No One Loves the Bill (Almost) Every Republican Voted For

[BeaverFever]

7 hours ago, User said:

Well, if it helps, you first understand the dynamics of our political parties and the political spectrum, what many call the "establishment," and how it is anything other than just Republicans who drive up the debt massively. 

Folks like you only pretend to care about the debt when you can use it to make extremely biased talking points. 

 

 

LMAO your response is hilarious when you consider the defecits are always biggest under republicans especially when the Republicans control the white house, senate and house of representatives as they do now  

I don’t pretend to care about the debt. I’ve said repeatedly that there’s no reason to ever pay off the debt or even pay it down. I’ve said repeatedly while debt can become unsustainable beyond a certain threshold as long as that threshold is never crossed it’s a non-issue. 
 

Whats hilarious is that shrieking about balancing the budget and paying off debt is a PRIMARY PILLAR of conservatism and they shriek that anyone who doesn’t subscribe to their dogma is a Stalin-worshipping Davos WEF Communist Corporatist Atheist Islamist who secretly wants to enslave the world.   But in reality they’re the worst offenders at running deficits and increasing debt.

[paxamericana]

I think you’re overreacting here. Obamacare was extremely unpopular when it was first passed and became more popular as time went on. I see the same argument in this bill. Lower taxes mean more incentives to pursue economic activity and development. If it’s profitable for me to open up shop with lower taxes why would I not?

[August1991]

On 7/4/2025 at 7:30 PM, Shady said:

So much disinformation.  The Medicaid “cuts” are that illegals no longer qualify for benefits, and able bodied people are required to work at least part time.  Oh the horror.

Shady,

I agree. It is not clear what this budget is doing - except that there are no tax increases.

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Trump? Biden? Clinton? Bush?

No one can win an election against Santa Claus.

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Remember 2008? We Canadians are solid - except we live aside gamblers. 

Edited July 6, 2025 by August1991

[Legato]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

LOL no they don’t. Tens of Millions of Americans were able to afford healthcare under Obama’s budget. Trump’s bill takes healthcare away from tens of millions. Biden’s budget gave tax breaks for buying zero emissions vehicles. Trump’s budget cancels that and gives tax breaks for gun silencers   
 

Bush’s massive deficit was for his ginned up  fraudulent invasion of Iraq based on his administration’s lies and fabrications, that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians and thousands of American troops

Yeah but if your shoes wear out the Republicans spend on new leather soles, the Democrats on new shoe laces.

[robosmith]

53 minutes ago, Legato said:

Yeah but if your shoes wear out the Republicans spend on new leather soles, the Democrats on new shoe laces.

Republicans are NOT giving anyone new soles, and even if they did, they would be useless to anyone who doesn't have the skills and tools they need to attach them. 

WTH makes you believe you know ANYTHING about American politics, TROLLEGATO?

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, paxamericana said:

I think you’re overreacting here. Obamacare was extremely unpopular when it was first passed and became more popular as time went on. I see the same argument in this bill. Lower taxes mean more incentives to pursue economic activity and development. If it’s profitable for me to open up shop with lower taxes why would I not?

The only reason it was unpopular was because people were accustomed to buying CHEAP JUNK insurance and didn't like paying more for a plan that would not bankrupt them if they have a severe illness or injury.

Then they figured out they could afford better with the subsidies. 💡 

[gatomontes99]

18 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Republicans are NOT giving anyone new soles, and even if they did, they would be useless to anyone who doesn't have the skills and tools they need to attach them. 

WTH makes you believe you know ANYTHING about American politics, TROLLEGATO?

Lmao...I cant tell if you are following his metaphor or not?

If not, good gawd man.

If you are, you are claiming the American worker is incapable of providing for themselves. That's probably even dụmber.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO your response is hilarious when you consider the defecits are always biggest under republicans especially when the Republicans control the white house, senate and house of representatives as they do now  

 

We've been over this in detail. The republicans tend to clean up the messes democrats made and deal with their financial crap.  Except covid which you also tried to pin on trump  

Don't keep going with the same lies that have been disproved, come up with new lies just to make it interesting  

[eyeball]

15 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Why do Republicans always pretend they care about the national debt when EVERY single Republican president runs the debt up massively?

Look no further.

On 7/4/2025 at 6:19 PM, West said:

I love how it TRIGGERS the lefties.

[paxamericana]

41 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Then they figured out they could afford better with the subsidies. 💡 

And paved the wave to the legalized opioid epidemic. That's obamacare legacy, drug addiction and ratcheted up drug prices for the pharmaceutical companies. 

Edited July 6, 2025 by paxamericana

[robosmith]

5 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

And paved the wave to the legalized opioid epidemic. That's obamacare legacy, drug addiction and ratcheted up drug prices for the pharmaceutical companies. 

I'm sure there's a reason you've posted ZERO EVIDENCE for ^this ALLEGATION.

[paxamericana]

9 hours ago, robosmith said:

I'm sure there's a reason you've posted ZERO EVIDENCE for ^this ALLEGATION.

Are you intellectually dishonest or just too lazy to find out? Obama and democrat sold out to big pharma. Your childhood hero is a crook like every politician. 

Edited July 6, 2025 by paxamericana

[User]

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO your response is hilarious when you consider the defecits are always biggest under republicans especially when the Republicans control the white house, senate and house of representatives as they do now  

What is not hilarious, but becoming tiresome, is how you leftists repeat this lie over and over and over again. 

Obama was setting records for deficit spending at the time and when Biden took over he was spening more in deficit than Trump was... 

Like I said, this is just some partisan talking point for you. Just lies to push your usual leftist biased false garbage. 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, paxamericana said:

Are you intellectually dishonest or just too lazy to find out?

Now now.  Two things can be true 

[Deluge]

On 7/4/2025 at 12:51 PM, TreeBeard said:

Rich people love it as they’ll get richer.   MAGA people love it, but don’t know why.  

woketards hate it because, well, just because woketards hate everything. They wouldn't be woketards if they didn't have at least SOMETHING to b*tch about.  

[robosmith]

14 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Are you intellectually dishonest or just too lazy to find out? Obama and democrat sold out to big pharma. Your childhood hero is a crook like every politician. 

^LAZY debater LOSES EVERY TIME.

Your allegations are just BULLSHIT until you substantiate them.

[User]

8 minutes ago, robosmith said:

^LAZY debater LOSES EVERY TIME.

Your allegations are just BULLSHIT until you substantiate them.

Says the guy who runs away from just about every thread you have ever been in and then runs away from most of the posters on this forum who consistently call you out for being wrong and a liar. 

[Legato]

16 minutes ago, robosmith said:

^LAZY debater LOSES EVERY TIME.

 

Sounds like a Bo Burnham country song.

I thought you were into chamber pot music

[Shady]

17 hours ago, August1991 said:

Shady,

I agree. It is not clear what this budget is doing - except that there are no tax increases.

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Trump? Biden? Clinton? Bush?

No one can win an election against Santa Claus.

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Remember 2008? We Canadians are solid - except we live aside gamblers. 

I agree.  I’m not sure what it will take for some semblance of fiscal responsibility to return.  Neither party seems to be all that interested.

[robosmith]

8 minutes ago, Legato said:

Sounds like a Bo Burnham country song.

I thought you were into chamber pot music

I don't even know what that is, TROLLgato.

[Legato]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

 TROLLgato.

Is that the name of your skiffle group?

[paxamericana]

2 hours ago, Shady said:

I agree.  I’m not sure what it will take for some semblance of fiscal responsibility to return.  Neither party seems to be all that interested.

I would argue that both party are not able to. Both the largest generation, baby boomer and second largest ,millennials are looking to spend. Mainly because the baby boomer are retiring and need the welfare. While At the same time we are also finishing up the Cold War with China and Russia. The millennial are trying to reindustrialize with high tech AI investments in a post China world. In short both parties are going to be big spender. 

[paxamericana]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

^LAZY debater LOSES EVERY TIME.

Your allegations are just BULLSHIT until you substantiate them.

Would you like to be read to at bedtime as well? Your hero destroyed per your request. https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/obamacare-prescription-drugs-pharma-225444
 

[BeaverFever]

21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

We've been over this in detail. The republicans tend to clean up the messes democrats made and deal with their financial crap.  Except covid which you also tried to pin on trump  

Don't keep going with the same lies that have been disproved, come up with new lies just to make it interesting  

LMAO what the hell are you talking about?  You’re just spouting your made up nonsense without a shred of evidence again. The last time we went over this YOU hilariously lied and tried to claim Bush Jr ran a balanced budget when in fact he massively INCREASED the debt and never ran a single balanced budget  

And for the record Clinton inherited a weak economy from Bush Sr

Bush Jr  inherited a booming economy from Clinton

Obama inherited a completely destroyed economy from Bush Jr and much of the debt he incurred was continuing the TARP bailouts and other stimulus from the Bush recession….so a Democrat cleaning up a republicans mess, literally the opposite of what you claimed  

Trump inherited a steadily growing economy from Obama 

Biden inherited a struggling economy from Trump

Trump inherited a growing economy from Biden and has completely destabilized it  

So exactly what messes were Republicans cleaning up with their debts?  

Edited July 7, 2025 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

20 hours ago, User said:

What is not hilarious, but becoming tiresome, is how you leftists repeat this lie over and over and over again. 

Obama was setting records for deficit spending at the time and when Biden took over he was spening more in deficit than Trump was... 

Like I said, this is just some partisan talking point for you. Just lies to push your usual leftist biased false garbage. 

 

Biden’s largest deficit was $1.7T. Trump’s largest from his first term was over $3T. Biden only increased Debt to gdp ratio by 6 because economy was also growing , Trump increased it by 24% in just 1 term. 
 

in the chart below you can see that with the exception of Obama the Republicans are all at the top and the seems are all at the bottom, keep in mind Trump and Bush Sr were ONE TERM Presidents and much of Obama’s spending was continued Bush’s bailouts from the Bush Great Recession 
 

President         | % Increase in National Debt
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Ronald Reagan     | ██████████████████████████ 196%
Barack Obama      | ██████████████████         99%
George W. Bush    | ███████████████            72%
George H.W. Bush  | ███████████                56%
Donald Trump      | █████████                  40%
Bill Clinton      | ████████                   38%
Joe Biden (est.)  | █████                     24%

Edited July 7, 2025 by BeaverFever