedience to God.

Cultural and Religious Impact

The Philistine threat played a crucial role in shaping Israel's identity and reliance on God. The conflicts with the Philistines underscored the need for unity and strong leadership, eventually leading to the establishment of the monarchy under Saul and later David. The Philistine wars also emphasized the spiritual dimension of Israel's struggles, as victories and defeats were often seen as reflections of the nation's faithfulness to God.

Key Verses

· 1 Samuel 17:1-4 : "Now the Philistines gathered their forces for war and assembled at Socoh in Judah. They pitched camp at Ephes-dammim, between Socoh and Azekah. Saul and the men of Israel gathered and camped in the Valley of Elah, drawing up their battle lines to meet the Philistines. The Philistines stood on one hill and the Israelites on another, with the valley between them. Then a champion named Goliath, who was from Gath, came out from the Philistine camp. He was six cubits and a span in height."

· 1 Samuel 4:1-2 : "And Samuel’s words went out to all Israel. Now Israel went out to meet the Philistines in battle and camped at Ebenezer, while the Philistines camped at Aphek. The Philistines deployed their forces to meet Israel, and as the battle spread, Israel was defeated by the Philistines, who killed about four thousand men on the battlefield."

· 1 Samuel 13:5 : "Now the Philistines assembled to fight against Israel with three thousand chariots, six thousand horsemen, and troops as numerous as the sand on the seashore. They went up and camped at Michmash, east of Beth-aven."

Topical Bible: The Philistines Gather against Israel

If you look at the red area in the map below, it was where the Philistines lived in ancient times.  It is exactly where Gaza is located.

 

 

[Barquentine]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

None of that happened to the people living today

 

You need to read a little more if you think 'settlers' haven't forcibly taken Palestinien's homes.

BBC 27 August 2024
Israel has approved a new Jewish settlement here, taking away privately owned land for new settler houses and new outposts have been set up without even Israeli authorisation.

Amnesty International:
May 15, 2025 — For decades Israel has been confiscating Palestinian land and demolishing Palestinian homes often to make way for the construction and ...

[eyeball]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

We've been down this road before. And what you're saying is basically a lie.

Nope, putting yourself in anothers shoes reveals a timeless truth.

[suds]

One simple question I'd like to ask these western leaders who so matter of factly support recognizing Palestinian statehood is what they'd do if they were in the Prime Minister of Israel's position. When you carry the weight of a nation's security on your shoulders it certainly could change your perspective.

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Aristides said:

 

20% of Israel's population is Palestinian Arab, they have their own political parties and representatives in the Knesset. That region has been conquered and occupied by a myriad of of Empires and Arabs have been there since the seventh century.

There is an accommodation to be made here but both parties will have to want it. Unfortunately both sides have been hijacked by zealots.

True. But only one side has 'other side must die entirely' as part of their official position. 

There can be no peace with that. 

if hamas laid down it's arms tomorrrow there would be peace. 

IF israel laid down their arms tomorrow there would be a new holocaust. 

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

True. But only one side has 'other side must die entirely' as part of their official position. 

There can be no peace with that. 

if hamas laid down it's arms tomorrrow there would be peace. 

IF israel laid down their arms tomorrow there would be a new holocaust. 

As long nothing changes for the Palestinians and they are cooped up in places like Gaza with no hope, there will b something else to replace Hamas.

Edited August 13, 2025 by Aristides