The very existence of Alligator Alcatraz reveals the Nazi mentality

[herbie]

Lectured by those who like their Presidential hero, have the morals of a pig.

[User]

42 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

What due process?  The whole criticism is that there’s no due process they are just detained and removed without trial. 

Name one person who is not getting any due process you were talking about. 

No one is just being detained with no end in sight or due process to speak of. 

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

As for the ICE snatch-ups of people when they dutifully show up to immigration court to plead their case, that’s a perfect example of denial of due process and the celebration of that cruelty theatre that’s another example of the fascist mentality.

I swear... you go from one ignorant dishonest comment to the next. 

They are going to immigration court to check in because Biden gave them a free pass to endlessly stay here. They are not there to plead their case. They have no case. 

They are here illegally and ICE shows up to deport them. 

They get all the due process they are afforded after that. 

For someone that says you don't support illegal immigration, you sure do keep arguing to support it. 

[BeaverFever]

27 minutes ago, User said:

Name one person who is not getting any due process you were talking about. 

No one is just being detained with no end in sight or due process to speak of. 

Lol are you serious?  The hundreds of people who have been snatched up detained and deported without ever seeing the inside of a courtroom. The poster boy being Kilmar Abrego Garcia, sent off to that El Salvador House of Horrors his dictator buddy is running for him. Are you so deep in your propaganda hole you’ve not heard of him?  Trump even had his minions photoshop gang tattoos on a picture of the guy and showed it on TV so he could claim the guy was a gang member. Amd the international students snatched up and deported as well. None of these people are getting a day in court.  
 

The Trump admin is even publicly doubling down saying people subject to removal aren’t entitled to due process.  It’s a redo of the war on terror when Republicans were basically saying people accused of terrorism shouldn’t have the right to a fair trial  And back then just as now republicans delighted with sadistic glee over news of people being tortured and waterboarded at GITMO and in the Abu Ghraib house of horrors where hundreds of innocent Iraqis were tortured

 

38 minutes ago, User said:

I swear... you go from one ignorant dishonest comment to the next. 

They are going to immigration court to check in because Biden gave them a free pass to endlessly stay here. They are not there to plead their case. They have no case. 

They are here illegally and ICE shows up to deport them. 

They get all the due process they are afforded after that. 

For someone that says you don't support illegal immigration, you sure do keep arguing to support it. 

 You don’t know what you’re talking about and you’re clearly not thinking through your responses. Why would these illegals be showing up at the courthouse in the first place if their intention is to break the law and they have no case?  These are people who are trying to follow the rules, they overstayed a visas because they have paperwork issues, maybe they missed a deadline or submitted the wrong forms and they applying for extensions. Or they’re asking to stay on compassionate grounds because they’re caring for someone who can’t look after themselves and so on.  I mean they’re snatching people up RIGHT AFTER they finish speaking to a judge who told them they were free to leave without detention.   
 

Due process means a fair trial and they are not getting that. 

[User]

45 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Lol are you serious?  The hundreds of people who have been snatched up detained and deported without ever seeing the inside of a courtroom.

Who?

45 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The poster boy being Kilmar Abrego Garcia

That was a mistake, not an example of the status quo. You were talking about visa overstays and mistakes at the border for normal folks traveling. So... who are those people not getting due process?

And Garcia is getting so much due process now, he can hardly stand it!

46 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Amd the international students snatched up and deported as well. None of these people are getting a day in court.  

Who?

The most notorious ones like  Mahmoud Khalil are in fact getting their day in court and have not been deported.

Even then, the argument was not just being deported if you are here as a guest, it was your absurdity about going to detention with no due process. 

48 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The Trump admin is even publicly doubling down saying people subject to removal aren’t entitled to due process.

Because people subject to removal have already had their due process... hence they are subject to removal. 

49 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Why would these illegals be showing up at the courthouse in the first place if their intention is to break the law and they have no case?  

I already explained this to you. Biden gave them a free pass. His administration turned a blind eye to their being here illegally as long as they were checking in. 

Some of them were here illegally and getting that free pass trying to become citizens and they used the court dates as a rouse to say sure, come on in, and then they get arrested and processed for deportation. 

51 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I mean they’re snatching people up RIGHT AFTER they finish speaking to a judge who told them they were free to leave without detention.   

Yes, pending cases that did not involve their status as an illegal immigrant. 

You know, for someone that claimed to not support illegal immigration, you continue to make a lot of ignorant and dishonest arguments about actually enforcing that.  

 

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, User said:

Yes, pending cases that did not involve their status as an illegal immigrant. 

No many if not most of these were at immigration court houses.  People applying for refugee status for example. Julio David Pérez Rodríguez was a Cuban national applying for refugee status at the Miami immigration courthouse when he was snatched for example :

 

”Pérez Rodríguez is one of dozens of immigrants caught in similar dragnets drawn in cities around the country since last week, as the reality of President Donald Trump’s mass deportation operation penetrates further into American families' consciousness.

Many of those who saw loved ones handcuffed and taken away had accompanied their family members to ongoing immigration processes seeking asylum or hoping to make a case before a judge to stave off deportation, a legal process long afforded to immigrants and spelled out for immigration judges in court practice manuals. 

 

The arrests are happening immediately after immigration cases are dismissed or closed, leading some people to express joy, give thanks in prayer or celebrate, only to have all that replaced by sorrow, fear and anger, as they are handcuffed and taken into custody, said Billy Botch, an observer who works for the American Friends Service Committee Florida, a social justice nonprofit formed by Quakers.”

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna209671

Edited July 15, 2025 by BeaverFever

[User]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

No many if not most of these were at immigration court houses.  People applying for refugee status for example. Julio David Pérez Rodríguez was a Cuban national applying for refugee status at the Miami immigration courthouse when he was snatched for example :

This story gives no details at all. If you go find some other links, it clearly says, ONCE THE CASE IS DISMISSED. 

He had his due process. He showed up, he tried, it was dismissed. Off to deportation he goes. 

 

[Venandi]

On 7/14/2025 at 1:59 AM, robosmith said:

No it's not. This one is in the middle of a SWAMP and hot as FL HELL. Also they're not going to hold up when the hurricanes come. Already FLOODED.  🤮

And you're LYING about knowing what Herbie thought about Biden detention centers.

Transient holding cells follow a pretty common / predictable design and haven't changed much from one administration to the next. With few differences, these were Obama era holding cells in design and intent, during that period all was fine with progressives and the media. They became inhuman when Trump took office the first time then quickly faded to "fine and dandy" under Biden. Now, predictably, they're inhuman once again under Trump.

The only thing that's changed here is the political rhetoric and selective outrage of progressives.

I've done two deployments under canvass in hotter places than Florida.... there's an app for that and I don't remember hearing progressives (of any stripe) bemoaning the conditions their military members lived under whilst "over there"... being a LIAR though I may have missed it; you and Herb were probably front and centre, leading the charge with your objections.

As to the camp location it comes with challenges and since you value honesty it's worth noting that the flooding was minor and not unexpected. In those conditions electrical issues commonly arise too because of water ingress... it's a known problem and  if we're being honest there's an app for that too. 

The location probably wasn't a first choice but it was available, close to civilization but still difficult to access and escape from. Progressive buffoons will have difficulty disrupting the camp and attacking ICE agents there. Those attacks (and the ongoing threat of more to come) were likely a major factor in the facility location assessment... so perversely, the people screaming the loudest about the location are actually the ones directly responsible for it becoming the venue of choice.

All of this is part of a predictable backlash and you had to know it was coming. The total buffoonery at the southern border over 4 years actually created it and backlashes (by nature) usually go farther than originally intended... just like the buffoonery that created the backlash in the first place.

Which leads to my final point:

I'm wondering just WTF you thought was going to happen here... you sound surprised all of this is happening and if you were to be HONEST, you really shouldn't be.

There are aspects of this I don't like either and personally, I blame people just like you for having created the backlash that spawned them. Buffoonery comes with a cost and your's is now hurting the very people you pretend to support with weak sister insults and name calling an anonymous political forum of all things, well done big guy.

How's that sh^% working for ya?

 

 

Edited July 15, 2025 by Venandi

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, Venandi said:

Transient holding cells follow a pretty common / predictable design and haven't changed much from one administration to the next. With few differences, these were Obama era holding cells in design and intent, during that period all was fine with progressives and the media. They became inhuman when Trump took office the first time then quickly faded to "fine and dandy" under Biden. Now, predictably, they're inhuman once again under Trump.

The only thing that's changed here is the political rhetoric and selective outrage of progressives.

I've done two deployments under canvass in hotter places than Florida.... there's an app for that and I don't remember hearing progressives (of any stripe) bemoaning the conditions their military members lived under whilst "over there"... being a LIAR though I may have missed it; you and Herb were probably front and centre, leading the charge with your objections.

As to the camp location it comes with challenges and since you value honesty it's worth noting that the flooding was minor and not unexpected. In those conditions electrical issues commonly arise too because of water ingress... it's a known problem and  if we're being honest there's an app for that too. 

The location probably wasn't a first choice but it was available, close to civilization but still difficult to access and escape from. Progressive buffoons will have difficulty disrupting the camp and attacking ICE agents there. Those attacks (and the ongoing threat of more to come) were likely a major factor in the facility location assessment... so perversely, the people screaming the loudest about the location are actually the ones directly responsible for it becoming the venue of choice.

All of this is part of a predictable backlash and you had to know it was coming. The total buffoonery at the southern border over 4 years actually created it and backlashes (by nature) usually go farther than originally intended... just like the buffoonery that created the backlash in the first place.

Which leads to my final point:

I'm wondering just WTF you thought was going to happen here... you sound surprised all of this is happening and if you were to be HONEST, you really shouldn't be.

There are aspects of this I don't like either and personally, I blame people just like you for having created the backlash that spawned them. Buffoonery comes with a cost and your's is now hurting the very people you pretend to support with weak sister insults and name calling an anonymous political forum of all things, well done big guy.

How's that sh^% working for ya?

YOU'RE LYING ^HERE. Sure you VOLUNTEERED for service that required you to endure inhumane conditions, and that IS NOT THE SAME as BEING FORCED for an INDETERMINATED LENGTH OF TIME.

NOTHING was done in a SWAMP that floods accommodations by ANY OTHER administration, LIAR.

 

[Deluge]

20 hours ago, herbie said:

Lectured by those who like their Presidential hero, have the morals of a pig.

herpes can't get his woke shriveled brain around the notion of border enforcement. He finds it so restrictive and racist. 

Just now, robosmith said:

YOU'RE LYING ^HERE. Sure you VOLUNTEERED for service that required you to endure inhumane conditions, and that IS NOT THE SAME as BEING FORCED for an INDETERMINATED LENGTH OF TIME.

NOTHING was done in a SWAMP that floods accommodations by ANY OTHER administration, LIAR.

 

There is no being "FORCED", robowet. Those illegal aliens had a choice to self-deport - they probably still do. 

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, robosmith said:

YOU'RE LYING ^HERE. Sure you VOLUNTEERED for service that required you to endure inhumane conditions, and that IS NOT THE SAME as BEING FORCED for an INDETERMINATED LENGTH OF TIME.

NOTHING was done in a SWAMP that floods accommodations by ANY OTHER administration, LIAR.

 

They're not forced. They can self deport at any time

[User]

10 minutes ago, robosmith said:

YOU'RE LYING ^HERE. Sure you VOLUNTEERED for service that required you to endure inhumane conditions, and that IS NOT THE SAME as BEING FORCED for an INDETERMINATED LENGTH OF TIME.

NOTHING was done in a SWAMP that floods accommodations by ANY OTHER administration, LIAR.

 

There is nothing inhumane about an AC tent. 

They remain as long as they continue to challenge their deportations. They are free to stop and accept deportation. 

 

[Venandi]

1 hour ago, User said:

There is nothing inhumane about an AC tent. 

Quite comfortable actually and much better than military ISO shelters IMO.

Strong opinion and zero experience seems to affect keyboard cap lock functions. Probably best to ignore critters like this as it's a waste of time talking to them.

I'll be following my own advice on that in about two minutes.

 

 

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

YOU'RE LYING ^HERE. Sure you VOLUNTEERED for service that required you to endure inhumane conditions, and that IS NOT THE SAME as BEING FORCED for an INDETERMINATED LENGTH OF TIME.

NOTHING was done in a SWAMP that floods accommodations by ANY OTHER administration, LIAR.

You and people like you are directly responsible for everything that has occurred in the form of backlash. What did you think was going to happen? 

You rolled out the welcome mat and encouraged illegals to come in droves, you ignored your own immigration laws and you created sanctuary cities (and entire states) in order to break those laws with impunity whilst thwarting any and all attempts at lawful enforcement. 

You went way too far with it, way beyond what you could hope to support or expect others to support. Then predictably, and as Flyer would happily say YOU LOST... and no amount of nastiness or cap locked insults is going to change that in the short term.

The swamp was as much to keep you out as it was to keep them in temporarily.... the selection of that site is actually on you. Without buffoons attacking facilities and assaulting federal officers enforcing your own laws it would never have been necessary. Anyone with the intellect of a goldfish (could and should) have anticipated this backlash... especially the raving buffoons who caused it. 

 

 

Edited July 15, 2025 by Venandi

[robosmith]

5 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Quite comfortable actually and much better than military ISO shelters IMO.

Strong opinion and zero experience seems to affect keyboard cap lock functions. Probably best to ignore critters like this as it's a waste of time talking to them.

I'll be following my own advice on that in about two minutes.

 

 

You and people like you are directly responsible for everything that has occurred in the form of backlash. What did you think was going to happen? 

You rolled out the welcome mat and encouraged illegals to come in droves, you ignored your own immigration laws and you created sanctuary cities (and entire states) in order to break those laws with impunity whilst thwarting any and all attempts at lawful enforcement. 

You went way too far with it, way beyond what you could hope to support. Then predictably, and as Flyer would happily say (to much applause) YOU LOST... and no amount of nastiness or cap locked insults is going to change thatcin the short term.

The swamp was as much to keep you out as it was to keep them in temporarily.... the selection of that site is actually on you. Without buffoons attacking facilities and assaulting federal officers enforcing your own laws it would never have been necessary. Anyone with the intellect of a goldfish (could and should) have anticipated this backlash... especially the raving buffoons who envcaused it. 

Sorry (not) ^this OPINION means NOTHING because you have NO CREDENTIALS to make ^these judgements and NOT CITED ANY CREDENTIALED EXPERTS WHO DO.

US residents have the RIGHT to consult with counsel.

[Legato]

7 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Sorry (not) ^this OPINION means NOTHING because you have NO CREDENTIALS to make ^these judgements and NOT CITED ANY CREDENTIALED EXPERTS WHO DO.

US residents have the RIGHT to consult with counsel.

So please do tell us about your own credentials.

Are they the ones in the pot puddin jar you keep under the stairs, or is that them poking out of the rusty cocoa tin?

We are all waiting for your exit from the closet.

 

Edited July 15, 2025 by Legato
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[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

So please do tell us about your own credentials.

Are they the ones in the pot puddin jar you keep under the stairs, or is that them poking out of the rusty cocoa tin?

We are all waiting for your exit from the closet.

 

Why? Are you disputing that US residents have the right to consult with counsel?

Have you ever heard of the Miranda rights? LMAO

[Boges]

On 7/13/2025 at 4:31 PM, Venandi said:

Not the first taste of it by a long shot; actually, it's Indistinguishable from the Biden era youth detention centres you previously thought were A-OK... 

As long as rampant polarization prevails you will "reap what you sow" and you'll do it in spades.

Cool eh?

Even if that was true. Which I doubt it is. Biden didn't do a defacto ribbon cutting and start selling merch. 

Cruelty is the point. 

[gatomontes99]

9 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Why? Are you disputing that US residents have the right to consult with counsel?

Have you ever heard of the Miranda rights? LMAO

ROBIN: Holly big moves batman! Those goal posts are on another continent!

BATMAN: Yes Robin. The weak minded always change the topic when they've lost an argument. Its up to us to set it straight. To the Bat Mobile! 

[gatomontes99]

You guys totally heard Adam West in that last post. I know you did. 

[User]

52 minutes ago, Boges said:

Even if that was true. Which I doubt it is. Biden didn't do a defacto ribbon cutting and start selling merch. 

Cruelty is the point. 

They have set standards to adhere to, and these facilities were built to those. Cruelty would be leaving them out in the sun on the runway with no shelter, beds, or toilets. 

You people have no idea what cruelty is. 

 

[Boges]

5 minutes ago, User said:

They have set standards to adhere to, and these facilities were built to those. Cruelty would be leaving them out in the sun on the runway with no shelter, beds, or toilets. 

You people have no idea what cruelty is. 

Well even the Nazi's had standard right? 

[User]

12 minutes ago, Boges said:

Well even the Nazi's had standard right? 

Sure, so I guess you are a Nazi if you have standards? So... literally everyone in the world is a Nazi... 

I swear, you people come up with the dumbest shit. 

 

[gatomontes99]

37 minutes ago, User said:

Sure, so I guess you are a Nazi if you have standards? So... literally everyone in the world is a Nazi... 

I swear, you people come up with the dumbest shit. 

 

Nazis drank water and we drink water! We are Nazis! 

Could you guys be any more hyperbolic? You are rounding the corner to insanity. 

[Boges]

16 hours ago, User said:

Sure, so I guess you are a Nazi if you have standards? So... literally everyone in the world is a Nazi... 

I swear, you people come up with the dumbest shit. 

Yeah, make-shift concentration camps to mass deport people isn't something the Nazis did or anything. 

[User]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

Yeah, make-shift concentration camps to mass deport people isn't something the Nazis did or anything. 

Well, first, these are not concentration camps. You are cheapening the significance of the holocaust, using the tragic disgusting and systematic deaths of millions of Jews, to score cheap political points here. 

Second, Hitler and the Nazi's were not merely engaged in enforcing immigration law against illegal immigrants either. 

I mean, seriously, man, grow up. 

[Legato]

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

Yeah, make-shift concentration camps to mass deport people isn't something the Nazis did or anything. 

Correct.