blackbird Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 (edited) The Premiers and PM are meeting today to try to reach agreement on making Canada an economic powerhouse in the face of Trump's tariffs. Canadians want to see Canada diversify and find other markets in the world. I think most Premiers and Canadians who understand how important this is do support an energy corridor across Canada meaning a pipeline to both the east coast and one to the west coast ports of Prince Rupert or Kitimat. That is the key to exporting our oil to Asia. Unfortunately Premier Eby has chosen to be non-committal on a pipeline to the BC north coast. Premier Eby has appointed the deputy Premier of BC, Nikki Sharma, to attend the Premiers meeting in his place today, June 2nd, and when she was asked about the proposed pipeline, she also was non-committal. This seems to indicate the BC NDP is going to stick to its old ideology of opposing the energy industry, opposing a pipeline to get Canada's energy resources to international markets. The BC NDP has a history of opposing the expansion of the Trans Mountain Pipeline, even though they lost in the courts. BC NDP is putting ideology ahead of making Canada an energy superpower. They are more of a hindrance to national unity and making Canada an economic superpower. Unfortunately the Premiers of BC and Quebec will not even give their tentative approval to a pipeline. Canadian energy: Tariff threat spurs Canada to rethink limits on oil pipelines Edited June 2 by blackbird Quote
herbie Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 (edited) There ARE pipelines all over BC liar. Alberta can already triple oil exports through TMX. No one's opposing connecting to or expanding existing LNG pipes. We rejected Northern Gateway oil, get over it. BC is not obligated to risk the Inside Passage for zero benefit out of 'obligation to' or demands from Danielle Smith and the oil companies. So f^ck off with your BS claims that either you or I would gain anything and maybe demand that Danielle STFU and get to negotiating other routes. The people say, not the oil barons. Edited June 2 by herbie 1 2 Quote
TreeBeard Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 5 hours ago, blackbird said: That is the key to exporting our oil to Asia. Oil exports out of Vancouver increased 500% after the federal government bought Alberta a pipeline. Where do you think this oil goes? 1 Quote
blackbird Posted June 2 Author Report Posted June 2 (edited) Alberta says they have the capacity to double their oil production and sales. That means they could potentially bring in tens of billions of dollars more for Alberta and Canada. Instead of shipping 90% of their oil to the U.S., Alberta could be shipping twice as much oil to Asian countries through B.C. The Trans Mountain pipeline is running at near capacity now. So if Alberta and Canada want to double production and sales to Asia, we definitely need another pipeline, such as the Northern Gateway pipeline. Alberta is pushing for it and it is hard to say what PM Carney will do about it. The federal government does have the power to get it built even if B.C. opposes it. They did it with the TMX expansion in spite of the opposition from the B.C. NDP government. The best port would be Kitimat or Prince Rupert on the B.C. north coast. Ottawa would have to revoke the tanker ban on the B.C. north coast, which is relatively easy to do. This would create jobs for thousands of people in the construction and bring in billions of dollars in revenue for the country. Edited June 3 by blackbird Quote
herbie Posted June 4 Report Posted June 4 On 6/2/2025 at 12:58 PM, TreeBeard said: Oil exports out of Vancouver increased 500% after the federal government bought Alberta a pipeline. and they could increase another 33% just by dredging the harbour. On 6/2/2025 at 4:02 PM, blackbird said: The best port would be Kitimat or Prince Rupert on the B.C. north coast We already said no to that. What part of NO is so hard for you to understand? You seem to wish the govt could just order it so, but the rest of us want to keep a democracy where WE tell the GOVT what to do, not vice versa. 1 Quote
August1991 Posted June 4 Report Posted June 4 Reduce CO2 emissions? Quebec should sell its electricity to Massachusetts - rather than waste the kilowatts at home for heating. Quote
eyeball Posted June 6 Report Posted June 6 On 6/2/2025 at 4:02 PM, blackbird said: Alberta says they have the capacity to double their oil production and sale. So what? Oil companies aren't even nibbling at the bit Alberta is gnawing on. They're not interested. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
blackbird Posted June 6 Author Report Posted June 6 (edited) 14 minutes ago, eyeball said: So what? Oil companies aren't even nibbling at the bit Alberta is gnawing on. They're not interested. 14 minutes ago, eyeball said: So what? Oil companies aren't even nibbling at the bit Alberta is gnawing on. They're not interested. The reason pipeline construction companies are not anxious to build in Canada because of the all the hurdles that make it almost impossible to build. There are so many roadblocks including the application process, studies, hearings, dealing with all the opposition groups such as environmentalists, and FN groups. Some provinces like Quebec and B.C. oppose pipelines and fight against them. The federal regulations, decarbonization regulations, caps, and carbon taxes also discourage companies from doing anything. If the federal government does not change the regulations and get rid of C69 and the tanker ban, there may be no new pipeline to the B.C. coast. Canada lost tens of billions of dollars in revenue and taxes under Trudeau's ban on pipelines. Not sure if Carney will change anything. Edited June 6 by blackbird Quote
Army Guy Posted June 6 Report Posted June 6 On 6/2/2025 at 4:30 PM, herbie said: There ARE pipelines all over BC liar. Alberta can already triple oil exports through TMX. No one's opposing connecting to or expanding existing LNG pipes. We rejected Northern Gateway oil, get over it. BC is not obligated to risk the Inside Passage for zero benefit out of 'obligation to' or demands from Danielle Smith and the oil companies. So f^ck off with your BS claims that either you or I would gain anything and maybe demand that Danielle STFU and get to negotiating other routes. The people say, not the oil barons. I thought these projects were to make CANADA a world class energy giant....BC submitted its projects and Alberta summitted theirs, why should one province veto one without consequences...Just a question how much natural gas does BC make ? hard to build a natural gas pipeline if you don't have any natural gas...Alberta could drive that natural gas east, to Quebec and the Atlantic provinces....Alberta does not care if we sell it to Europe or asia...BC on the other hand losses out on federal moneys and good paying jobs...But hey this is all about BC....F*ck Canada... So before you start giving anyone the finger, you should read the room...allowing Alberta to sell more fossil fuels globally makes all of us a little richer.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Aristides Posted June 6 Report Posted June 6 I'm pro pipeline and was pro TMX but have a problem with Northern Gateway. The sea route is down a long narrow winding fjord and lack of accessibility to the mountain route would make cleaning up a spill in winter next to impossible. 1 Quote
Aristides Posted June 6 Report Posted June 6 8 minutes ago, Army Guy said: I thought these projects were to make CANADA a world class energy giant....BC submitted its projects and Alberta summitted theirs, why should one province veto one without consequences...Just a question how much natural gas does BC make ? hard to build a natural gas pipeline if you don't have any natural gas...Alberta could drive that natural gas east, to Quebec and the Atlantic provinces....Alberta does not care if we sell it to Europe or asia...BC on the other hand losses out on federal moneys and good paying jobs...But hey this is all about BC....F*ck Canada... So before you start giving anyone the finger, you should read the room...allowing Alberta to sell more fossil fuels globally makes all of us a little richer.... BC natural gas reserves are estimated at over 600 trillion cubic feet. BC has several gas pipeline and a new one is under construction to a new LNG plant near Kitimat. Quote
Zeitgeist Posted June 6 Report Posted June 6 (edited) Without Alberta, Quebec culture will no longer be propped up in North America, because the transfer payments to Quebec from oil and gas sales will evaporate. BC will simply become a de facto retirement province of China, with most of the province off limits to non-Indigenous. Edited June 6 by Zeitgeist Quote
Aristides Posted June 6 Report Posted June 6 1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said: Without Alberta, Quebec culture will no longer be propped up in North America, because the transfer payments to Quebec from oil and gas sales will evaporate. BC will simply become a de facto retirement province of China. And Alberta will become a US state. Quote
Zeitgeist Posted June 6 Report Posted June 6 1 minute ago, Aristides said: And Alberta will become a US state. And then the prosperous provinces will either follow suit or be independent jurisdictions surrounded by a self-interested U.S. The U.S. shouldn’t think this is in their interests to make or let Canada unravel, because managing these economic and cultural regions and groups is very hard and expensive. It’s not worth it. Let Ottawa run it, but if Ottawa fails to keep this country strong and united… Quote
Aristides Posted June 6 Report Posted June 6 Is that what Alberta wants because I don't see a realistic alternative. Quote
Army Guy Posted June 6 Report Posted June 6 2 minutes ago, Aristides said: BC natural gas reserves are estimated at over 600 trillion cubic feet. BC has several gas pipeline and a new one is under construction to a new LNG plant near Kitimat. So why would BC tell Alberta to screw off with another pipeline if these projects were designed to get our energy to market, to make "Canada" an energy superpower. And if BC can veto any other provinces projects what is stopping other provinces from do the same....sounds like this energy corridor is a liberal pipe dream, when really it is every province for themselves... The only way this is going to work is with total cooperation across the board....that includes BC...like i said i'm sure Alberta would be fine with a pipeline running to Quebec and atlantic Canada....leaving BC with their own natural gas resources to manage...maybe the feds should be looking at provinces to invest in that do want to cooperate... Quote With the uncertainty surrounding Canada-U.S. trade relations, the federal government has recently invested new money in developing B.C.'s LNG industry, with Natural Resources Minister Jonathan Wilkinson saying "the need to build a resilient economy with new export opportunities for Canadian energy suppliers has never been clearer." https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/lng-canada-first-ship-1.7501046 OK so you have natural gas, how much of that was funded by federal tax dollars ? i ask be Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Zeitgeist Posted June 6 Report Posted June 6 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Aristides said: Is that what Alberta wants because I don't see a realistic alternative. Alberta’s interests would be overwhelmed by the interests of a U.S. federal government and other states if it joined the U.S. That’s the problem in general for any part of Canada joining the U.S. it’s not an equal partnership. The biggest losses would be cultural, but Canada has to get real about prosperity fast or cultural considerations will be the least of our worries. Edited June 6 by Zeitgeist Quote
Aristides Posted June 6 Report Posted June 6 (edited) 14 hours ago, Army Guy said: So why would BC tell Alberta to screw off with another pipeline if these projects were designed to get our energy to market, to make "Canada" an energy superpower. And if BC can veto any other provinces projects what is stopping other provinces from do the same....sounds like this energy corridor is a liberal pipe dream, when really it is every province for themselves... The only way this is going to work is with total cooperation across the board....that includes BC...like i said i'm sure Alberta would be fine with a pipeline running to Quebec and atlantic Canada....leaving BC with their own natural gas resources to manage...maybe the feds should be looking at provinces to invest in that do want to cooperate... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/lng-canada-first-ship-1.7501046 OK so you have natural gas, how much of that was funded by federal tax dollars ? i ask be Why are you shitting on BC, we already have pipelines to the coast while the east has done sweet FA. The existing Transmountain can transport 900,000 barrels of Alberta crude a day to the west coast. BC accepts almost all the environmental risk for little reward so at least they should have a goddamn say. Isn't that the excuse the east is using to block pipelines? Edited June 6 by Aristides Quote
herbie Posted June 6 Report Posted June 6 15 hours ago, Army Guy said: why should one province veto one without consequences Because it crosses it's territory, uses it's water and the people there don't want it, because it entails significant risk and only marginal benefits to that province. Simple enough to understand? Use what's there before demanding like a greedy money-grubbing pig, Danielle. Besides, you can use really simple logic like Rby says. No company is offering, they all pulled out of the last one and TRUDEAU built and paid for it. Is Alberta willing to cough up $30 billion of it's own money for a pipeline and build a port too? And put up with the blockades, protests and roadblocks along with every court challenge possible? Then go for it. Quote
Aristides Posted June 6 Report Posted June 6 (edited) 15 hours ago, Army Guy said: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/lng-canada-first-ship-1.7501046 OK so you have natural gas, how much of that was funded by federal tax dollars ? i ask be Quote LNG Canada was the first large-scale LNG export facility to announce a final investment decision in British Columbia. The project is a joint venture partnership between Shell, PETRONAS, PetroChina, Mitsubishi Corporation and KOGAS to build an export facility in Kitimat, British Columbia. Status: Final investment decision announced, preliminary construction activities underway. Connecting pipeline: Coastal GasLink Coastal GasLink Proposed projects Quote Kitimat LNG is a partnership between Chevron Canada Ltd. and Woodside Energy International (Canada) Ltd. to build an export facility in Bish Cove, near Kitimat, British Columbia. Status: Proposed, environmental assessment certificate issued. Connecting pipeline: Pacific Trail Pipeline Tilbury LNG FortisBC is expanding this facility to accommodate LNG demands. The Tilbury Pacific Marine Jetty is proposed to support export from the facility. Tilbury LNG has been in operation since 1971. It’s located on Tilbury Island in Delta, British Columbia. Status: Proposed - marine jetty expansion subject to review under the B.C. Environmental Assessment Act and the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act. Connecting pipeline: FortisBC pipeline infrastructure Woodfibre LNG Woodfibre LNG is a small-scale LNG proposal owned by Pacific Oil and Gas located in Squamish, British Columbia. Status: Proposed, environmental certification completed. Connecting pipeline: Eagle Mountain This was of Jan 2023. Construction is well underway for the LNG Canada project and pipeline. Quote https://natural-resources.canada.ca/energy-sources/fossil-fuels/canadian-liquified-natural-gas-projects Petronas is already considering expanding the LNG Canada project. While not investing directly, BC is offering considerable tax incentives to get these projects going. Edited June 6 by Aristides Quote
herbie Posted June 6 Report Posted June 6 Perhaps you loudmouths who've never even been to northern BC should fire up Google Earth and take a look before flapping your gums. Take a look at Kitimat. It isn't like the zero islands in the way to the open ocean like those scumbags at Engridge touted o their fakes TV ads and maps. Go ahead, trace a route to the open sea. Try not to cross the Inside Passage while you're at it. Then go down the coast and note in your thick heads there are no easy routes to ship oil. There's a decent one just north of Prince Rupert, but that's rez and there are no roads. Sp WTF you gonna do? Keep on with your if wished were horses jabber? Quote
Nefarious Banana Posted June 6 Report Posted June 6 Canada in its present form with a parasitic Quebec is un-governable. 'Canada West' (4 western provinces/Yukon and part of NWT) would be a viable country with all the food & fuel to make it happen. Eby's a clown . . . 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted June 6 Report Posted June 6 4 hours ago, Aristides said: Why are you shitting on BC, we already have pipelines to the coast while the east has done sweet FA. The existing Transmountain can transport 900,000 barrels of Alberta crude a day to the west coast. BC accepts almost all the environmental risk for little reward so at least they should have a goddamn say. Isn't that the excuse the east is using to block pipelines? I'm not shitting on BC, but responding to herbie the love bug...and the BC government in response to Alberta's inquiries...they are not interested in pipelines at this time, and yet they are building one themselves across the province...it makes no sense. I mean the entire idea here is to create a projects that will make "Canada"more prosperous...to create a energy corridor across the nation...how do you do that with out more pipelines...BC needs more pipelines or they would not be building one themselfs, so why not another bringing Alberta's oil and gas to market as well, is it just because it is Alberta....what about Sask could they build it? Just the asian market alone is a huge market for natural gas let alone other oil products why would we cut our noses off despite our faces... As for the East i take it you mean Quebec...well i think that is coming,Alberta wants pipelines going into churchill first, i personally think this is a waste of time , but it will open a northern port which we need....Quebec has already a taste for natural gas pipelines, and it seems that a majority of Quebecer's want it to...But they are in the same boat as BC, it may come down to driving oil pipelines through Quebec as a condition to get their natural Gas pipeline...right now the quickest project would be drive a line through BC. what BC gets is good paying jobs, and investments made to BC... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted June 6 Report Posted June 6 3 hours ago, herbie said: Because it crosses it's territory, uses it's water and the people there don't want it, because it entails significant risk and only marginal benefits to that province. Simple enough to understand? Use what's there before demanding like a greedy money-grubbing pig, Danielle. Besides, you can use really simple logic like Rby says. No company is offering, they all pulled out of the last one and TRUDEAU built and paid for it. Is Alberta willing to cough up $30 billion of it's own money for a pipeline and build a port too? And put up with the blockades, protests and roadblocks along with every court challenge possible? Then go for it. BC is already building pipelines across their own province...and don't sit there and tell me all those native lands that were crossed those people were not compensated for their troubles...this is all about you not liking smith....well lets not forget this federal project is about making an energy corridor across the nation...the whole nation not just up to the BC border...and while Carney did say he would not force anything on the provinces , eluding to quebec, it's hard to build anything if the provinces can't agree...just because they won't...the projects were suppose to align with the energy corridor... like BC pipeline getting BC Natural gas to the coast....hardly fair to do that then tell Alberta screw you we don't like you... And the last pipeline that got built, i suppose BC'er had nothing to do with stopping that, and i also suppose the feds did not invest tones of money to those that said no....which might explain it costing 30 plus billion... This entire liberal idea of making this corridor is a great idea, unfortunately it is but a pipe dream, this country is to divided to make it worth while....BC attitudes on pipelines is a prime example of this...this is not about BC vs Alberta, but rather getting Canada's resources to market, making it a energy superpower that was the dream...and it will always be a dream. 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted June 6 Report Posted June 6 3 hours ago, herbie said: Perhaps you loudmouths who've never even been to northern BC should fire up Google Earth and take a look before flapping your gums. Take a look at Kitimat. It isn't like the zero islands in the way to the open ocean like those scumbags at Engridge touted o their fakes TV ads and maps. Go ahead, trace a route to the open sea. Try not to cross the Inside Passage while you're at it. Then go down the coast and note in your thick heads there are no easy routes to ship oil. There's a decent one just north of Prince Rupert, but that's rez and there are no roads. Sp WTF you gonna do? Keep on with your if wished were horses jabber? It would seem that thousands of ships make that journey every year, are you telling us it can not be done...you guys have GPS right....You guys got more excuses than carter has pills, from fish to whales, now to many islands in the way...i wonder how that part of the country even gets around....or maybe you guys cant drive a boat...NFLD's are great sailors they got no problem navigating ocean waters, they could teach you guys how to drive if you want... and now your saying you guys can't make a road...funny large amounts of money solves almost any problem...while the NFLD's are there they could teach you how to build roads as well... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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