Trump announces 35% tariffs on Canada starting Aug. 1

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Automation is the main goal

Along with creating millions of new unemployed welfare queens apparently.

Is no one tasked with thinking these things through?

[paxamericana]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Along with creating millions of new unemployed welfare queens apparently.

Is no one tasked with thinking these things through?

Yes, we are in the planning phase. There will be material abundance but a shortage of spiritual purpose. Most people derive their purpose from their labour. That is the problem set. Luckily there are a few dusty written manual on how to acquire spiritual purpose. 

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Automation is the main goal. We actually need more high skill labour than low skill for this enterprise. The average pay for AI PhD now stands at 300k fresh out of school. 

But that's the opposite of what you've been saying and what you've claimed trump's goal was.

1 minute ago, paxamericana said:

Yes, we are in the planning phase. There will be material abundance but a shortage of spiritual purpose. Most people derive their purpose from their labour. That is the problem set. Luckily there are a few dusty written manual on how to acquire spiritual purpose. 

Deriving your purpose from your labor then you're nothing more than a automaton. Robots derive their purpose from their labor not humans. For humans labor serves a purpose, labor doesn't define the purpose

[paxamericana]

18 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But that's the opposite of what you've been saying and what you've claimed trump's goal was.

Of what, bringing back manufacturing? There is a short term labor shortage to build out these factories but once they are up and running I don't expect Chinese style assembly line. It'll be automated. 

It'll be akin to semi conductor fabrication. The design and programming is high skill labour intensive but the actual assembly and production are all automated. 

But the elephant in the room is what to do with lower IQ people who don't qualify for those high skill labour jobs. 

I should note that the current American economy is service based and not manufacturing based. We're already equipped to handle automation better than most other countries as we outsourced our manufacturing to overseas in the previous decades past. 

Edited July 16, 2025 by paxamericana

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, paxamericana said:

Of what, bringing back manufacturing? There is a short term labor shortage to build out these factories but once they are up and running I don't expect Chinese style assembly line. It'll be automated. 

Will all the material abundance you mentioned flowing from AI be virtually free or so cheap that it might as well be or will people still be expected to give something in return?

You mentioned these dusty ancient spirituality manuals...do they contain a clue to what you're talking about?

 

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Of what, bringing back manufacturing? There is a short term labor shortage to build out these factories but once they are up and running I don't expect Chinese style assembly line. It'll be automated. 

But you stated his purpose was to bring jobs back, now what you're saying is the only thing that will be growing is the automation industry. So he won't be bringing jobs back.

And of all you're doing is automation why do it here?

You're contradicting yourself across the board, what you're saying doesn't make sense. Which means either you don't understand what trump is actually trying to do, or trump doesn't make sense. Either way you got a bit of a problem

[paxamericana]

Just now, CdnFox said:

And of all you're doing is automation why do it here?

It's simple really. The world is running out of eyeballs and fingers with the global mass retirement. So, if you were going to have to automate why automate oversea with an exposed and long supply chain that requires multiple input countries. 

[CdnFox]

Just now, paxamericana said:

It's simple really. The world is running out of eyeballs and fingers with the global mass retirement.

Well first off that's not true but second off if it was why would you need to worry about bringing manufacturing back? Still doesn't add up

And I've noticed the trend with you recently    when you get busted and you KNOW you're in the wrong you put the 'haha' upvote on the person's comment   It's like a dog rolling over and showing it's belly - you know you're beaten but you don't want to admit it so you play it off as funny  

not a big deal, I just thought it was amusing so I pointed it out.

In any case it's pretty clear you're making this up as you go. It's like watching a teenager try to come up with explanations for something he's done when his parents know the truth and they're just stringing him along to let him dig himself deeper   Very amusing!

 

[paxamericana]

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

For humans labor serves a purpose, labor doesn't define the purpose

And yet that is exactly what happens. 

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You mentioned these dusty ancient spirituality manuals...do they contain a clue to what you're talking about?

For some yes, if they choose to read it. 

[paxamericana]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well first off that's not true but second off if it was why would you need to worry about bringing manufacturing back? Still doesn't add up

And I've noticed the trend with you recently    when you get busted and you KNOW you're in the wrong you put the 'haha' upvote on the person's comment   It's like a dog rolling over and showing it's belly - you know you're beaten but you don't want to admit it so you play it off as funny  

not a big deal, I just thought it was amusing so I pointed it out.

In any case it's pretty clear you're making this up as you go. It's like watching a teenager try to come up with explanations for something he's done when his parents know the truth and they're just stringing him along to let him dig himself deeper   Very amusing!

 

Actually if you want to have a recent and familiar example of how this process plays out look at the Agricultural sector. We went from agrarian society where each farmer and his offspring tended to their field of cropsto a tractor farming thousands of acres. We moved off from picking cotton to the other modern jobs that are now available like the digital economy. But there is a growing trend, those job require higher and higher IQ.  

Edited July 16, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

And yet that is exactly what happens. 

it isn't. And if you're finding it is then you need to sit down and have a bit of a think about yourself

[paxamericana]

Just now, CdnFox said:

And if you're finding it is then you need to sit down and have a bit of a think about yourself

Yes the good book covers this process in detail.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Actually if you want to have a recent and familiar example of how this process plays out look at the Agricultural sector. We went from agrarian society where each farmer and his offspring tended to their field of cropsto a tractor farming thousands of acres. We moved off from picking cotton to the other modern jobs that are now available. But there is a growing trend, those job require higher and higher IQ.  

First off that happened almost 150 years ago or more, and second off that's not a trend. Occasionally technology allows people to get more done with less effort whether it's agriculture or anything else. But that trend did not actually create new jobs as much as it did force people to go work at other jobs.

So if that's the case why wouldn't you just create the other jobs instead of trying to force the jobs that you're trying to get rid of back?

To put it in perspective it would be like you arguing that we should be creating tons of agricultural jobs again so that we can automate them and move people away from it. Why wouldn't we just move the people away from it now Instead of creating jobs and then automating them so that they had to go do something else?

It's like saying you're going on vacation and then asking your neighbor to watch the cat and when they agree you run out and buy a cat for them to watch.    It makes absolutely no sense

If what you were saying was accurate then what trump should be trying to do right now is forced diversification. Creating new jobs and leaving the old undesirable jobs that you would want to automate in the hands of others or encouraging automation industry at home for future builds.

Bringing the jobs back only to get rid of them eventually is stupid.

3 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Yes the good book covers this process in detail.

Unless the good book you're referring to is "A modern guide to psychology and self-healing" I think you're going to find you still have a problem

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

It's like watching a teenager try to come up with explanations for something he's done when his parents know the truth and they're just stringing him along to let him dig himself deeper

So what's your answer for millions of unemployed due to automating the things they did? Scrape em off seems to be the majority view in the US at least.

Pax seems to think all they'll need to get by is an old dusty spiritual manual.

We could easily see this within 5 years according to some predictions.

Dario Amodei, the CEO of AI startup Anthropic, said in May that AI tech could destroy half of all entry-level white collar jobs and increase the unemployment rate to as high as 20 percent in the next five years. As of June, the jobless rate was at 4.1 percent.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ai-white-collar-office-jobs-b2788843.html

[paxamericana]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Bringing the jobs back only to get rid of them eventually is stupid.

You can't put the cart before the horse. You have to build those automation plant first! Then you can go work other jobs. This process takes time though , it's not something that will happen overnight. For some sector it will take decades.  

Look @CdnFox if you're going to be part of my fan club , re read all my post. They've been fairly consistent since I joined.

Edited July 16, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So what's your answer for millions of unemployed due to automating the things they did? Scrape em off seems to be the majority view in the US at least.

Well the thing is automating stuff generally doesn't actually unemploy people. the number of jobs in that sector tends to reduce and the people who are growing up looking for jobs train for different jobs because those ones aren't in demand. 

But Where displacement does occur The traditional and effective answer is generally extended unemployment benefits combined with opportunities for retraining and job placement. But like I said in most cases it's more of a slow process over time.

[paxamericana]

16 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Pax seems to think all they'll need to get by is an old dusty spiritual manual.

Yes I do actually. It's a instruction manual on how to act. From choosing what to eat to how to respond to an angry email. It's all there. DM me if you want to know how to turn 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish to feed 5000.

Edited July 16, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

You can't put the cart before the horse. You have to build those automation plant first!

That is stupid. There would be absolutely no reason for that. If your goal is to move to automation then the more logical response would be to build the other jobs and then as people are leaving the industry will be motivated to put in automation instead as the labor force dries up

But in any case it would still be completely unnecessary and even counterproductive to bring the jobs back to America First only then to have to pay to have those jobs eliminated and converted to something else.

You're not making yourself look good here bud, think it through. What you are saying makes no sense

5 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Yes I do actually. It's a instruction manual on how to act. From choosing what to eat to how to respond to an angry email. It's all there. 

Read it again cuz you're not doing great   

[paxamericana]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

would still be completely unnecessary and even counterproductive to bring the jobs back to America First only then to have to pay to have those jobs eliminated and converted to something else.

We spent an entire thread on explaining how Americans want their stuff that’s not made by Chinesium. Robots are more productive than human labor for manufacturing, automation is happening regardless of what I think. 
 

America’s economy is already dominated by non manufacturing jobs, so we unlike say the Chinese , are well suited for automation. There are no iPhone assembly workers to replace in the first place. That’s why this is a net positive increase in jobs , not decrease as you incorrectly premised.

Edited July 16, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

Just now, paxamericana said:

We spent an entire thread on explaining how Americans want their stuff that’s not made by Chinesium.

You didn't explain shit. You made a couple of declarations here and there but provided absolutely no evidence or reason or logic for it. And what you have presented an argument for is contradicted by your next argument

And your contradicted by trump. Trump said and wanted and ran on bringing jobs back, now you're trying to argue that it's not about the jobs they'll be replaced anyway. Then it's about how you want Manufacturing in America but nobody gives a crap if a machine is located in china or located in America, it's the same. The whole thing was about jobs. Supposedly. Now It isn't. In 2 minutes it will be again. You're having trouble keeping your story straight for more than two posts  

Sorry bud but you're clearly a puppy chasing his tail. Americans don't give a Flying Fig where their products are made and never have and there's zero evidence that they do now. They do care about jobs but the jobs trump is desperately trying to bring back to the US I'm not the kind of jobs that the US really wants when you think about it.

And you keep bouncing around between reasons why trump is doing this and none of them makes sense. What makes sense to me is he needs to raise tax money to pay for his deficit spending and he sees this as being a good way to do it

[herbie]

Let's think the same way! Tariffs good! If we put 1000% tariffs on Florida oranges growers will rush to produce Canadian oranges and thousands of jobs tending and packing them in Inuvik!

Duhhhh!

[herbie]

You seen the price of oranges lately? If you're eating less at $3.99+/lb it won't be hard to give up Inuvik oranges altogether at $250/lb 😀

[paxamericana]

5 minutes ago, herbie said:

You seen the price of oranges lately? If you're eating less at $3.99+/lb it won't be hard to give up Inuvik oranges altogether at $250/lb 😀

I wouldn't doubt Canadian Agricultural producer. I've seen medicinal crop grown in the dead of a Toronto winter. 

19 minutes ago, herbie said:

Let's think the same way! Tariffs good! If we put 1000% tariffs on Florida oranges growers will rush to produce Canadian oranges and thousands of jobs tending and packing them in Inuvik!

Yes when the tariff is quite high, so high infact that it became absurdly profitable. Say 1.8 Milllion a kilo. 

Edited July 16, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, paxamericana said:

I wouldn't doubt Canadian Agricultural producer. I've seen medicinal crop grown in the dead of a Toronto winter. 

 

?????? Are you talking about dope?

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Yes when the tariff is quite high, so high infact that it became absurdly profitable. Say 1.8 Milllion a kilo. 

I'd be more interested in putting an export tariff on our oil and electricity

Edited July 16, 2025 by CdnFox

[paxamericana]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Are you talking about dope?

And Fentanyl. Let's not forget the reason Trump had to put 35% tariff in the first place.