National Guard and Marines about to be deployed to LA!

[User]

13 minutes ago, Boges said:

The stated goal is to deport 1 million people this year. It's quickly moved away from simply deporting criminals. 

Stephen Miller was angry that those goal aren't being met, he told ICE agents to go to Home Depot to try and snag day labourers.

This is not about safety, it's about reaching a quota. So they're snatching people off the street and figuring it out later. Last week there was a report of ICE detaining a high school student that came to the country when he was 5 while he was going to a Volleyball practice. This is inhumane. 

If Canada was doing this, I'd be appalled. It's certainly a big reason why tourism to the US is down, and why I'm not going to be eager to give them my tourism dollars anytime soon. 

The US is going down a very dark path. 

If you are here illegally, you are a criminal. 

ICE was not merely at Home Depot trying to snag some day laborers, they had lawfully executed warrants to apprehend certain people. 

It doesn't matter if it is about a quota or not, it is a federal law that is being enforced lawfully against criminals here illegally. 

You can be appalled all you want, I don't care. What you can't do is engage in violence and your arguments trying to support violence and riots will be called out for being wrong as well. 

 

[Boges]

1 minute ago, User said:

You can be appalled all you want, I don't care. What you can't do is engage in violence and your arguments trying to support violence and riots will be called out for being wrong as well. 

Right out of the fascism playbook. 

I'm sure the ICE agents weren't trying to incite violence themselves. 

[Deluge]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

Right out of the fascism playbook. 

I'm sure the ICE agents weren't trying to incite violence themselves. 

Boges is just pissed that his side is getting its ass kicked for breaking immigration law. 

[User]

32 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Are you saying both actions are equal? Murder is the same as theft because they are both criminal?

Are you saying we should not care if someone steals because it is not as bad as murder?

[Aristides]

12 minutes ago, User said:

Are you saying we should not care if someone steals because it is not as bad as murder?

I'm saying would you execute people or put them in prison for life for theft?

[User]

9 minutes ago, Boges said:

Right out of the fascism playbook. 

I'm sure the ICE agents weren't trying to incite violence themselves. 

You saying it is fascism doesn't make it so. What exactly is fascist with federal law enforcement enforcing federal law?

If you want to accuse people of inciting violence, look to the local liberal leaders who were all lying about how this was all peaceful, the local law enforcement that refused to show up to help protect ICE and other federal agents who were being attacked. Look to the local police who stood around and did not act to put down any of the rioting. That is on them to pretend it was not happening and then continue to ignore it. 

 

[User]

Just now, Aristides said:

I'm saying would you execute people or put them in prison for life for theft?

Who is talking about any of this? You might as well ask me if I want to send them to the gulag to waterboard them. 

What does any of this have to do with anything?

 

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

All Americans need to stop rioting.  All these rioters behave like fools.

Sure but that doesn't answer my question. 

[Aristides]

55 minutes ago, User said:

Who is talking about any of this? You might as well ask me if I want to send them to the gulag to waterboard them. 

What does any of this have to do with anything?

 

I wasn't the one equating illegal entry with looting.

Trump has been sending people to infamous Salvadorian prisons without any due process, some whom aren't even Salvadorian. What's the difference?

Edited June 9 by Aristides

[Army Guy]

11 hours ago, robosmith said:

Prove it with a legitimate legal opinion or cite the LAW. They are written down if you can find them.

WOW, that was hard. Are you suggesting that there is no law ? I take it you don't live next to the border, if anyone could just enter another country whenever they feel like it why would there be a need for border agents...Why would they classify them as "illegal" immigrants. You are American right ? I mean every American knows about illegal entry has consequences with law enforcement... And that there are laws that need to be followed...

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Whether it's by crossing the U.S. border with a "coyote" or buying a fake U.S. passport, a foreign national who enters the U.S. illegally can be both convicted of a crime and held responsible for a civil violation under the U.S. immigration laws. Illegal entry also carries consequences for anyone who might later attempt to apply for a green card or other immigration benefit.

The penalties and consequences get progressively more severe if a person enters the United States illegally more than once, or enters illegally after a final order of removal (deportation) or after having been convicted of an aggravated felony

 

https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/crime-enter-illegally.html

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/criminal-defense/is-illegal-immigration-a-crime-improper-entry-v-unlawful-presence/

[User]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I wasn't the one equating illegal entry with looting.

Trump has been sending people to infamous Salvadorian prisons without any due process, some whom aren't even Salvadorian. What's the difference?

They are both criminal acts. That is a fact. You have some issue with understanding this simple point?

Trump was following the law by invoking the Alien Enemies Act, that is being fought in the courts as it should be if there are issues with that. 

It is not a "criminal act" for the President to invoke a law and use it. 

 

 

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Are you saying both actions are equal? Murder is the same as theft because they are both criminal?

Your really reaching on this one, the law covers every topic and all crimes there is, are all crimes equal no they are not , but it does not take away from the fact they are crimes under the law, and punishable under the justice system...

[robosmith]

16 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

WOW, that was hard. Are you suggesting that there is no law ?

No, I stated outright that your personal OPINION means NOTHING because you're not a lawyer.

16 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I take it you don't live next to the border, if anyone could just enter another country whenever they feel like it why would there be a need for border agents...

In reality, I live within 30 miles of the US-Mexico border. 

16 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Why would they classify them as "illegal" immigrants. You are American right ? I mean every American knows about illegal entry has consequences with law enforcement... And that there are laws that need to be followed...

https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/crime-enter-illegally.html

From your cite:

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See an Expert

This article can help acquaint you with the laws affecting illegal entry. However, if you have entered the U.S. illegally and are facing court proceedings (immigration or criminal) or are hoping to apply for a green card or other immigration benefit, you should absolutely see an immigration attorney for a personal analysis of your situation. You might benefit from exceptions not described here.

16 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/criminal-defense/is-illegal-immigration-a-crime-improper-entry-v-unlawful-presence/

From your cite:

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Improper Entry Is a Crime

To be clear, the most common crime associated with illegal immigration is likely improper entry. Under federal criminal law, it is misdemeanor for an alien (i.e., a non-citizen) to:

• Enter or attempt to enter the United States at any time or place other than designated by immigration officers;
• Elude examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
• Attempt to enter or obtain entry to the United States by willfully concealing, falsifying, or misrepresenting material facts.

The punishment under this federal law is no more than six months of incarceration and up to $250 in civil penalties for each illegal entry. These acts of improper entry -- including the mythic "border jumping" -- are criminal acts associated with illegally immigrating to the United States.

Like all other criminal charges in the United States, improper entry must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in order to convict.

Unlawful Presence Is Not a Crime

Some may assume that all immigrants who are in the United States without legal status must have committed improper entry. This simply isn't the case. Many foreign nationals legally enter the country on a valid work or travel visa, but fail to exit before their visa expires for a variety of reasons.

Thanks for actually posting EVIDENCE and proving your OPINIONS are not reliable truth.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

The stated goal is to deport 1 million people this year. It's quickly moved away from simply deporting criminals. 

 

The only people they are able to deport are people who are not lawfully in the country. They are criminal by definition.

If they're legitimate people with legitimate credentials to be in the country then they can go back across the border and fill out the appropriate paperwork and become landed immigrants. 

[User]

33 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Thanks for actually posting EVIDENCE and proving your OPINIONS are not reliable truth.

And when are you going to start?

 

 

[Boges]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The only people they are able to deport are people who are not lawfully in the country. They are criminal by definition.

If they're legitimate people with legitimate credentials to be in the country then they can go back across the border and fill out the appropriate paperwork and become landed immigrants. 

I mean violent criminals, gang members and such. 

And these ICE agents seem to be rounded people up and asking questions later. They're breeding a culture of fear. 

[Army Guy]

32 minutes ago, robosmith said:

No, I stated outright that your personal OPINION means NOTHING because you're not a lawyer.

In reality, I live within 30 miles of the US-Mexico border. 

From your cite:

From your cite:

Thanks for actually posting EVIDENCE and proving your OPINIONS are not reliable truth.

Are you a lawyer ? Typical leftist bullshit, your opinion is not the same as mine, So STFU.... just to clarify a few things this is a forum, a place where you debate "opinions" and events happening around the world....you can take out of that what you want, it sounds like your looking for a more professional website this is not the place you're looking for. 

one does not have to be a lawyer to know that it is illegal to enter another country without approvals..got nothing to do with being a lawyer as my sources have clearly shown you...

Then you know already it is illegal to cross into the USA without the proper approvals, to do so is against the law....look at that and your not even a lawyer...

All my sources have clearly said it is illegal to enter and stay in the USA without the proper approvals...if it was legal why is your government rounding up so many illegal immigrants...why do they call them illegal immigrants, can you provide a source that states your government is acting in bad faith...i know your not a lawyer but try 

And you did not prove anything, being in the US illegally is a crime end of story, and persons can be deported by US law enforcement...

 

 

[User]

4 minutes ago, Boges said:

I mean violent criminals, gang members and such. 

And these ICE agents seem to be rounded people up and asking questions later. They're breeding a culture of fear. 

What "seems" to be happening and the facts are two different things, and you don't seem to care about facts here at all. 

 

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, Boges said:

I mean violent criminals, gang members and such. 

 

Ok, but i don't recall him campaigning on that.  I recall him saying that he intended to remove pretty much all illegals because SOME of them were like that and even recall a few suggestions that other gov'ts were including people they knew were like that among the border crossers just to get rid of them. But he seemed to suggest from the get go he'd get rid of all illegals to the best of my recollection. 

And it is a valid thing to say that once somebody has broken one of your laws to get into the country, how do you know where they will stop? We can say with certainty that they're willing to break the law, so which law would be too far for them?

Based on that it would be wise to deport those people because they've already demonstrated that they cannot be trusted. You don't know what law they would consider to be too far.

But in any case it seems that trump is exercising his mandate by by removing those people who are in the country in lawfully whether they are proven to have committed hardened crimes or the simple crime of entering without permission. Agree with it or not it's still a mandate

[Boges]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Ok, but i don't recall him campaigning on that.  I recall him saying that he intended to remove pretty much all illegals because SOME of them were like that and even recall a few suggestions that other gov'ts were including people they knew were like that among the border crossers just to get rid of them. But he seemed to suggest from the get go he'd get rid of all illegals to the best of my recollection. 

And it is a valid thing to say that once somebody has broken one of your laws to get into the country, how do you know where they will stop? We can say with certainty that they're willing to break the law, so which law would be too far for them?

Based on that it would be wise to deport those people because they've already demonstrated that they cannot be trusted. You don't know what law they would consider to be too far.

But in any case it seems that trump is exercising his mandate by by removing those people who are in the country in lawfully whether they are proven to have committed hardened crimes or the simple crime of entering without permission. Agree with it or not it's still a mandate

That includes people who came here as children and people getting detained attending meetings so they can try to stay in the country legally. 

As this continues there'll be more innocent people swept up in storm to meet some arbitrary quota. 

[WestCanMan]

On 6/8/2025 at 8:27 AM, Aristides said:

Meanwhile Canadian MAGAT's will babble on about having to life in a police state.

FYI:

• The police here were flexing on people who hadn't committed any crimes. People were stripped of basic rights and forced to take dangerous drugs. That's why Canada is considered a police state.
• You're talking about the police in the US going after people who knowing violated basic laws which everyone implicitly understands in every country and in every language on earth. That's not "police state" type of activity. Criminals expect the police to come for them. There's a whole police dep't dedicated to doing that job.

[herbie]

Note how the fascists of the forum rush to defend their Orange Overlord.

Specially the ones decended from those who started their own War of Independence over the then govt sending the Army to shoot rioters.
And those women surrounded by cameras wearing PRESS ID. Yeah she was an Aussie illegal drug trafficker rapist stealer of FOX news jobs....

Another few days until Donnie can swell his chest over a Kent State like killing spree and the so called upholders of the Constitution Guardsmen can plead they were only doing their job and following orders.

[User]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

That includes people who came here as children and people getting detained attending meetings so they can try to stay in the country legally. 

As this continues there'll be more innocent people swept up in storm to meet some arbitrary quota. 

They are here illegally. If they want to be here lawfully, there is a process for that where they apply from their home countries. 

The fact that the last administration chose not to enforce the law and just let these folks endlessly check in, doesn't make them here lawfully. 

It just means that the last administration didn't care about enforcing laws and let this madness happen and build up. Now Trump is going to fix it. 

If you are here illegally, you are not "innocent"

[User]

34 minutes ago, herbie said:

Note how the fascists of the forum rush to defend their Orange Overlord.

Specially the ones decended from those who started their own War of Independence over the then govt sending the Army to shoot rioters.
And those women surrounded by cameras wearing PRESS ID. Yeah she was an Aussie illegal drug trafficker rapist stealer of FOX news jobs....

Another few days until Donnie can swell his chest over a Kent State like killing spree and the so called upholders of the Constitution Guardsmen can plead they were only doing their job and following orders.

What a rambling bunch of ignorant drivel. 

It was the LAPD that shot that journalist, nothing to do with Trump. Take it up with them. Never mind, perhaps you should not stage your camera and position right in front of an active police line firing on people who are refusing to obey lawful commands to disperse and back up. 

Just like the id1ots who bring their kids to violent rioting and then cry when they get hit with a tear gas canister fired their way. 

 

[herbie]

Says our resident goose stepper. Shnell! Get into ze cattle car with se others!