Far left activists and politicians look to bully, intimidate, harass Christian music artist and parishioners from exercising right to practice religion

[CouchPotato]

Just now, User said:

Point of fact, I have asked him that question many times... and he never answers. 

Well, Herbie doesn't like to let his left hand know what the right one is doing. He even spent weeks making an MS13-themed quilt for Kilmar Abrego.

[User]

7 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Keep them out too. 

Thank goodness, you are a bigot against religion in general, not just Christianity... 

[TreeBeard]

Just now, User said:

Thank goodness, you are a bigot against religion in general, not just Christianity... 

you’re in favour of imams calling for the death of your country?  You think that’s religious freedom?  Interesting. 

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Free speech isn’t in the Canadian Constitution. And you served in the Canadian military?  You seem very American. 

No one charged him with anything.  Having a concert isn’t a right in Canada.  

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The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (French: Charte canadienne des droits et libertés), often simply referred to as the Charter in Canada, is a bill of rights entrenched in the Constitution of Canada, forming the first part of the Constitution Act, 1982. The Charter guarantees certain political rights to Canadian citizens and guarantees the civil rights of everyone in Canada. It is designed to unify Canadians around a set of principles that embody those rights. The Charter was proclaimed in force by Queen Elizabeth II of Canada on April 17, 1982, as part of the Constitution Act, 1982.

 

Freedom of expression is in the Canadian charter of rights and freedoms  which is entrenched into the constitution of Canada..which forms the first part of the constitution act of 1982 ...And yes i was in the Canadian military, are you sure your Canadian, you seem very un Canadian...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_Act,_1982

Rights and freedoms

The rights and freedoms enshrined in 34 sections of the Charter include:

Fundamental freedoms

Section 2

lists what the Charter calls "fundamental freedoms" namely freedom of conscience, freedom of religion, freedom of thought, freedom of belief, freedom of expression, freedom of the press and of other media of communication, freedom of peaceful assembly, and freedom of association. In case law, this clause is cited as the reason for the religious neutrality of the state.

 

Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction. The right to freedom of expression has been recognised as a human right in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and international human rights law. 

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

What ever gave you the impression that leftists are against authoritarian control? You must be reaching decades back into your memory banks. 

I mean, you're not wrong.....

[TreeBeard]

19 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction. The right to freedom of expression has been recognised as a human right in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and international human rights law. 

This is nowhere in the Canadian Charter.  You copied it from a different wiki page.   

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, User said:

...there are a lot of folks on here that run away.

You appear too do that as well but often it's just a big circle and you never really go away at all.

[Army Guy]

5 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

This is nowhere in the Canadian Charter.  You copied it from a different wiki page.   

Yes it is....it is found in the first part of the constitution....you should read the source it explains it in english...and it is quite clear...

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The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (French: Charte canadienne des droits et libertés), often simply referred to as the Charter in Canada, is a bill of rights entrenched in the Constitution of Canada, forming the first part of the Constitution Act, 1982.

yes it came from wiki....if you read the source it also includes other sources other than wiki that you can check as well....this is basic junior high stuff, instead of you denying my links perhaps you can provide one that proves me wrong...

[TreeBeard]

18 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Yes it is....it is found in the first part of the constitution..

Quote the part of the Constitution that mentions “freedom of speech”. 
 

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/const/page-11.html#h-40

[CouchPotato]

19 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Quote the part of the Constitution that mentions “freedom of speech”. 
 

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/const/page-11.html#h-40

Fundamental Freedoms

Marginal note:Fundamental freedoms

2 Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

• (a) freedom of conscience and religion;

• (b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;

• (c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and

• (d) freedom of association.

 

You may not have realized this but speech is a form of expression, as are artistic media like a musician performing.

Edited July 29, 2025 by CouchPotato

[TreeBeard]

9 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

Fundamental Freedoms

Marginal note:Fundamental freedoms

2 Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

• (a) freedom of conscience and religion;

• (b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;

• (c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and

• (d) freedom of association.

 

You may not have realized this but speech is a form of expression, as are artistic media like a musician performing.

I know the Charter.  Freedom of expression is not American freedom of speech. 

[CouchPotato]

10 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

I know the Charter.  Freedom of expression is not American freedom of speech. 

Sadly, you are right about that. But not because expression does not include speech. It is that all the rights in the charter are only guaranteed to 'such reasonable limits'. So we have freedom of speech or any other form of expression to some arbitrary reasonable degree. That is the sad reality of the charter.

But once again, which of Canada's draconian speech laws has he violated in any of his performances? How has he gone beyond the bounds of expression allowed in Canada? There are tons of people who have previously espoused all kinds of views who are allowed to come to Canada. What puts this guy beyond the pale? I mean if we are talking about musicians many of them have done more than just espouse so called unacceptable things, but have broken tons of laws. 

Edited July 29, 2025 by CouchPotato

[TreeBeard]

21 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

But not because expression does not include speech

I didn’t say speech wasn’t part of the expression clause.  

 

22 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

How has he gone beyond the bounds of expression allowed in Canada

Don’t care.  Foreigners don’t  need to be charged with a crime to not be allowed to work in Canada. 

[CouchPotato]

6 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

I didn’t say speech wasn’t part of the expression clause.  

 

Don’t care.  Foreigners don’t  need to be charged with a crime to not be allowed to work in Canada. 

But on what basis should he have been denied. He had scheduled shows here didnt he. He has performed here before. So why should this be revoked. It seems there was no real standard here other than some people complained. And if that becomes the standard, then why can't anyone get enough people together and get any events they like cancelled? Foreigners aren't guaranteed any right to work in Canada as you say. So, if we got enough butthurt people to complain about some artist from outside of Canada that you might like, can we cancel him?

Here is one. Would you have been ok with Ozzy playing in Canada?

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[Moonlight Graham]

6 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Free speech isn’t in the Canadian Constitution.

Yes it is.  The Charter of Rights & Freedoms:

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Section 2:

Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

• (a) freedom of conscience and religion;

• (b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;

• (c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and

• (d) freedom of association.

 

Hate-speech has a very high bar legally.  Christians expressing opinions that are pro-life and against gender transition surgery or gay marriage should not be subject to hate speech laws, unless they're threatening violence or something else obviously criminally serious against those groups whose behaviours they oppose.

Also, there's MAGA Canadians in Canada.   There's no laws outlawing pro-Trump opinions in Canada, nor should there be.

This shouldn't be a left or right issue, it's an issue about government censorship and free speech rights and religious rights.   I think Trump is a POS but banning some MAGA lover from performing at a public venue is government overreach.   They used the public safety excuse (heckler's veto) because they know they can't ban the guy for his speech.

[Moonlight Graham]

55 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Foreigners don’t need to be charged with a crime to not be allowed to work in Canada. 

Very Trumpish of you.

[TreeBeard]

19 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Very Trumpish of you.

Are you for open borders then?

[CouchPotato]

11 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Are you for open borders then?

Did Sean Feucht illegally immigrate here?

[TreeBeard]

9 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

Did Sean Feucht illegally immigrate here?

No foreigner is entitled to work in Canada. 

[CouchPotato]

Just now, TreeBeard said:

No foreigner is entitled to work in Canada. 

Well, it's certainly not a guaranteed right, but in general musical performers are allowed into Canada from the US and vice versa. On what justification should it be any different in this case?

 

[User]

12 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

you’re in favour of imams calling for the death of your country?  You think that’s religious freedom?  Interesting. 

Vague, unactionable comments, as disgusting as they are, are still a part of freedom of speech. 

But lets be real... do you not like all religion in general or is it just Christianity?

 

[User]

8 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

No foreigner is entitled to work in Canada. 

Those disputes are settled upon entry, not because you don't like their brand of worship performance. 

[Michael Hardner]

9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Very Trumpish of you.

Right, but you are one of the few here who are against Trump and supporting this person's right to free express themselves.  I am more onside with you on this.

In all, I think this dofus should have stayed home.  He has legal recourse, ie. to sue the city of Montreal when he gets back to the states LOL.  I'm sure the Quebec judge will love this guy...

[Moonbox]

18 hours ago, User said:

Or maybe... just maybe... there are a lot of folks on here that run away.

Or maybe...just maybe...they think it's a waste of time debating with you, because you're not even a remotely reasonable person.  🙃

[User]

3 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Or maybe...just maybe...they think it's a waste of time debating with you, because you're not even a remotely reasonable person.  🙃

Perhaps... but you are incapable of actually articulating why I am unreasonable. 

You seem to be conflating your inability to support your positions with my being unreasonable for challenging them with facts and logic.