We celebrate Canada Day while teaching our children to hate Canada

[I am Groot]

23 hours ago, cougar said:

Wow, that would have been impressive!   But they colonized it and turned it into s*t.

You think Canada is a sh*t country compared to the empty wilderness it was before?

[herbie]

It was empty before?
Then who taught the first settlers how to use a canoe, what you could eat and where the furs and bison were?
Who almost got wiped out by smallpox? Who helped us fight off the Americans?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

It was empty before?
Then who taught the first settlers how to use a canoe,

Nobody. They had boats before. Did you think they swam across the ocean?

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what you could eat and where the furs and bison were?

Actually The newcomers figured that out pretty quickly. But they allowed the first nations to come trade with them so the first nations did most of the gathering. But the first nations had never gathered such pelts prior to this in any kind of number. It was literally europeans the top the first nations to go hunting for beaver pelts and bison
 

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Who almost got wiped out by smallpox? Who helped us fight off the Americans?

 

The first nations were largely saved by efforts of the leader of the Hudson's Bay Company who spent a personal fortune trying desperately to keep his many of them alive as possible. And it wasn't the Europeans that brought that illness to North America as it turns out.

And sure, the first nations help fight off the Americans. Good job too considering the Americans treat their first nations a hell of a lot worse than we do

But the vast majority of the land was still empty. Sorry to burst your bubble but there was almost nobody here . About 200,000 people for a land mass that's still the second largest nation on earth. That's basically statistically empty

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

It was empty before?
Then who taught the first settlers how to use a canoe, what you could eat and where the furs and bison were?
Who almost got wiped out by smallpox? Who helped us fight off the Americans?

Probably Bedouin goat herders before they fled to Palestine.

37 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And it wasn't the Europeans that brought that illness to North America as it turns out.

LMAO!

Let me guess - whoever it was they were obviously lefties.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Probably Bedouin goat herders before they fled to Palestine.

LMAO!

Let me guess - whoever it was they were obviously lefties.

LOL no, but i'm sure any that were around attempted to exploit it for political points, same as today  

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

LOL no, but i'm sure any that were around attempted to exploit it for political points, same as today

So who brought smallpox to America?

 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

So who brought smallpox to America?

 

well if you mean north/south america, then the Caribbean people, who are of many descents and are not "europeans".  They probably got it from europeans  who got it from asia (home of all diseases it feels sometimes) or africa. Africa had strong infestations very early on (may have been an original source) and as they sold their people into slavery they shipped out smallpox with them unfortunately. 

It went from the Caribbean to mexico, and worked it's way up until it eventually reached canada. Slaves from africa and european traders would also spread it later on as there were outbreaks but it was already well established by that point. 

Eventually it got to canada. 

Much later russians would accidentally reintroduce it to british columbia.  But they're not really 'europeans'. 

So I guess the real question is why didn't you just look this up instead of having me explain it to you? Honestly you need your hand held so much

 

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2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So I guess the real question is why didn't you just look this up instead of having me explain it to you?

Yeah, we all know the drill. You say something astoundingly stupid and now you have to blame someone else.

 

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yeah, we all know the drill. You say something astoundingly stupid and now you have to blame someone else.

 

I see you're talking to your mirror again   That's your modus operandi  

And I see once again that when confronted with facts all you can do is freak out and be mad at other people

Next you'll say you were just joking all along and then you'll get angry and support terrorists for reasons that are unclear.

[eyeball]

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And I see once again that when confronted with facts all you can do is freak out and be mad at other people

So, have you run your interpretation of the history of smallpox in Canada by the Treaty Commission? I'm sure they'd be fascinated.

[CdnFox]

52 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So, have you run your interpretation of the history of smallpox in Canada by the Treaty Commission? I'm sure they'd be fascinated.

Feel free to let them know if you'd like. This is extensively documented and I have a difficult time believing that they would choose to disregard historical documents of that number and magnitude.

It's common knowledge so you're welcome to look it up yourself and pass it along to then if you'd like. Unless you're concerned that like you they'll just simply ignore truth facts history and documentation and come up with their own weird interpretation of known history,. 

Sorry kid, what I'm putting out there is established fact.

It's also a well-established fact that the hudson's bay company busted it's ass trying to help keep the first nations safe 

 

The Hudson's Bay Company (HBC) played a significant role in responding to smallpox epidemics in Western Canada, initially focusing on quarantine and later adopting vaccination as a more effective strategy. While early quarantine efforts were somewhat successful in slowing the spread, vaccination campaigns proved more effective in curbing the disease, particularly with the development of a territory-wide vaccination program in the 1830s. 

 

Early Response (Quarantine):

• Recognition of Contagion:

  HBC employees, like Matthew Cocking, recognized the infectious nature of smallpox and initially implemented quarantine measures to prevent its spread to Hudson Bay.
• Decontamination:

  Strategies included quarantining individuals and decontaminating clothing and furs.
• Initial Success:

  These efforts, while well-intentioned, were ultimately unsuccessful in completely preventing the spread of the disease. 

   

Transition to Vaccination:

• Discovery of Vaccination:

  The discovery of vaccination by Edward Jenner in the late 18th century offered a more promising approach. 

   
• HBC Adoption:

  Within a few decades, the HBC embraced vaccination as a key strategy to combat smallpox epidemics among Indigenous populations in their trading territories. 

   
• Territory-Wide Program:

  By the late 1830s, the HBC established a territory-wide vaccination program, distributing vaccines and organizing campaigns to reach remote trading posts. 

   
• Cooperation and Coordination:

  This program involved cooperation with Indigenous communities and trained Indigenous vaccinators. 

   
• Impact:

  The vaccination program significantly reduced smallpox mortality rates and contributed to the eventual elimination of endemic smallpox in Canada. 

[herbie]

It was the Chinese gold miners. And the railway workers. They brought smallpox. Yeah, that's it, that's the ticket......

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

It was the Chinese gold miners. And the railway workers. They brought smallpox. Yeah, that's it, that's the ticket......

So you can't deal with the evidence provided so you just act out like a tard   

It's about what we expect from you

[Legato]

6 hours ago, herbie said:

It was empty before?
Then who taught the first settlers how to use a canoe, what you could eat and where the furs and bison were?
Who almost got wiped out by smallpox? Who helped us fight off the Americans?

The Irish.

[CdnFox]

28 minutes ago, Legato said:

The Irish.

And man, do we regret it now. 

[TreeBeard]

On 6/29/2025 at 8:17 AM, I am Groot said:

…our 'elites' disparage on a daily basis?

Who?

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sorry kid, what I'm putting out there is established fact.

 

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

it wasn't the Europeans that brought that illness (small pox) to North America as it turns out.

It's astounding how willing you righties are to debase yourselves - once you've started you quickly double, triple, and quadruple down.

Your determination is epic.

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

 

It's astounding how willing you righties are to debase yourselves - once you've started you quickly double, triple, and quadruple down.

 

Yeah the truth is kind of like that   It's the same whether you hear it for the second third or fourth time. I don't change my story every 5 minutes like you do

And only the left would consider the truth to be debasing

It's pretty obvious that you realize I'm right considering you haven't offered a single counter point or contested a single element of what I said

It's pathetic that you clutch desperately so to your preconceived echo chamber notion that the white man is responsible for everything bad that ever happened anywhere to the point where you can't even acknowledge simple recorded facts in history.

Sorry to ruin your day with facts and truth. Hopefully you'll get over it

[eyeball]

18 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It's pretty obvious that you realize I'm right considering you haven't offered a single counter point or contested a single element of what I said

It's your first element that's at issue.

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

it wasn't the Europeans that brought that illness to North America as it turns out.

Like I said we all get it that the pain and agony of simply acknowledging this isn't a fact at all means you have to blame someone else for the things you believe.

But yeah, it's great that the HBC was so sympathetic towards indigenous people and tried to do something about the smallpox that Europeans brought.

[CdnFox]

58 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's your first element that's at issue.

Sure kid. That's why you produced all those cites that prove me wrong. Oh wait.......

58 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Like I said we all get it that the pain and agony of simply acknowledging this isn't a fact at all means you have to blame someone else for the things you believe.

Projecting again I see  

If I was wrong you would approved it but of course I'm right. Everybody can look it up and see that.

Looks like you're the one going through the pain in agony kiddo  

You could argue that many of the carribean residents were european (sort of) or that it was european ships that were infected in the carribean, but africa and the carribean is where it came from, having been introduced in the carribean almost a century earlier and africa had it going back into antiquity. 

And from day one when it arrived in Canada the Europeans working with the hudson bay company bought tooth and nail to fight it, and without their efforts there would be a lot fewer first nations people.

 

But of course the fact that it was the Europeans that actually saved the first nations in Canada and Prevented them from being wiped out entirely doesn't fit with your narrative so you just whine and cry like a biatch 

"Yes, smallpox was introduced to the Americas via the Caribbean. It arrived with Spanish expeditions, specifically with an infected African slave, in 1520. 

• Caribbean Origin:

  The disease is believed to have originated from Europe and was carried by the Spanish to the Caribbean, where it spread before reaching the mainland. "

   

  From there it gets carried at a later date to the Americas from ships that docked in the Caribbean and with some of the crew who were "recruited" (slaves) there. The smallpox that first was found on america was from the Caribbean. And the infected people were africans who'd been slaves in the caribbean. 

   

  Sorry kiddo  

 

Edited July 5, 2025 by CdnFox

[I am Groot]

11 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Who?

Left wing politicians, academics, media types, and the usual crowd of chattering classes.

[TreeBeard]

On 7/5/2025 at 7:11 AM, I am Groot said:

Left wing politicians, academics, media types, and the usual crowd of chattering classes.

You can’t be more specific than just saying a bunch of vague groups? 

[Michael Hardner]

On 6/30/2025 at 9:49 PM, I am Groot said:

It's got nothing to do with conspiracies. And what's tired is the Left labeling anything that contradicts them as 'conspiracy' while not bothering to read any of the cites presented to them.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jamie-sarkonak-education-student-punished-for-questioning-decolonization-sues-uwo

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/terry-newman-profs-call-out-their-association-for-left-wing-mayhem

https://quillette.com/2019/03/06/how-ed-schools-became-a-menace-to-higher-education/

They're like six or seven. They don't even know what a country is. So you're talk about how patriotic they are is horseshit, to quote you.

The conspiracy is right in the tag line "taught to hate Canada".

If you think there are problems with the system, or rogue teachers departing with the curriculum then those are serious issues to be dealt with seriously.  The first step in the discussion is to state the problem, and allow that we will be taking this seriously with parties that have strong and opposing views.

To state that students are taught to "hate" Canada is deceptive, at best, and not the way to start a serious conversation on this.  My kids have seen enough of this country to have an opinion on it, and they like it and appreciate it.

Nobody in the school system is "taught" to "hate" Canada.

It's a conspiracy theory, and I will continue to call it that until you take the discussion seriously.

On 7/1/2025 at 10:36 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

Happy Canada Day Michael.

And to you... 

[Michael Hardner]

On 7/1/2025 at 1:32 AM, Moonlight Graham said:

1. Whattaboutism.  Unity is an issue in this country.  It's hard to feel connected to a "team" when you don't know much about it, or feel ashamed of it.

2. No, the point of the 2nd PM is my argument that people know about our history of residential schools, but they don't know much about the rest of our history before the time of one's birth.  Young people know about the shame of those schools, but what else?  If they can't name the 2nd PM, what about the 3rd?  Or 4th?  5th?  6th?  Could they name any PM pre-WWI besides Sir John A (who btw we're made to feel ashamed of, see: cancel culture).  Do they know what any PM before they were born even looks like besides the ones that are on our money bills?   Is our money the main thing teaching us our history?

3. If you want a united country where provinces don't keep threatening to leave we might want to teach Canadians what this country is all about, where we came from, and why its matters that we're a team in he first place.

4. There's no getting through to a liberal-minded person though.  Your ilk are the ones who created this problem in the first place.

5. I'll quote the meme saying that isn't it pathetic how Trump united Canada more in a month than Trudeau did in 10 years?  We need a unifying national identity other than "We're not America".  If anything is old and boring, it's that.

1. No, it's not whattaboutism it's a statement on the way we collectively discuss problems.
2. I don't think anybody knows much about our history, young or old.  It's more like they know about general themes of what the history of the country is.    Maybe that's a problem, but it deserves a serious discussion not a conspiracy theory of left-lib teachers conspiring to make us hate Canada and destroy it.  
3. My guess is that the people designing the system are trying to do that.  You probably don't agree.
4. Keep throwing conspiracy theories out there, Graham, that will help things.  Keep making it about me, that will help things.  If you don't have the discipline to discuss issues with your opponents without saying they hate Canada, you won't be taken seriously and maybe that's a good thing.
5. I agree with you, but demonizing people isn't helpful either.

[Michael Hardner]

On 7/1/2025 at 11:39 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

Happy Canada Day Michael.

(PS I confirmed that below is a real post from Waterloo DSB from today).

 

 

"My ilk" would look at that and ask ... where exactly does it tell people to hate Canada ?

Answer: it doesn't.  

I invite you to attend a school board meeting and tell the audience that the school board 'hates Canada'... You can start your movement there, I suppose.  

If you want to reboot our little discussion and tell me what your issue is that, let's wipe the slate clean and do that.