Trump announces 35% tariffs on Canada starting Aug. 1

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, paxamericana said:

No, your premise for Canadian independence is that Canada is a sovereign entity yet it it relies heavily on exporting to the US while putting up it's own trade barrier. If you want to be a sovereign country then pay for it. Like literally, pay for a military, pay the tariff import cost. If your economy tank because of said trade barrier well I guess that's just the inconvenience it cost to having a sovereign country. Just don't complain about it . 

We're not complaining. And some of that is a fair point and in fact Canadians have acknowledged that. We're increasing our military spending by almost 100 percent this year and plan on more than doubling that in the years to come. 

But that's not our issue.

Fact is you could not have had better neighbors to help you build your country in Canada has been to you. We've been there through most of your wars, even though you sat on the sidelines for much of it. We've given you access to cheap energy, cheap oil, cheap materials and minerals, we've given you access to our strategic lands and waterways, we've protected your people abroad when other forces would threaten them, we've stood by you through thick and thin, and this was after you invaded our lands and tried to take us over the first time we had to burn your white house down to teach you to smarten up.

In fairness your white house at the time was pink. I feel like maybe we did you a favor. The new ones very nice by the way

We send our fire bombers when your states are burning. We send our warships full of supplies and are famous gsar teams when your city's flood. When terrorists attack your land and your planes can't get to your own airports we took your people in and cared for them no questions asked, no concern for our own safety, and no one asked you to pay a nickel for it.

And we get that there's going to be trade disputes, that's a part of the game

But instead you stabbed us in the back. You broke your word, and like a cowardly bunch abuseless rodents you tried to threaten our home and broke your agreements with us to try and twist us into doing what you wanted

 

That's the kind of people you are.  Pathetic. 

So yeah, we'll take our lumps for having trusted you and we'll find new markets and we will be just fine.

But make no mistake, you are going to suffer and if you ever come across the line in violence looking to take us over we will absolutely destroy you the same as we did the first time. Make sure to take a few pictures of your white house for the history books. 

All Americans should be deeply ashamed right now. Not because of the tariffs, but the threats and the disrespect to people who have been your best friends is Unforgivable.

Edited July 15, 2025 by CdnFox

[paxamericana]

34 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But instead you stabbed us in the back. You broke your word, and like a cowardly bunch abuseless rodents you tried to threaten our home and broke your agreements with us to try and twist us into doing what you wanted

How has the United State stab Canada? It's a trade negotiation, ongoing I might add. Levers are being pulled by the parties involved. Orange man hasn't even joked about invading you. 

38 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

absolutely destroy you the same as we did the first time.

I don't think anyone actually believes Canada is able or willing. 

 

39 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Not because of the tariffs, but the threats and the disrespect to people who have been your best friends is Unforgivable.

What threat? It's a reality, if we wanted to, there's nothing you can do to stop us. This was Canada's choice, to rely on American security. Codependency has a habit of creating bitterness. Seek help. 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

How has the United State stab Canada?

Breaking their word an agreement that trump himself made only a couple of years ago

. Threatening our sovereignty. That's probably the worst. Anything else could be forgiven but after all we've been through for you guys to turn around and threaten our country is Unforgivable

And orange man has absolutely sad that he was going to ruin us financially and deliberately in order to take us over.

You don't do that to an ally. You don't do that to somebody who took your people in when the rest of the world was threatening them.  You don't do that to people who have marched beside you in war after war after war. You just don't do that. 

5 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

I don't think anyone actually believes Canada is able or willing. 

That's what they said the first time. Go ahead, f*ck around and find out

6 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

What threat? It's a reality, if we wanted to, there's nothing you can do to stop us

Try it biatch

And it's pretty obvious that trump wants to take Canada over and is willing to hurt us financially to try and make that happen

Like I said, you don't do that to people who have stood beside you through thick and thin through fire and hell. You want to have a trade disagreement? That's fine. But this went way over that line. And if you can't figure that out then you're a shit person, you're the kind of person that would steal from a friend

[paxamericana]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That's what they said the first time. Go ahead, f*ck around and find out

Try it biatch

How un-neighbourly. It's a good thing we have another more amenable neighbour to our South. We'll send more business to them instead. Canada can sit in the corner there and chill out. 

 

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Breaking their word an agreement that trump himself made only a couple of years ago

This is a false narrative, if you read the fine print, clearly allows the president to put up tariff under national emergency say from drug or migrant crossing into US border from Canada. 

Edited July 15, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

How un-neighbourly. It's a good thing we have another more amenable neighbour to our South

Oh you mean the one sending millions of criminals across your border all the time? The one that you're spending an immense fortune and massive amounts of energy to get rid of all the ones who snuck across?

Yeah sure. Great thing

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 We'll send more business to them instead. Canada can sit in the corner there and chill out. 

No you won't. You still desperately need our oil, our lumber, our water, our power, there's nothing you can do about it.

The problem for you is that we're going to build Pipelines and start selling to other people. Historically America has always had first choice, but that's probably coming to an end

Which means you'll pay more, your businesses will cost more, you'll do less well, you'll have less employment, and a lower standard of living.

And we're fine with that

6 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

This is a false narrative, if you read the fine print, clearly allows the president to put up tariff under national emergency say from drug or migrant crossing into US border from Canada. 

Nope, complete lie. Hell your own people have admitted it.

The fact that you have to lie to make your case kind of proves my point nicely

[Legato]

12 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

How un-neighbourly. It's a good thing we have another more amenable neighbour to our South. We'll send more business to them instead. Canada can sit in the corner there and chill out. 

 

Chili Pepper does not make the wheels on the bus go round and around.

[paxamericana]

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Nope, complete lie.

"The International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) provides the President broad authority to regulate a variety of economic transactions following a declaration of national emergency. "

https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R45618#:~:text=The International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) provides the President,of U.S. Cold War strategy.

 

https://www.internationaltradeinsights.com/2025/03/president-exempts-usmca-compliant-goods-from-ieepa-tariffs-against-canada-and-mexico-starting-march-7/

President Trump announced the amendment of the Executive Orders issued on February 2, 2025 imposing tariffs on Canada and Mexico to exclude goods that qualify for preferential treatment under the United States-Mexico-Canada Free Trade Agreement (USMCA). 

 

Says there no lies were given, and your negotiated goods under USMCA are exempt. Gota read the fine print.

33 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No you won't. You still desperately need our oil, our lumber, our water, our power, there's nothing you can do about it.

We're a net exporter for goodness sakes. We don't need your oil. We didn't need the Russians and the Middle eastern. Mmmkay. Your oil is being refined for other markets, we're letting you refine your product because you lack the capacity to do so at scale and get it to a port. 

[August1991]

Carney? Trudeau Jnr?

I wish we had a leader such as Mulroney who could say, "No, I stood up for my country!"

Trudeau Snr.

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Poilievre lost because he didn't play the nationalist card, he didn't stand up for Canada.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, paxamericana said:

"The International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) provides the President broad authority to regulate a variety of economic transactions following a declaration of national emergency. "

https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R45618#:~:text=The International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) provides the President,of U.S. Cold War strategy.

 

https://www.internationaltradeinsights.com/2025/03/president-exempts-usmca-compliant-goods-from-ieepa-tariffs-against-canada-and-mexico-starting-march-7/

President Trump announced the amendment of the Executive Orders issued on February 2, 2025 imposing tariffs on Canada and Mexico to exclude goods that qualify for preferential treatment under the United States-Mexico-Canada Free Trade Agreement (USMCA). 

 

Says there no lies were given, and your negotiated goods under USMCA are exempt. Gota read the fine print.

We're a net exporter for goodness sakes. We don't need your oil. We didn't need the Russians and the Middle eastern. Mmmkay. Your oil is being refined for other markets, we're letting you refine your product because you lack the capacity to do so at scale and get it to a port. 

In other words the word of an American is no good. Yeah, we know.

[herbie]

Mulroney & Trudeau Sr were the last with that kind of guts.
And all our leaders had the guts to accept their fates without whinging on for decades like babies. None had criminal records.
And The Blob hated Justin's guts because he was younger, smarter, better looking and didn't have to pay for nookie.

As for the Mexican President I can't wait until Trump blurts out something inappropriate to her face and she slaps him so goddam hard his wig falls off.

[paxamericana]

22 minutes ago, herbie said:

And all our leaders had the guts to accept their fates without whinging on for decades like babies

Just give up, give Trump the face saving victory. The guy is amenable. Your persistence on having your head held high is costing you an economic winter. The European, Russian, Chinese all figured out how to do business with Trump. Prideful Canadians just haven’t figured it out yet. Why is that? In a word, ego. The real problem isn’t Trump, it’s Canadians.

Edited July 15, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

27 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Just give up, give Trump the face saving victory. The guy is amenable. Your persistence on having your head held high is costing you an economic winter. The European, Russian, Chinese all figured out how to do business with Trump. Prideful Canadians just haven’t figured it out yet. Why is that? In a word, ego. The real problem isn’t Trump, it’s Canadians.

The Russian and the Chinese all told him to go pound sand.

[herbie]

You will now pay more for goods, and you're so damn stunned you claim that as a victory.

Duhh-yuhhh.....

[paxamericana]

5 hours ago, herbie said:

You will now pay more for goods, and you're so damn stunned you claim that as a victory.

Duhh-yuhhh.....

I trust presidential president Trump’s ability to wage a shock and awe trade negotiation on the world. He has done the math, he knows that the economic cost to wage this negotiation is relatively low for the United States. See unlike other president of the past, he doesn’t rule by beurocrats, he fires them and goes his own way, a stable genius doesn’t need guard rail. A true leader of not just America but the world. Canada is witnessing the dawn of the next great American age again. 

Edited July 15, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, paxamericana said:

I trust presidential president Trump’s ability to wage a shock and awe trade negotiation on the world. 

Shock and awe  in the financial market leads to recession. Mark is like stability, they want things they can count on.

[Boges]

The TACO principal still applies. 

We've seen this 3 or 4 times already this year alone. An arbitrary deadline is set. Trump blows past it. Tariffs go into place, markets tank, he sets a new deadline. 

The goal here is instability. 

The world has already started to look to forge new alliances. The American economy will still need to import goods. On Friday I saw posts bragging about the revenue brought in by tariffs. If they're making that much money then 1) The US consumer is baring the cost 2) Manufacturing jobs aren't being created. 

You can't raise the price of steel and aluminum 50% and not see prices go up exponentially. 

[paxamericana]

20 minutes ago, Boges said:

The goal here is instability. 

Stable genius Trump is playing 4-D chess. He wants to encourage local manufacturing. Trade instability is a feature not a bug. 

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Stable genius Trump is playing 4-D chess. He wants to encourage local manufacturing. Trade instability is a feature not a bug. 

Bragging about the revenue generated with this is doing the opposite. 

Even upping tariffs on stuff like Copper, Aluminum and Steel by 50% plus doesn't necessarily help the US consumer because it creates a supply shortage of domestic products driving up those prices. 

[paxamericana]

4 minutes ago, Boges said:

Bragging about the revenue generated with this is doing the opposite. 

Even upping tariffs on stuff like Copper, Aluminum and Steel by 50% plus doesn't necessarily help the US consumer because it creates a supply shortage of domestic products driving up those prices. 

 If anything miners and processors would be banking on getting a plant up and running at a 50% increase in price for companies.

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

 If anything miners and processors would be banking on getting a plant up and running at a 50% increase in price for companies.

The irony is that you may gain jobs producing the raw materials while lose jobs because the companies that use said raw materials become uncompetitive. 

I'm looking at the Auto Industry, amongst many. 

Edited July 15, 2025 by Boges

[paxamericana]

13 minutes ago, Boges said:

The irony is that you may gain jobs producing the raw materials while lose jobs because the companies that use said raw materials become uncompetitive. 

I'm looking at the Auto Industry, amongst many. 

I can’t rule that possibility out if we were living by rules 10 years ago but we are not. Americans have no other option but to buy at higher prices even if American made companies are not globally competitive. We have no other option, we have embarked on weening off the chinesium. So I acknowledge the inflationary pressure that are applied. 

Edited July 15, 2025 by paxamericana

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

 So I acknowledge the inflationary pressure that are applied. 

Well that's more sense than 45/47 and his lapdogs have. They want rates to drop. News out today that inflation is up to 3% in June. 

It begins!!! 

Edited July 15, 2025 by Boges

[paxamericana]

Just now, Boges said:

Well that's more sense than 45/47 and his lapdogs have. They want rates to drop. News out today that inflation is up to 3% in June. 

It begins!!! 

Again, this is the price of not using chinesium. 

[LinkSoul60]

2 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Americans have no other option but to buy at higher prices even if American made companies are not globally competitive.

That's Maga logic...   Beside immigration, wasn't the core message during the election was that the cost of living is too high (all Biden's fault) and the mandate given to Trump was to address affordability?  Too funny, now inflation is cool because it's going to be Trump inflation. 

Your manufacturing isn't coming back....  unemployment has generally been in the 4% range which says the US has moved on.

[Aristides]

MAGATS want to turn the clock back to the 1950's when the US basically had no competition. The world has moved on, the US is very important but not essential to the world economy.  The US represents less than 15% of China's total exports. Very important but not essential.